Having been told by many members not to fit a dump valve, I am looking to fit a big induction kit, have any of wonderful people done likewise and what make/model works best............2001 v70 t5 p2. many thanks steve
Replacement panel filter is best, easiest and cheapest. I ran over 340bhp with the stock box on an ME7 engine. I prefer the ITG but K&N panels are available - straight swap for paper. Cones can upset/killing MAF sensors - but there is also the need for comprehensive sheilding to prevent hot engine air being inducted.
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave]Replacement panel filter is best, easiest and cheapest. I ran over 340bhp with the stock box on an ME7 engine. I prefer the ITG but K&N panels are available - straight swap for paper. Cones can upset/killing MAF sensors - but there is also the need for comprehensive sheilding to prevent hot engine air being inducted.[/QUOTE] Agree with Dave. Induction kits aren't the best.
[QUOTE=Andy]Agree with Dave. Induction kits aren't the best.[/QUOTE] Cold Air Intakes are better than any other option.
many thanks for your input steve
Hi Check out my site for my induction kit, lol - attempted twice to shield it in this configuration, but may go to a BMC/Pipercross Viper if one crops up on Fleabay. Chris
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]Cold Air Intakes are better than any other option.[/QUOTE] Indeed. The stock airbox is a cold air intake which is why it's quite difficult to improve on. Adam.
[QUOTE=volvotuning]Indeed. The stock airbox is a cold air intake which is why it's quite difficult to improve on. Adam.[/QUOTE] Agreed, I just got addicted to the noise !! and my old airbox is too hacked up to put back, lol ! :riceboy: Chris
induction kit is better than a standard box, the whole point of it is to allow more cold air into the engine, just changing the panel filter will still giv a small restriction as its still in the standard box,you can get cheaper induction kits ,depends how much you want to spend,its proven that panel filter only giv a small percent increase in power as opposed to an induction kit which givs a few horses or so more, im sure on race cars etc that run with power they dont have a standard filter set up,so it must be better,anyway the choice is yours as they say, im sure you will get various options from people who have tried both so its really up to how much you want to spend & what you actually want,
hi, my itg filter is fine with no problems in std air box. Allthough i have improved the intake route from the grille by taking off the vertical part of it next too the grille so getting max air ram effect on my s60.
[QUOTE=volvotuning]Indeed. The stock airbox is a cold air intake which is why it's quite difficult to improve on. Adam.[/QUOTE] I disagree with you on this one Adam, imo its quite easy to improve on the stock intake.
im sure it does work fine, im not disputing that, as i said it depends how much he wants to spend, each option wld be for the individual to decide, thankfully we are not all the same & dont have to have the same, personally working with race cars it makes a difrence, a standard box set-up wouldnt benefit the vehicles we race, basically he has a choice
The T5 is not a race car though. I ran 340 bhp with the standard box and it is not restrictive - so I dont know where T5 Stealth got that idea from??
t5 stealth didnt get any idea, just experience & my opinion,thats wot he asked for, you got your own opinion, thats your choice,,as i said, he has a choice , personally i think the standard box can be improved on as blackbeast said, sorry if it offends you
Doesnt offend me mate. I just think y're wrong.
Standard air box and paper element is not restrictive; t5 stealth did not despute this; imo he was thinking toward the cold air aspect. I know a 310bhp (now 350 I think!) T4 that ran a standard box and paper filter, just to prove it is not a restriction. Only benefit, if done properly, is to get loads of fresh air to the filter. This is not always practicable. I know in my circumstance, that intake temps reach high temps in traffic, but once on the move they reach outside air temps very quickly - I measured this with temp probes that updated every second. Fun to try out though ! Chris
I think the best way to improve on the standard airbox is to get more volume of air to it by using a greater cross-sectional area of a hose, it has been covered already in the past. I can remember the hose eas fatter and it came out by the bottom (nearside) of the front lower bumper. A vented bonnet may be another option with a pipe connecting the airbox to the vent, but you run the risk of forcing rain into the airbox at higher speeds.
Check this out.... http://www.quickbrickmotorsports.com/tech_diycai.html I'm thinking of replacing my drilled out airbox with a standard one, in order to reduce heatsoak. I will then look at 'plumbing in' a couple of extra cold air feeds... :)
i thought about fitting my induction kit between the inner and outter wing above the the wheel arch liner and cutting a hole in my outter wing so the chrome end just pokes out and running cold air duct piping to it that way there should be no heating problems just cold air intake all the time
im not botherd that you think im wrong dave, im not getting into petty arguements over such a stupid subject, lets face it either way the benefits of either option are so small that just doing 1 or the other isnt even noticeable wen driving,, you wont even know if 5 or 7 horses are there or not, if you think im wrong then fine,,your choice, not a problem
i even thought about moving the horns and mounting the induction kit in the front behind the bonnet then guaranteed cold air flow
i think if you fit the induction intake in front of the radiater you may have problems with air restriction to the radiater,thus causing possible overheating problems,im not even going to go down that road with that as im sure you will get some other comments on that idea,
bit of a problem sending then it sent loads, didnt mean to repeat myself haha
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]bit of a problem sending then it sent loads, didnt mean to repeat myself haha[/QUOTE] my pc did that on the wanted abs ecu thread god knows why think it is just being a b.o.s
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]i think if you fit the induction intake in front of the radiater you may have problems with air restriction to the radiater,thus causing possible overheating problems,im not even going to go down that road with that as im sure you will get some other comments on that idea,[/QUOTE] mate i am open to all comments and never take anything to heart i welcome all opinions as there is much knowledge to be learnt at points,What do you think about fitting it between the inner and outer wing post i put up??? as said open to suggestions and opinions
[QUOTE=T5ER]mate i am open to all comments and never take anything to heart i welcome all opinions as there is much knowledge to be learnt at points,What do you think about fitting it between the inner and outer wing post i put up??? as said open to suggestions and opinions[/QUOTE] I'd go for that, lol ! Be sure to rust proof everything ! Chris
[QUOTE=SaffronC70]I'd go for that, lol ! Be sure to rust proof everything ! Chris[/QUOTE] it was just a thought that i had after seeing it done on a mitsubishi eclipse
Or for ease and a standard/invisible look, just put the pipe to the side of the foglight.
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]I disagree with you on this one Adam, imo its quite easy to improve on the stock intake.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I supposed at the end of the day it depends on what we mean by the words "easy" and "improve", in terms of cost for net gain without causing any potential problems. Adam.
Potential problems meaning MAF sensors, as long as you dont connect the filter/box straight up to the MAF then theres no problem. Another reason why they fail is due to the oil'd filter. But you already know all that.
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]Potential problems meaning MAF sensors, as long as you dont connect the filter/box straight up to the MAF then theres no problem. Another reason why they fail is due to the oil'd filter. But you already know all that.[/QUOTE] Water intake is another potential problem to factor into the equation. Adam.
cheap water injection, lol. Chris
[QUOTE=SaffronC70]cheap water injection, lol. Chris[/QUOTE] Never thought of it that way!!! lol :troutslap Adam.
Is it not possible to do a comparison on the rollers, to settle this one for good?.
is it really worth all the effort just to see 4 horse power difrence, all the time & effort & fuel, im amazed at how a simple question has blown all out of proportion, its been amusing tho,
Not read the full thread but you wont get 4bhp from adding an induction kit, tried both on a 350bhp T5 many times, very cold days induction kit showed an improvment in performance (and sounds excellent) on normal temps and on hot days showed no improvements at all and in some cases when switching back the car felt easily quicker, considering lost the noise when went back to the box it was obviously the better option. The induction kit also caused engine management warning lights on 4 or 5 occasions so wasnt a permanent solution, in summary it was fun on occasions and made a great noise, but in general conditions no quicker, used more fuel and caused running problems. Just my experience.
Personaly I prefer the standard setup with a decent airfilter. I, like others I imagine, am just fed up with all the bickering over which is best. I just thought that it would be nice to know once and for all, besides I don't want to miss out on some bhp!.
induction kit only givs a few hp mor (averidge 7hp) i dont think anyone would even know if they had 7hp more as it wouldnt make much difrence to the feel of the car, as i said b4,,each to there own, i personally hav got a k&n induction kit on my 850 & i havnt had any problems with it,dont know if it goes better or not,like i said it may only giv a small hp more,& as after-shock said about management lights, i havnt had any lights or problems with mine, i fitted it & then forgot it, any turbo charged car will have a noticeable feel of power on cold or damp mornings as the air is dense,thus giving slightly greater power as it gets more air into a cylinder wen air is cold,& it wont matter if its got induction kit or a standard filter,,aslong as its getting cold air
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]it wont matter if its got induction kit or a standard filter,,aslong as its getting cold air[/QUOTE] :Handshake
I think anything pre ME7 wont have running problems with induction kits but mine was very fussy and definately was over fuelling for a while before the light came on as could smell the unburnt petrol coming out of the exhaust.
i know some cars,,not just volvo do have problems after fitting induction kits as it confuses the system as it suddenly has more air passing the sensor, sometimes it confuses the management which then trys to compensate for the extra air & trys to alter the electronics,ie adds more or less fuel etc etc i guess iv been lucky
i still like the idea of fitting one and poss putting it between the inner and outer wings and cutting a hole in the outer wing but thats just my personal preference,plus it will be a fair way away from the maf sensor so should not have any probs and also will put a drain hole in the pipe just incase it does decide to take in any water it will drain out before it gets to far
that sounds harsh cutting a hole in your wing, are you sure hahaha i dont think i could do that to mine,i would cry if you put a hole in the pipe to drain water it will actually suck in air through the hole & it will also defeat the object of having any filter as particles of dirt etc will be sucked into the intake after the filter,
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]that sounds harsh cutting a hole in your wing, are you sure hahaha i dont think i could do that to mine,i would cry if you put a hole in the pipe to drain water it will actually suck in air through the hole & it will also defeat the object of having any filter as particles of dirt etc will be sucked into the intake after the filter,[/QUOTE] i know thats whats stopping me from doing it at the mo as for the drain tube was going to use one tht has two flappy tappered things on the end so it does not intake owt but lets water drain out if you know what i mean
yeah i know wot u meen,good idea if u can get the correct item, acts like a one way valve :biggrin:
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]yeah i know wot u meen,good idea if u can get the correct item, acts like a one way valve :biggrin:[/QUOTE] thats the one,my thought was inspired by one of my fave films fast and furious if you remember the green eclipse at the start he has the induction kit just sticking out of the back quarter hence me thinking about doing at the front ,Also see a mk3 golf VR6 with just pokeing out the front wing
but can you cut a hole in your wing hahahaha:troutslap
[QUOTE=t5 stealth]but can you cut a hole in your wing hahahaha:troutslap[/QUOTE] i really dont know mate if i had another wing in the same colour than yes deffo could but i aint so dont know
any body got a nearside/passenger front wing in olive green who would like to donate it to me to try my theory on this induction system thingy i am thinking of doing as i really dont want to hack my own wing to bits
It's funny u lot r all discussin this subject cos havin recently bought n fitted an ITG panel filter it got me thinkin why cant I get an induction kit to work? I'm planning on venting my bonnet to... a) help release hot air from the back of the bay and b) hopefully increase ALL air flow thru the bay, if it worked on cossies (4x4's) then Im sure the T5 will benefit. I then wanna experiment with all sorts of induction methods, inc those mentioned here (i.e holes in bonnets, wings etc) hey, if u don't try u don't know! When my car eventually gets on the rollers @ VTUK I would like to think the gains r notable BUT more importantly drivin the car will feel different, well that's the plan anyway. I may call in the help of some tuning guru's I know to help me in my quest for owning the most powerful T5 in the SW :dgrin: Incidentally what is the most powerful 850 T5 that currently exists in the UK, anyone know?
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]It's funny u lot r all discussin this subject cos havin recently bought n fitted an ITG panel filter it got me thinkin why cant I get an induction kit to work? I'm planning on venting my bonnet to... a) help release hot air from the back of the bay and b) hopefully increase ALL air flow thru the bay, if it worked on cossies (4x4's) then Im sure the T5 will benefit. I then wanna experiment with all sorts of induction methods, inc those mentioned here (i.e holes in bonnets, wings etc) hey, if u don't try u don't know! When my car eventually gets on the rollers @ VTUK I would like to think the gains r notable BUT more importantly drivin the car will feel different, well that's the plan anyway. I may call in the help of some tuning guru's I know to help me in my quest for owning the most powerful T5 in the SW :dgrin: Incidentally what is the most powerful 850 T5 that currently exists in the UK, anyone know?[/QUOTE] shame you cant get the rear lift hinge kits like the cossies and rs`s had if you know what i mean
i think there is a guy down this way with a 500 bhp 850(so iv heard) i understand wot ur saying about the vents etc on the bonnet, i done same thing on my capri,opened the front up for max air in & 2 vents at the back of the bonnet to let hot air out, havnt tryed it yet as its still under restoration
[QUOTE=T5ER]shame you cant get the rear lift hinge kits like the cossies and rs`s had if you know what i mean[/QUOTE] You can vent your bonnet slightly by removing the top bonnet seal. Then if you want to go further, cut away the vertical plastic piece that the seal sits on. Hot day in traffic you can see the heat haze rolling up the windscreen... Also remove the sound proofing. That's got to be a type of insulation you don't need..
Also all you need is longer bolts and some spacers to create a rear bonnet lift.. i can adjust my bonnet pins if I want to let out more heat if required
Yeah seems odd that such a simple thing hasn't been used on any T5, after all Ford realised it's benefits way back when the 4x4 Saph was born:confused: As for the most powerful T5, I'm really genuinely interested in finding out cos I'm gunning for UK domination in this ere T5 power battle, if one even exists?...muhahahahahahaha:sinner: ...LOL! Word o warning gentle folk, I don't do anything by halves :cuckoo: That's very helpful, cheers JNINJA
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]Yeah seems odd that such a simple thing hasn't been used on any T5, after all Ford realised it's benefits way back when the 4x4 Saph was born:confused: As for the most powerful T5, I'm really genuinely interested in finding out cos I'm gunning for UK domination in this ere T5 power battle, if one even exists?...muhahahahahahaha:sinner: ...LOL! Word o warning gentle folk, I don't do anything by halves :cuckoo: That's very helpful, cheers JNINJA[/QUOTE] some great ideas coming around now Judge will have to have a butchers at yours at wobbly`s bbq
Power or speed...? You'd struggle to chase a BTCC 2.0L N/A round a track and they have only got 300bhp. Power wise - I was told by my local main dealer thay have a customer currently running 400+BHP out of his V70. But that could be just gossip...
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA]Power or speed...? You'd struggle to chase a BTCC 2.0L N/A round a track and they have only got 300bhp. Power wise - I was told by my local main dealer thay have a customer currently running 400+BHP out of his V70. But that could be just gossip...[/QUOTE] flywheel or wheels ? sometimes to much power is not good :saythat: that did not come out as i wanted it to i meant that the strain it puts on the drive shafts and cv joints cant be good unless you uprate them
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA]Power or speed...? You'd struggle to chase a BTCC 2.0L N/A round a track and they have only got 300bhp. Power wise - I was told by my local main dealer thay have a customer currently running 400+BHP out of his V70. But that could be just gossip...[/QUOTE] plus the btcc cars had full backing and better gear boxes i would prefer speed to power i.e a car with 300 bhp and a good box to get the best from those 300 horses if that makes any sense.Think i have had to many vodka and cokes again LOL:cuckoo:
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA]Power or speed...? You'd struggle to chase a BTCC 2.0L N/A round a track and they have only got 300bhp. Power wise - I was told by my local main dealer thay have a customer currently running 400+BHP out of his V70. But that could be just gossip...[/QUOTE] Im talkin POWER mate:biggrin: That's exactly what I'm talkin about mate, it all seems to be gossip, that's neh good enough for me:troutslap For example, if I wanna find the most powerful Escy cos in the land say, all I need do is pick up a copy of Perf Ford and check the listings, is it still Martin Hadland's Reyland rebuild incidentally?...Sorry I digress, what is the most powerful 850 T5 saloon or estate in the UK, if not just out of interest it really might give me summit to aim for...no I'm serious, don't laff:)
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]Im talkin POWER mate:biggrin: That's exactly what I'm talkin about mate, it all seems to be gossip, that's neh good enough for me:troutslap For example, if I wanna find the most powerful Escy cos in the land say, all I need do is pick up a copy of Perf Ford and check the listings, is it still Martin Hadland's Reyland rebuild incidentally?...Sorry I digress, what is the most powerful 850 T5 saloon or estate in the UK, if not just out of interest it really might give me summit to aim for...no I'm serious, don't laff:)[/QUOTE] if you have deep deep pockets i guess the skys the limits i mean i have been on top secrets website and have seen some of there cars on videos they are a jap tuning company in japan and take the humble nissan skyline and supra from 280 bhp to 1200 bhp at a cost of course so the sky is i guess not the limit just your bank balance
[QUOTE=T5ER]plus the btcc cars had full backing and better gear boxes i would prefer speed to power i.e a car with 300 bhp and a good box to get the best from those 300 horses if that makes any sense.Think i have had to many vodka and cokes again LOL:cuckoo:[/QUOTE] Your dead right there mate it's a very fair point but I love excess POWER, surely there r uprated items 2 b had out there to help handle 400+Bhp???
Before wobbly's C70 went flying that was running about 340bhp (can't remember wheels or flywheel) so that could be that first one to beat. I'm probably only going for a 300bhp upgrade, but I want my car to go round a track as if it is on rails
[QUOTE=T5ER]if you have deep deep pockets i guess the skys the limits i mean i have been on top secrets website and have seen some of there cars on videos they are a jap tuning company in japan and take the humble nissan skyline and supra from 280 bhp to 1200 bhp at a cost of course so the sky is i guess not the limit just your bank balance[/QUOTE] Ok mate, thanx for ur input on this one. I'm no "Onassis" but all I can say is watch this space:mischievo ...all I need is a little Volvotuning scene guidance n support and some time, this could get very interesting...:wink:
As the Pirelli advert always said 'Power is nothing without control'! If your just after power figures then just buy a maaaahhhhooooosive turbo. I think a well tuned 300bhp T5 with all the suspension uprated would be faster than a 400bhp T5 even in day to day driving.
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA]Before wobbly's C70 went flying that was running about 340bhp (can't remember wheels or flywheel) so that could be that first one to beat. I'm probably only going for a 300bhp upgrade, but I want my car to go round a track as if it is on rails[/QUOTE] I fully appreciate u know ur stuff mate thanx for ur posts here tonight (great Brunters vid BTW:) ) I just wanna try n break Volvo moulds, don't know why just call me a "silly, silly misguided stumbled on these 'ere T5's by accident" petrolhead...LOL! All running gear taken into account, surely 340 is still child's play for the 2.3 T5 lump???? U r not wrong tho traction may b a worrying issue...hhhmmmmmm
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]As the Pirelli advert always said 'Power is nothing without control'! If your just after power figures then just buy a maaaahhhhooooosive turbo. I think a well tuned 300bhp T5 with all the suspension uprated would be faster than a 400bhp T5 even in day to day driving.[/QUOTE] Just imagine if that 400+Bhp could be harnessed tho:thewave:
Just being nosey but whats your budget for the total finished article? If your doing it properly i would think you'd need at least £7k.
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]Just imagine if that 400+Bhp could be harnessed tho:thewave:[/QUOTE] That's called progression .... keep thinking out of the box and we'll end up with a 1000bhp Volvo one day....:mischievo ... Complet engine modification from inside/out will be required....
Here in the states, 93 octane petrol is the highest grade fuel commonly available. Big horsepower can be elusive without better fuel. Correct me if I'm I'm wrong - higher grades of fuel are readily available where you are - ? I'm thinking 100 octane or better? If you aren't familiar with everything on this list, it would be a good place to start. Propane injection. water / alcohol injection. Megasquirt http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html Slater's cam gear timing wheel http://www.quickbrickmotorsports.com/ Nitrous
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]Your dead right there mate it's a very fair point but I love excess POWER, surely there r uprated items 2 b had out there to help handle 400+Bhp???[/QUOTE] here you go T5SLAVE just something for you to chew over http://www.topsecretjpn.com/home.shtml
[QUOTE=T5ER]here you go T5SLAVE just something for you to chew over http://www.topsecretjpn.com/home.shtml[/QUOTE] Your right on the money there my man but how great would it be if a Volvo or Volvo's could compete in amongst that lot...well maybe not quite 1000+Bhp eh;) Black beast, I have no idea of budget, I just wanna find someone who I can talk to first about seriously playin with my beast...ehem:) I think that'll be Hamish again @ VTUK, once (like I have said b4) I have the car basically good n ready for ANY power hikes, i.e top spec brakes, poly bushed n uprated sus inc TCA's etc etc. Almost every other car I've owned has usually turned into a money pit of hobby/obsession, so why not my T5 eh???
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]Your right on the money there my man but how great would it be if a Volvo or Volvo's could compete in amongst that lot...well maybe not quite 1000+Bhp eh;) Black beast, I have no idea of budget, I just wanna find someone who I can talk to first about seriously playin with my beast...ehem:) I think that'll be Hamish again @ VTUK, once (like I have said b4) I have the car basically good n ready for ANY power hikes, i.e top spec brakes, poly bushed n uprated sus inc TCA's etc etc. Almost every other car I've owned has usually turned into a money pit of hobby/obsession, so why not my T5 eh???[/QUOTE] if it can be done to those cars mate why cant it be done to a VOLVO basically a engine is a engine
[QUOTE=T5ER]if it can be done to those cars mate why cant it be done to a VOLVO basically a engine is a engine[/QUOTE] That's the best post I've seen on here for ages mate, we need to clash brains and create a super T5 in unison...LOL!
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]That's the best post I've seen on here for ages mate, we need to clash brains and create a super T5 in unison...LOL![/QUOTE] very true i have some very rough ideas and know were to get oversized pistons and so on so why not bore out the 2.3 to a 2.6 uprate turbo with a foooooooooking big one on custom manifold and stand alone ecu but remapped to suit mods i think you would need to bee looking at a 2.5 inch to 3 inch out let for the exhaust down pipe to turbo exit so gasses get out quicker.I think we need to speak to top secret to be honest can you speak japanese
[QUOTE=T5ER]very true i have some very rough ideas and know were to get oversized pistons and so on so why not bore out the 2.3 to a 2.6 uprate turbo with a foooooooooking big one on custom manifold and stand alone ecu but remapped to suit mods i think you would need to bee looking at a 2.5 inch to 3 inch out let for the exhaust down pipe to turbo exit so gasses get out quicker.I think we need to speak to top secret to be honest can you speak japanese[/QUOTE] Sheesh mate, hold up! I don't need to speak Japanese as it sounds like u've been thinkin about this ere T5 uprating business long enough to know what's what:) Has a T5 ever been overbored to 2.6, are the parts readily available...the States I spose???
To stick my oar in I have just bought a BSR induction kit. It's a custom designded for the 850 (they do V70 as well) and it has made a real differance to the power. It has a baffle to protect it from the heat of the engine and still take the cold feed pipe from the front of the car. Also makes a great noise. I would buy one of those but if you don't fancy the expense I have my old K&N replacement pannel filter for sale. Only done 6K miles and it has a million mile warranty so should be good for a while yet :biggrin: £20 inc P&P. Give us a PM anyone is interested.
[QUOTE=Straker]To stick my oar in I have just bought a BSR induction kit. It's a custom designded for the 850 (they do V70 as well) and it has made a real differance to the power. It has a baffle to protect it from the heat of the engine and still take the cold feed pipe from the front of the car. Also makes a great noise.[/QUOTE] ive seen it and it looks the nutzzzz.... cheers jod
Indeed you have to be spot on with the shielding to have a chance of getting any benefit (other than noise) from the cone.
I stuck some water pipe lagging around my BSR heatsheild to give it a good seal onto the bonnet - every little helps . . . Chris
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave]Indeed you have to be spot on with the shielding to have a chance of getting any benefit (other than noise) from the cone.[/QUOTE] I agree partially with you WD. Any induction kit dramatically reduces the restriction on the engine since although the standard air filter eliminates all hot air it is still sucking all the air through a relativaly tiny hole in front of the radiator. All the pipework also adds restrictions so as with everything it's all a trade off. Think about it would you rather run the London marathon sucking the air through a straw or a toilet roll tube. personally neither but principal is the same. As I said mine works well and there is a definate improvement over standard box with K&N filter. Plus the noise :B_steerin By the way cheers jod!:biggrin:
Guys After all this talk I got the good old electrical tape out and made a heat shield out of some £1.20 perspex tube from Fleabay ! Still noisy and still goes well; boosts a little harder due to the colder air (as predictable) getting 1.2-3 bar holding now . . . interesting. We'll see if fuel economy is affected and/or if the engine blows up, lol. :santawave Chris
Good work safron, that's doesn't look half bad.:Handshake
Yeah I saw it yesterday and it's quite neat :) A good way to go IMHO.
Looks good m8 but I would be very careful, if you restrict the airflow too much you will be making the car run lean. If running too lean it could damage the engine. I just don't want you to have a costly rerpair bill thats all.
Thanks for the advice. In fact, the intake reduces down to 65mm after MAF (which is approx 85mm). The filter feed is 100mm, larger than the standard air box feed. It's bodged properly ! Chris
I really like what u've done there Chris, u have clearly thought about what u wanted to achieve and it's a very tidy/purposeful set-up...my only concern would be that maybe it's TOO good a job, as it seems to be not far off a boxed air-filter situation again, albeit more direct...is that the secret? Isn't the idea of having an open cone about getting totally unrestricted cold air to the filter?...but what the hell do I know, if u have performance figures to prove otherwise then that's what counts:wink: I am gonna remove my ITG panel and fit a BSR induction kit soon, as I still believe like yourself that the open cone is the way forward:B_steerin ...my hope is that by using a vented bonnet and well placed cold air ducting it would work fine with the simple engine heat baffle supplied? I have a suspicion u know otherwise tho, hence your setup?...trial and muchos muchos error here I come:) Would I also be right in assuming u have a good "car modding" relationship with Mr Williams? If yes, then 4get all of what I have said above as I'm sure the changes u have made have been in consultation with him and therefore are obviously good, proper n work blindingly:)
[quote=SaffronC70]Thanks for the advice. It's bodged properly ! Chris[/quote] COWBOY!.......................:bullwhip:
[QUOTE=Waxworks]Looks good m8 but I would be very careful, if you restrict the airflow too much you will be making the car run lean. If running too lean it could damage the engine. I just don't want you to have a costly rerpair bill thats all.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't worry about the running lean business that is what the MAF is for the ecu will compensate. Buy a BSR induction kit because of the noise :B_steerin
[QUOTE=T5SLAVE]I really like what u've done there Chris, u have clearly thought about what u wanted to achieve and it's a very tidy/purposeful set-up...my only concern would be that maybe it's TOO good a job, as it seems to be not far off a boxed air-filter situation again, albeit more direct...is that the secret? Isn't the idea of having an open cone about getting totally unrestricted cold air to the filter?...but what the hell do I know, if u have performance figures to prove otherwise then that's what counts:wink: I am gonna remove my ITG panel and fit a BSR induction kit soon, as I still believe like yourself that the open cone is the way forward:B_steerin ...my hope is that by using a vented bonnet and well placed cold air ducting it would work fine with the simple engine heat baffle supplied? I have a suspicion u know otherwise tho, hence your setup?...trial and muchos muchos error here I come:) Would I also be right in assuming u have a good "car modding" relationship with Mr Williams? If yes, then 4get all of what I have said above as I'm sure the changes u have made have been in consultation with him and therefore are obviously good, proper n work blindingly:)[/QUOTE] All my own work ! I had a BSR, if you look on my site, you can see how I improved it. The cone isn't 100% sealed, but I have put a 100m feed to it as best I could. On an S/V70 you can take a feed from the bumper, as said before, but not on a C70 :( I would suggest you extend the front of the MAF by at least a few inches to help airflow past the MAF, so it can pick up a decent even reading. Something like a subwoofer port would be ideal ! Mr SW has done a few top jobs for me but nothing major . . . yet ! Chris :B_steerin
Ahha I see... I see the filter u r running now isn't the BSR item mate, it's bigger n not blue, what is it pls?
It's just a universal Quickshift item; made of stainless steel. Chris
Looks like the debate is getting a bit heated here chaps. Anyway whatever you decide I have a K&N replacement filter for sale for £20 as I have just bought an induction kit. Give us a PM if you are interested. Cheers
I said it once and I'll say it again - unless you want more of an induction roar/noise there is no advantage to fitting a cone. Trust me when I say that it has been tried and tested. The stock air box is not restrictive.
Can I just add, We drive VOLVO's, that we use to get to work and back each day, we dont own track monsters (well most of us dont) that need every inch of power squeezed out to get 0.1 of a second faster round the track! It all seems very out of proportion to me. x
Very true ! but it keeps me occupied. Chris
[QUOTE=Mrsmopp]Can I just add, We drive VOLVO's, that we use to get to work and back each day, we dont own track monsters (well most of us dont) that need every inch of power squeezed out to get 0.1 of a second faster round the track! It all seems very out of proportion to me. x[/QUOTE] Tenth of a second is ages!!! Didnt you see Fifth Gear? BMW charge an extra £18k for that tenth! It only costs us a maximum of £150 :haha: On a serious note, taking your point further mopsy, whats the point in all of us getting a rica ecu, custom maps, poly bushes, suspension modifications and the rest of the performance modifications?
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]Tenth of a second is ages!!! Didnt you see Fifth Gear? BMW charge an extra £18k for that tenth! It only costs us a maximum of £150 :haha: On a serious note, taking your point further mopsy, whats the point in all of us getting a rica ecu, custom maps, poly bushes, suspension modifications and the rest of the performance modifications?[/QUOTE] The point of an ecu upgrade, for me, is it make the T5 a much better animal to drive, stops that whole "suffocated" feeling you get with a standard T5 and makes my day to day life on the road a whole heap better. However, we are talking about improvements of 50+bhp not 2 or 3 that you are getting from "air induction" I use an ITG filter as it comes with the ECU package, simple as. Poly bushes I dont use - they dont add bhp anyway. Suspension mods, again, make the car a better drive, cornering is now possible and twisties can be a less worrying place to be! All the above is completely out of contaxt tho to the 2 or 3bhp you are all desperate to get from a cone filter tho - lets put it into perspective boys!! LOL x
Cone filters give BETTER NOISES :)
I agree with Ali - if you want the louder induction noise then you can get that from the cone. HOWEVER.... A properly shielded cone filter will not free up any horsepower vs the replacement panel filter e.g. ITG - in the standard box. Trust me when I say it has been scientifically tested and proven. No tenths - no extra BHP - not a sausage. So the question is which is less hassle/costly to do vs which one do you like to see under yer bonnet (and hear?).
[QUOTE=Mrsmopp] All the above is completely out of contaxt tho to the 2 or 3bhp you are all desperate to get from a cone filter tho [/QUOTE] Cant speak for anyone else but im not interested in the 2 or 3bhp, i want the intake/charge temps lower. If that brings 2bhp, so be it :kiss:
[QUOTE=BlackBeast]Cant speak for anyone else but im not interested in the 2 or 3bhp, i want the intake/charge temps lower. If that brings 2bhp, so be it :kiss:[/QUOTE] And why do you need the charge temps to be a few degrees lower? x
[quote=BlackBeast]Cant speak for anyone else but im not interested in the 2 or 3bhp, i want the intake/charge temps lower. If that brings 2bhp, so be it :kiss:[/quote] But it wont. not over the stock box And it will have no effect on lowering the charge temps either.
Interesting subject this one, first pick is current V8 BMW F1 engine the oblong silver thing on top is the airfilter might be cotton or foam as both are used ITG on Renault, BMC on Cosworth etc. second pick and sales blurb speaks for itself. Link is for a Proto V8 F1 engine running a mock race lap, check out those manifolds and no its not a turbo lol. [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]"When testing these systems, gains of 13.8 bhp were measured for a Honda Civic Type R, and the Renault Clio 182 gets a 11 bhp boost. Not bad! Expect to shell out close to £500, but once installed, you've got one of the most efficient air intakes on the market. If only the best is good enough, it's worth it, no?"[/SIZE][/FONT] http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/12/renault-f1-engine-test/
hehe, that's be the box for the throttle body trumpets on the BMW engine - lovely ! Engineer, do you reckon that wider inlet pipes lower pressure differentials a bit ? Bit like sucking a drink through a small straw then sucking through one twice as big ? Going a bit off topic now, just wondering. Being a turbo car, air is "pumped through", whereas a normall aspirated draws air in . . . I'm blabbing on now, topic for the next meet I think. Chris
Your a student Chris so check out this guy, Boyle, he's got a few idea's regarding gasses even wrote his own law lol. You kids want it all on a plate lol. :haha: :wink:
[QUOTE=Engineer]Your a student Chris so check out this guy, Boyle, he's got a few idea's regarding gasses even wrote his own law lol. You kids want it all on a plate lol. :haha: :wink:[/QUOTE] lol ! I get my silly NVQ3 signed off on Friday, thank goodness, then I need to complete a HNC project. Look it up for me ? :haha: Chris
[quote=SaffronC70]lol ! I get my silly NVQ3 signed off on Friday, thank goodness, then I need to complete a HNC project. Look it up for me ? :haha: Chris[/quote] Well done mate lots of work behind you, degree next?
Possibly the HND, but we'll see how it goes. Chris
[QUOTE=Al115]Cone filters give BETTER NOISES :)[/QUOTE] Bring the noise! I'm with Ali :rice: