ECU Experiment **********************
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Post 123618 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 20:24:15
Did a bit of a experiment today at the essex meet,a certain person asked me to try his mte ecu which he swapped for mine but i did not run it as i was a bit reluctant.That said T5TART took the challenge so i went with him in his car with his superchip in and mbc down a stretch of road long enough to give it some boot.Came back tried SAID ecu and turned the mbc down went down the same bit of road again and came back car felt slower but no boost spike,so we put his original ecu back in and went for another run,felt quicker than the last run but yet with no boost spike,we returned to the talbot and decided the spike he was getting was in fact he had the mbc turned up slightly to much from the start,So now draw your own conclusions all i can say is that i will be visiting Hamish and Adam at VT at some point for a RICA upgrade as i was not impressed with the other and i was very happy when i drove the RICA 304 version
Post 123619 by Vikingxl on 2006-07-09 20:25:18
Very interesting!!
Post 123646 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 20:56:19
I was also surprised
to be honest after what i have heard about superchips
may have to go see hamish too
see what magic he can work :)
Post 123655 by elliot on 2006-07-09 21:04:56
I am sorry but thats a really bad test,if you "turn the mbc down" and get less bost the car will be slower.The MTE controls the boost through the std bcs,and the fueling is setup for higher boost levels so it would have probably been rich depending what your mbc is set to?!The superchips chip just removes the std boost cut and controls the boost with an mbc and does'nt adjust the full throttle fueling from the std map so it will be a bit leaner and thus faster.IMHO you will never know unless you have a wideband though or put it on a dyno.What is the mbc set to?
Edited to say that mbc's always spike as they spool the turbo as fast as it can and it over shoots a tiny bit then settles.
Post 123658 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 21:06:27
mbc is iset to 1 bar
for both runs
Post 123668 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:14:28
[QUOTE=t5tart]mbc is iset to 1 bar
for both runs[/QUOTE]
i can vouch for that we did make it a fair test for both ecu`s
Post 123670 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:15:46
[QUOTE=elliot]I am sorry but thats a really bad test,if you "turn the mbc down" and get less bost the car will be slower.The MTE controls the boost through the std bcs,and the fueling is setup for higher boost levels so it would have probably been rich depending what your mbc is set to?!The superchips chip just removes the std boost cut and controls the boost with an mbc and does'nt adjust the full throttle fueling from the std map so it will be a bit leaner and thus faster.IMHO you will never know unless you have a wideband though or put it on a dyno.What is the mbc set to?
Edited to say that mbc's always spike as they spool the turbo as fast as it can and it over shoots a tiny bit then settles.[/QUOTE]
we were told by the guy to test it like that???????
Post 123674 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:18:18
[QUOTE=vikingt5]Very interesting!![/QUOTE]
To be honest i dont think it would make any difference to my car as we did both runs on tarts car with the mbc set at 1 bar and left it all we did was change ecu`s and the superchipped one felt more responsive and quicker through the gears giving it big licks.It was a fair test
Post 123676 by elliot on 2006-07-09 21:19:15
If you get a chance next time,you will be able to tell alot more by letting an upgraded ecu control the boost by itself.It will pull alot better up top compared to an mbc.I would'nt make a judgement on one ecu upgrade verus another like this!
Post 123678 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:21:25
[QUOTE=elliot]If you get a chance next time,you will be able to tell alot more by letting an upgraded ecu control the boost by itself.It will pull alot better up top compared to an mbc.I would'nt make a judgement on one ecu upgrade verus another like this![/QUOTE]
I was not prepared to run it in mine! it is not a judgement it was a fact and we also pointed this out to the guy who bought it along,that said he did claim that it would only give 20-30bhp over the standard ecu.If you would be willing to do the same test mate then feel free
Post 123679 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 21:22:07
at the end of the day given the choice drivability wise ill stick with mine
I am happy to try any alternatives though
Post 123683 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:26:24
[QUOTE=t5tart]at the end of the day given the choice drivability wise ill stick with mine
I am happy to try any alternatives though[/QUOTE]
to be honest we both went out in yours so it is not a biased judgement it is a fact that your ecu was the better of the 2 on the day in your car LOL,but as we all know no 2 T5`s are ever alike.But i think i will be going the way of a RICA upgrade but it was a good test (apart from that w4nker taxi driver at the roundabout LOL)but if any body disagrees with our findings then please go try for yourselfs and see what you think
Post 123687 by siamblue on 2006-07-09 21:29:19
[QUOTE=T5ER]to be honest we both went out in yours so it is not a biased judgement it is a fact that your ecu was the better of the 2 on the day in your car LOL,but as we all know no 2 T5`s are ever alike.But i think i will be going the way of a RICA upgrade but it was a good test (apart from that w4nker taxi driver at the roundabout LOL)but if any body disagrees with our findings then please go try for yourselfs and see what you think[/QUOTE]
Wayne, You will find the same with a Rica if only running on 95 ron, i have tried all sorts of different fuels with a Rica, when i had my old S70,
If you had run the car on 98 ron then you would had noticed the difference,
Post 123693 by elliot on 2006-07-09 21:33:33
[QUOTE=T5ER]I was not prepared to run it in mine! it is not a judgement it was a fact and we also pointed this out to the guy who bought it along,that said he did claim that it would only give 20-30bhp over the standard ecu.If you would be willing to do the same test mate then feel free[/QUOTE]
I have done with different ECU maps! 20-30hp over std sounds spot on for ANY aftermarket chip,maybe 35hp whilst still using the std exhaust!All i am saying is that the MTE ecu would have not peformed well with an mbc controlling boost at 1 bar,as the mbc spools the boost far faster than the boost curve mapped into the mte ecu,when the ecu "sees" this, remember it does'nt see boost just load determined from the maf,it would normally pull the boost back but it cannot because of the mbc then it pulls timing as a deffence hence the car feels slower.This is a simple explaination of this,as i don't really want to go into it,but it would be worth speaking to Adam or Marko from mte about how the ecu responds to mbc's,unless its mapped for it.
Post 123694 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:35:23
[QUOTE=siamblue]Wayne, You will find the same with a Rica if only running on 95 ron, i have tried all sorts of different fuels with a Rica, when i had my old S70,
If you had run the car on 98 ron then you would had noticed the difference,[/QUOTE]
Think T5TART filled his up on 98,i can see were you are coming from but i do think it was a fairish test as it was short notice and spur of the moment thing so you can only compare on what you see and feel on the day.I am not saying that this is better than that and ooooohhh this one is the dogs dangles,as that is just he said they said and that is just childish and petty
Post 123695 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:36:29
[QUOTE=elliot]I have done with different ECU maps! 20-30hp over std sounds spot on for ANY aftermarket chip,maybe 35hp whilst still using the std exhaust!All i am saying is that the MTE ecu would have not peformed well with an mbc controlling boost at 1 bar,as the mbc spools the boost far faster than the boost curve mapped into the mte ecu,when the ecu "sees" this, remember it does'nt see boost just load determined from the maf,it would normally pull the boost back but it cannot because of the mbc then it pulls timing as a deffence hence the car feels slower.This is a simple explaination of this,as i don't really want to go into it,but it would be worth speaking to Adam or Marko from mte about how the ecu responds to mbc's,unless its mapped for it.[/QUOTE]
So why were we told to try it then????????????
Post 123698 by elliot on 2006-07-09 21:40:21
I have no idea?!
Post 123700 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 21:41:39
[QUOTE=elliot]Sorry try what?[/QUOTE]
the ecu in a car that has mbc to see what the difference is?????? thats is probably were all the confusions lay
Post 123704 by elliot on 2006-07-09 21:44:08
[QUOTE=T5ER]the ecu in a car that has mbc to see what the difference is?????? thats is probably were all the confusions lay[/QUOTE]
Sorry i just edited my last post after re reading yours agian and understanding it.Yes the ecu should have not been used in a car with an mbc to get an idea of peformance,confusion indeed!
Post 123719 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 21:55:09
now now ladies handbags at 5 paces please
at the end of the day how much of your time is used top end
i was more than happy with the performance of mine over the TME map
mbc or not
mine seemed to just pull better
and in my mind thats what its all about not top end speed
cause thats just silly IMO
who cares idf it does 150 or 155 where are you gonna use it ?
now as far as annoying chav's with 5 inch tail pipes mine works hehe
Post 123725 by Vikingxl on 2006-07-09 22:00:12
Wayne was asked by we all know who to test the ecu and to offer his opinions on it.Thats whats been done and Wayne said what he thought.The supplier of the ecu in question was aware of the set up and was happy to lend them the ecu.I see no confusion here Wayne tested it didnt like it end of story.Everyone else except t5hillbilly and porkpie gimp were not in the car so all this is meaningless as no one has a realistic idea of what it was like except those two.Wayne prefers the rica set up and thats his decision and hillbilly prefers his super chip over the Tme .Now can we all just get on with our lives please?
And what a shock yet again certain people are stirring the s**t again to try and ruin things for all of us.Certain people should take a long hard look at the total bollocks they keep spouting and if they dont want to play nicely with others why dont they just f**k off and play with the other mindless idiots.Im tiired of all this and dont want the volvo name dragged down by a small minority of idiots with no brain and the social skills of a maggot.If anyone has a problem with any of this please feel free to contact me so i can talk to you more freely and tell you exactly how i feel!
Post 123727 by elliot on 2006-07-09 22:03:51
As long as you are pleased than thats all that matters i was just trying to explain,why you got the results you did.When i said top end i did'nt mean 155mph i meant 5000rpm up to the limiter in any gear, as in top end of the rev range sorry for the confusion.
Post 123728 by Justin on 2006-07-09 22:04:04
[quote=vikingt5]Wayne was asked by we all know who to test the ecu and to offer his opinions on it.Thats whats been done and Wayne said what he thought.The supplier of the ecu in question was aware of the set up and was happy to lend them the ecu.I see no confusion here Wayne tested it didnt like it end of story.Everyone else except t5hillbilly and porkpie gimp were not in the car so all this is meaningless as no one has a realistic idea of what it was like except those two.Wayne prefers the rica set up and thats his decision and hillbilly prefers his super chip over the Tme .Now can we all just get on with our lives please?[/quote]
Perfectly put!
Post 123729 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 22:04:47
[QUOTE=vikingt5]Wayne was asked by we all know who to test the ecu and to offer his opinions on it.Thats whats been done and Wayne said what he thought.The supplier of the ecu in question was aware of the set up and was happy to lend them the ecu.I see no confusion here Wayne tested it didnt like it end of story.Everyone else except t5hillbilly and porkpie gimp were not in the car so all this is meaningless as no one has a realistic idea of what it was like except those two.Wayne prefers the rica set up and thats his decision and hillbilly prefers his super chip over the Tme .Now can we all just get on with our lives please?[/QUOTE]
Well said Rich and as i said i was not prepared to run up the road in my car with it fitted???if any thing had gone wrong what come back have i got????? NONE.
Now can i get on with my life to aswell as my porkpie as it is starting to get warm!
Post 123734 by elliot on 2006-07-09 22:10:52
People read thes forums and then make decisions on what ecu to buy.I was just tring to point out that the ecu wont produce good results in that situation with the mbc,just like any other ecu map that was not designed to run with an mbc.
Post 123736 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 22:11:06
[QUOTE=vikingt5]Wayne was asked by we all know who to test the ecu and to offer his opinions on it.Thats whats been done and Wayne said what he thought.The supplier of the ecu in question was aware of the set up and was happy to lend them the ecu.I see no confusion here Wayne tested it didnt like it end of story.Everyone else except t5hillbilly and porkpie gimp were not in the car so all this is meaningless as no one has a realistic idea of what it was like except those two.Wayne prefers the rica set up and thats his decision and hillbilly prefers his super chip over the Tme .Now can we all just get on with our lives please?
And what a shock yet again certain people are stirring the s**t again to try and ruin things for all of us.Certain people should take a long hard look at the total bollocks they keep spouting and if they dont want to play nicely with others why dont they just f**k off and play with the other mindless idiots.Im tiired of all this and dont want the volvo name dragged down by a small minority of idiots with no brain and the social skills of a maggot.If anyone has a problem with any of this please feel free to contact me so i can talk to you more freely and tell you exactly how i feel![/QUOTE]
well said
christ i didn't know a personal opinion could be wrong
mind you having just been sent a link to the other site
i'm glad i picked this one with the childish thread i have just read
Post 123740 by T5ER on 2006-07-09 22:15:24
[quote=vikingt5]
And what a shock yet again certain people are stirring the s**t again to try and ruin things for all of us.Certain people should take a long hard look at the total bollocks they keep spouting and if they dont want to play nicely with others why dont they just **** off and play with the other mindless idiots.Im tiired of all this and dont want the volvo name dragged down by a small minority of idiots with no brain and the social skills of a maggot.If anyone has a problem with any of this please feel free to contact me so i can talk to you more freely and tell you exactly how i feel![/quote]
HERE HERE if any body wants to complain about said findings please feel free to send me a pm i will be honest and up front and personally i really dont give a **** what any body else thinks or says as i said try it yourselves
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Post 123741 by Nathlm on 2006-07-09 22:19:03
[QUOTE=vikingt5]Wayne was asked by we all know who to test the ecu and to offer his opinions on it.[/QUOTE]
Am I being stupid (probably) who is the 'you know who'?
Nat xx
Post 123742 by Vikingxl on 2006-07-09 22:20:25
Thats one for Wayne but i think hos name might begin with a D
Post 123744 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 22:21:48
and he has KU stickers on his car
Post 123745 by t5tart on 2006-07-09 22:23:34
ah sod it
they are fond of posting names and copying pm's and posts on their site
Don Kalmar union
ill say it as it was mr he was talking to also
Post 123746 by Justin on 2006-07-09 22:23:37
I think this has said enough. You've said your piece boys, lets call it a day :) Thread closed.