Clicking when pulling away - What's needed?
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Post 116273 by rgracin on 2006-06-15 09:25:09
I've done a search, but couldn't find anything conclusive.
My P2 V70 T5 is clicking from the front when pulling away.
Do I need a new CV joint? or new CV joint and Drive shaft? I need the car off the road for as little time as possible, so want to get the parts in advance.
Towing a caravan to France in the July, so reckon i should get it sorted beforehand.
Post 116276 by Wobbly Dave on 2006-06-15 09:38:14
Defo sounds CV joint related. Suggest jacking the car and moving the road wheel back and forth. Find the noise
You havent been sticking playing cards to your calipers?? LOL :haha:
Post 116278 by Phuturephantasy on 2006-06-15 09:38:55
There are a number of possible things that could be causing this and I would have to suggest that you take it to a garage who can actually pinpoint the exact problem as you would probably end up replacing several parts before you found the precise cause of the 'clicking'.
Post 116287 by rgracin on 2006-06-15 10:01:08
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave]Defo sounds CV joint related. Suggest jacking the car and moving the road wheel back and forth. Find the noise
You havent been sticking playing cards to your calipers?? LOL :haha:[/QUOTE]
You could be right you know. Trouble is, at about 80mph the damn pegs fly off!!
Post 116475 by JASON 60SE on 2006-06-15 21:49:14
hi there, there is a mod from volvo for creaky driveshafts when setting off. Remove the shaft bolt [in cent of brake disc] push the cv joint inwards and grease up the splines, see if this helps before spending lots of money.
Post 116511 by jp850R on 2006-06-15 22:56:18
Hi
Does it click when you brake too?
Post 116578 by rgracin on 2006-06-16 08:30:49
[QUOTE=jp850R]Hi
Does it click when you brake too?[/QUOTE]
I Haven't noticed. I have only noticed it when either reversing or pulling away.
The car is a 2001 with 95k on it.
Post 116579 by rgracin on 2006-06-16 08:32:12
[QUOTE=JASON 60SE]hi there, there is a mod from volvo for creaky driveshafts when setting off. Remove the shaft bolt [in cent of brake disc] push the cv joint inwards and grease up the splines, see if this helps before spending lots of money.[/QUOTE]
I's more of a clicking/ticking noise than a creak. But may be worth a shot.
Post 116598 by jp850R on 2006-06-16 09:45:05
Also if you get a mo sit on the brakes whilst shaking the steering and turning the steering lock to lock, let us know how you get on if you dont mind.
Post 116616 by rgracin on 2006-06-16 11:13:12
[QUOTE=jp850R]Also if you get a mo sit on the brakes whilst shaking the steering and turning the steering lock to lock, let us know how you get on if you dont mind.[/QUOTE]
Stationary?
I'll give it a go at lunch time.
Post 116619 by jp850R on 2006-06-16 11:48:44
Yep engine running, at a stand still but foot on brake.
Shake first, note any noises (if any)
then lock to lock several time, note noises.
Post 116670 by rgracin on 2006-06-16 14:56:40
OK.
Have tried at standstill, no noises. Nothing when shaking, and nothing when turning from lock to lock with brakes on.
Seems to only happen when moving off in either direction.
What's the verdict??
Post 116718 by jp850R on 2006-06-16 17:12:55
Please note i am only kinda guessing from here, the bit i asked you to do would point towards ball joints on lower swing arms, track rod joints or track rods end or even rack, so we can rule them out pretty much.
Could you tell me if it does it when you brake or not aswell cheers (either fwd or rev).
(P.S the only reason im running through these bits and not just saying "its you cv's" is because your description sound like mine, and ive just replaced, steering rack, lowerwish bones, track rod ends, poly bushes on the lower wish bones and track rods, so unfortunately i know what every single part sounds like except the cv's)
Post 116740 by M44K TS on 2006-06-16 18:05:54
probably no use, but the balljoints were shot on a friends Primera, that gave a click/clunk when he pulled away, could be something similar
Post 116741 by jp850R on 2006-06-16 18:09:04
[quote=T5Mark]probably no use, but the balljoints were shot on a friends Primera, that gave a click/clunk when he pulled away, could be something similar[/quote]
Should also do it whilst braking too.(or at least mine did) :-)
Post 116747 by M44K TS on 2006-06-16 18:22:07
i think it did
Post 116996 by scooby555 on 2006-06-17 14:19:02
i have the same problem with my s60
Post 117329 by rgracin on 2006-06-19 08:53:48
OK, I didn't get the chance to jack it up at the weekend as a little hectic, but have had a proper listen.
The noise is a fairly high pitched metallic click, not a clonk (although I have that as well, will go on to that). It can only be heard from the outside, or with the window open. I can't hear anything when the car is rolling, it only really happens when first pulling away in either reverse gear or 1st. It's like the initial movement under load causes the first click, which may be followed quickly after by a couple more, but not always. This depends on how much load there is e.g. pulling up hill. It doesn't click constantly (that I can hear). So it's like someiting is worn and settles into position.
It can go like this: Pull away, click, roll, no noise, brake, no audible noise over pad squeal!, accelerate whilst still rolling, click.
I do have some clunking on the front as well, and upon my pre mot check, I found the front lower bushes to have some play, so these do need replaceing, but it is a totaly different sound.
Do you agree that suspension components tend to clunk rather than click? (sounds like a seat belt advert doesn't it?)
Sorry for the long post, but trying to describe as best as possible.
Post 117331 by jp850R on 2006-06-19 08:58:20
Good explanation mate, like i say i havnt had experience with cv's but goin on what your saying i would agree with the original diagnosis of the cv joints. and yeah the ball joints etc do go clunk rather than click.
(p.s i recommend a design of polyurethane type bush too)
Post 117341 by rgracin on 2006-06-19 09:46:17
I was probably going to change the arms complete to save the hassle of removing old bushes. This way, I will renew all bushes and ball joints.
With your extensive overhaul, was it done step by step, or did you do the lot in one go?
Did the 'clicking' disappear, or do you still have it?
Post 117682 by rgracin on 2006-06-20 10:30:16
I jacked it up last night, and had a good look and listen. I can't get it to make the clicking noise whilst in the air. Seems it needs that load to click.
Front bushes are definately shot. There is play from side to side, but nothing top to bottom. The bushes don't help, but it also felt like there was some play in the steering rack. Is this possible, are they known to wear at 95k??
Post 118057 by jp850R on 2006-06-21 15:37:47
[quote=rgracin]I was probably going to change the arms complete to save the hassle of removing old bushes. This way, I will renew all bushes and ball joints.
With your extensive overhaul, was it done step by step, or did you do the lot in one go?
Did the 'clicking' disappear, or do you still have it?[/quote]
It has been a step by step process, each noise has occured and been fixed over the last 6months or so (just the track rods to replace now and drop links and im all sorted)(i hope)
As for steering rack mines on 168000 now just replaced that because of movement not fluid.
You said you get no noise whilst shaking the steering so i would think you could rule out track rods, track rod ends and rack.
If i was in you position i would replace the lower swing arms first. then see how it is.
(does still sound like cv joints tho)
Post 118162 by Nathlm on 2006-06-21 23:29:14
Hi,
This is Hamish not Nats !
That clicking is the brake pads moving against the pad anti rattle springs and is absolutely zero to worry about all the P2 cars do it even when new.
Regards,
Hamish.
www.volvotuninguk.com
Post 118213 by rgracin on 2006-06-22 09:21:32
[QUOTE=Nathlm]Hi,
This is Hamish not Nats !
That clicking is the brake pads moving against the pad anti rattle springs and is absolutely zero to worry about all the P2 cars do it even when new.
Regards,
Hamish.
www.volvotuninguk.com[/QUOTE]
Really? That is good news. (especially for my wallet!!
Just out of interest then, what are the simptons of worn CV joints?
Post 120254 by rgracin on 2006-06-29 08:53:52
Anyone??
Post 120301 by Rufe on 2006-06-29 13:35:31
worn cv joints would click, but it would happen when moving and turning and clutch is not down. if you put the clutch down, the noise would stop. had plenty of these fail during my cavalier era
Post 120388 by madness on 2006-06-29 21:11:28
i think it will be the driveshafts moving,very common problem to dealers . they need glueing in with metal glue to stop this. however, if a wheelbearing/hub goes the driveshaft may not come back out.
Post 120406 by nobananas on 2006-06-29 22:14:06
C/V joints will almost certainly make themselves known if you turn on full lock and then pull away sharply. You will then hear a series of clicks or cracks which will then quieten down as you straighten the steering. The offending C/V joint is then normaly the one on the outer-most side of the turn. The only exception is certain Renault and Peugeot joints which have roller bearings inside instead of cage and ball bearings.
Post 122805 by Ryan_pat on 2006-07-07 14:36:13
my s60 does this too...... so its no problem? i have same only pulling away or reversing........
Post 134079 by nealer on 2006-08-14 11:15:47
Just noticed this on my S60 - is it a problem or something that can be sorted... i was going to book the car into Mr V to have it looked at.
Post 134338 by stuAWD on 2006-08-14 21:51:51
[QUOTE=rgracin]Anyone??[/QUOTE]
You will just KNOW when its your CV joints, believe me.
Post 134421 by rgracin on 2006-08-15 08:56:12
[QUOTE=nealer]Just noticed this on my S60 - is it a problem or something that can be sorted... i was going to book the car into Mr V to have it looked at.[/QUOTE]
I checked mine, and it was just the pads. taking them out and refitting corrected it for a while, but they soon settled back and click again. It's nothing to worry about though.
It's just the damn clunking I can't cure. It's had new drop links, and lower wishbones, but after about a thousand miles, it has started again. ARB bushes are fine so it only leaves dampers or top mounts. Any opinions as to which is the more likely culprit??
Post 134424 by nealer on 2006-08-15 09:14:30
thanks - i'll 'try' and sort the pads out ...
Hope you get the clunking sorted out - i know how frustrating these ramdom noises can be!!
I had faulty dampers on my old 5-series... wasn't much of a noise, more noticable when driving as the handlind suffered big time - was very vague at times, and there was a little bit of fluid leaking.
Post 136873 by nealer on 2006-08-24 16:15:33
[QUOTE=madness]i think it will be the driveshafts moving,very common problem to dealers . they need glueing in with metal glue to stop this. however, if a wheelbearing/hub goes the driveshaft may not come back out.[/QUOTE]
Madness was spot on - Volvo dealer & tube of locktight solved the rattle!