people who drive eco boxes...

Post 249898 by t5_carl on 2009-08-17 23:55:20

do these people buy on looks?!??looking at most of them i can only guess not! what are your views on these eco friendly cars??

Post 249913 by AlanG on 2009-08-18 00:46:17

The people who are fooled into buying these monstrosities should be shot...................every day at dawn for a month..

Post 249922 by Filterlab on 2009-08-18 08:29:34

Toyota Prius: 65.7mpg Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion: 70mpg Toyota Prius: £18,370 Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion: £12,120 Toyota Prius: You'll look like a lentil chomping ex-hippy driving one. Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion: You'll look like a normal person driving one. I know what my choice would be if I was into Eco-boxes.

Post 249935 by thebadger on 2009-08-18 09:58:10

The prius uses battery power to supplement the normal engine. To manuf the batteries, Nickle is mined from the ground in the USA, shipped to Japan/China, turned into the components for the batteries, shipped to the USA again to be made into the completed battery units, then shipped to europe to be built into the production of the cars. Save a tree... buy a secondhand car from just down the road!

Post 249937 by lance on 2009-08-18 10:03:11

These Eco boxs wont last as long, maybe 130k 10 years so how can that be environmentally friendly when some old volvos and mercs do half a million miles or more! The Prius is so un eco friendly in its construction its untrue, and electric isnt the answer as its more inefficiant and polluting in its production than say diesel!

Post 249941 by Murphy on 2009-08-18 10:16:54

The thing you are missing is a Volvo T5 will use an additional £14,000.00 worth of fuel [circa 3033.33 extra gallons!!!] on top of the fact that you will emit in excess of 34 tons MORE CO2 than a 60mpg eco box over 10 years. They have their place as much as the next car. In fact I know a few people who drive eco boxes and have either bikes or weekend toys. A pretty decent proposition TBH. The other thing is if you changed your Volvo for an eco box, you could take the family to The Canary Islands each year with the savings. Don't knock until you have tried ;)

Post 249943 by IC on 2009-08-18 10:22:48

Just trying to put into perspective what's in this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

Post 249945 by thebadger on 2009-08-18 10:29:22

Yeah, but the amount of Shipping probably accounts for around half of the fuel loss on having a T5. Keep the T5 as a bit of fun & buy an old small car for the commute. Or use public transport..... what am I saying! :slap: Priuses are possibly the most ugly car since the fiat multipla!

Post 249947 by thebadger on 2009-08-18 10:40:36

[quote=IC;249943]Just trying to put into perspective what's in this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution[/quote] Point & case.... Run your car on environmentalists! The idea that cars are guilty of being the major contributor for global warming is stupid. More Co2 is spewed by industry in a month than all the cars in europe would in 2 years! The fact that America refused Kioto says it all. China is now the largest polluter, and as their population grows in wealth, that will only get worse.

Post 249948 by Filterlab on 2009-08-18 10:45:58

[quote=thebadger;249947] China is now the largest polluter, and as their population grows in wealth, that will only get worse.[/quote] Only to a point though, as the introduction of health and safety laws and human rights is just beginning in China (along with minimum wage) it won't be long before manufacturing gets redistributed around the globe as China becomes less competitive.

Post 249950 by Wombatbomb on 2009-08-18 10:50:35

Just stop cows from farting and we'll all be sorted :D

Post 249954 by Filterlab on 2009-08-18 10:55:48

And also stop emissions from the ocean too.

Post 249985 by RobbieH on 2009-08-18 13:36:39

[quote=Filterlab;249922]Toyota Prius: 65.7mpg [/quote] At what speed is that quoted at? I've given up counting how many times I've been passed by Prius's on the motorway and I'm cruising at 80mph. "Economic" at 56mph or during normal town driving but thrashing down the M6 at 90-100mph?????

Post 249997 by Filterlab on 2009-08-18 14:57:27

Post 250011 by AlanG on 2009-08-18 15:59:33

How about stopping politicians breathing out?........or indeed breathing at all..

Post 250017 by wegal on 2009-08-18 16:22:08

There has to be a change in transport, the eco boxes are a joke really. Generating electricity is a massive pollutant, so the advantage is offset by the generation in the first place. Unless we change our entire energy and transport policys globaly not much will change. We must step away from any power source that we dig out of the ground, including nuke power, and invest very heavily in 100% renewable energy, the only 2 real ones are wave and solar. Please dont say wind as a windmill uses more energy to manufacture than it will ever generate during its 15 year life span. They are an energy negative system. Only once we have wave and solar power perfected and proper effective public transport systems in place will anything change. Sad thing is the technology is there, and it works, but governments are so far up the energy companies arses that they wont do it. This is a simple and solvable problem that would take less than 10 years and less money than they just gave the banks. Madness !

Post 250021 by p fandango on 2009-08-18 17:18:01

[quote=RobbieH;249985]At what speed is that quoted at? I've given up counting how many times I've been passed by Prius's on the motorway and I'm cruising at 80mph. "Economic" at 56mph or during normal town driving but thrashing down the M6 at 90-100mph?????[/quote] we've got a couple of people at work with Pruis's & they drive them everywhere like iddiots. I remember Top Gear testing a Pruis against an M3 around there track, the Pruis had to drive flat-out & the M3 had to keep up with it (bet that was hard lol) & the M3 used less petrol

Post 250063 by Filterlab on 2009-08-18 19:43:24

Hydrogen Fuel Cell - that's the real way forward. All that has to be done now is to find an efficient way to extract hydrogen.

Post 250076 by t5 stealth on 2009-08-18 20:00:43

these stupid little box cars are a waste of time,they are so cheaply made & put together,with crappy little engines,some 3 cylinder,so you gota ring its neck to make the thing go,thus using more fuel,they arnt more reliable,they are worse to work on,& they drive sh't. then try to use that stupid little car for your everyday use...oh you cant get 4 people in it,you cant get your weekly shopping in it,you cant tow a caravan with it,you cant tow a mate home,you cant get a reasonable size dog in it,you cant go on holiday in it,companys cant use them,a rep couldnt havew much stock in it & if he put the seats down & filled it up,how efficiant would it be then,immagine one of these hairdryer cars being used as a rep car,up & down a motorway all day....it couldnt do it... absolutely no point to these stupid little cars, il stop now cos il get pi##ed off lol basicly im not a fan of them lol.

Post 250091 by nobananas on 2009-08-18 21:13:49

We're all goin' to be travelling in tubes man I tell you !...but seriously, one of my concerns is that we will end up with lots of small economical euro boxes and huge monstrous 4x4's and that will be it !. One of the main reason's I stomach the fuel costs with the wifes T5 is that I'd rather she be in that every day then a Smart car (I know the n-cap rating is probably higher for the Smart car but even so !) She's already had one accident a few years ago coming home from work that was totally beyond her control (some twonk sitting in a junction box thingy waiting to turn right decided to turn right in front of her and she broadsided him doing 60, wasn't much left afterwards !) and if she had been in her own car (Fiat 126) she'd be dead but luckily the old nail didn't start that morning so she took my dads Mk2 Cavalier SRi instead...a bloody strong car it thankfully turned out to be !

Post 250095 by t5 stealth on 2009-08-18 21:17:28

[quote=nobananas;250091]We're all goin' to be travelling in tubes man I tell you !...but seriously, one of my concerns is that we will end up with lots of small economical euro boxes and huge monstrous 4x4's and that will be it !. One of the main reason's I stomach the fuel costs with the wifes T5 is that I'd rather she be in that every day then a Smart car (I know the n-cap rating is probably higher for the Smart car but even so !) She's already had one accident a few years ago coming home from work that was totally beyond her control (some twonk sitting in a junction box thingy waiting to turn right decided to turn right in front of her and she broadsided him doing 60, wasn't much left afterwards !) and if she had been in her own car (Fiat 126) she'd be dead but luckily the old nail didn't start that morning so she took my dads Mk2 Cavalier SRi instead...a bloody strong car it thankfully turned out to be ![/quote] hav to agree mate....size does matter lol

Post 250109 by AlanG on 2009-08-18 21:43:26

As far as I'm concerned the global warming or is it climate change nowadays?? is propaganda. It's evolution. The enviromentalists/tree huggers are aliens and the government are a shower of self-seeking,lyin' b&^%$£ds. Why doesn't the USA want to join Kyoto?? Cause they aren't daft and they respect their electorate. Nuclear is what is req'd,not every square inch of the country covered in floomin' windmills that cost more than they make. Strange they are peppered all over Scotland first. Westminster wouldn't have the dosh to destroy this beautiful country with naval bases and rusting cargo ships parked up in Loch Striven if they had any regard for here and not robbing us blind for oil revenue. It's all about money,all they care about. The worst part is that the unelected,lyin' piece of sh*t at the helm is from here. Oh...and where did Tory Bliar go? Rats and sinking ships spring to mind. Sorry all......wish I could emigrate. Walter or Jerry......lookin' for a lodger???

Post 250132 by jimka on 2009-08-18 22:38:52

...or you could buy a diesel volvo, with leather seats, that didnt run on double-a's that does 72.4 mpg (combined cycle) ...............a volvo s40 1.6D drive to be precise... winning the 'what car' green car of the year. and as a plus note: people wouldn't think you're a celebrity with three bentley's and a prius only to look like a carebear good for nothing.....

Post 250136 by volvoturboman on 2009-08-18 22:42:41

I ain't heard it mentioned yet that one of the biggest pollutants in the world, the jet plane actually harms the environment more per passenger head than the motor car. This brings me to think that maybe the experts hould start looking there first. There is a fantastic idea though that nobody seems to be pushing forward (probably because the government won't be able to raise any revenue) the hydro car. Its basically an advanced version of the original steam engine, it offers all the performance you'd expect from a petrol and doesn't weigh any more. An added benefit of course is that the experts are raving that the sea level is rising so we have an abundance of water. But then as I say, the governments can't tax water.

Post 250146 by AlanG on 2009-08-18 23:20:49

H.........we're taxed on everything,including water...

Post 250147 by AlanG on 2009-08-18 23:21:49

[QUOTE=jimka;250132]...or you could buy a diesel volvo, with leather seats, that didnt run on double-a's that does 72.4 mpg (combined cycle) ...............a volvo s40 1.6D drive to be precise... winning the 'what car' green car of the year. IT'S A CROCUS!!

Post 250153 by Porcine_Aviator on 2009-08-18 23:43:15

Jeff Dunham's thoughts on a Prius[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcSOP2AzXU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcSOP2AzXU&feature=related[/ame] We have all of this guys DVDs and they are brilliant, you can watch them again and again. Had to buy them from th States.

Post 250160 by volvoturboman on 2009-08-19 00:09:47

[quote=Porcine_Aviator;250153]Jeff Dunham's thoughts on a Priushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcSOP2AzXU&feature=related We have all of this guys DVDs and they are brilliant, you can watch them again and again. Had to buy them from th States.[/quote] The guy is a living genious. Never in my life have I laughed as hard at any comedian. I'm even part of the fan club lol. These little cars kinda pis me offafa

Post 250164 by smudgethecat on 2009-08-19 00:18:44

[QUOTE=AlanG;250109]Why doesn't the USA want to join Kyoto?? Cause they aren't daft and they respect their electorate. LMFAO, what a friggin simple plantpot you are mate, i only wish it were so

Post 250165 by PaulZX on 2009-08-19 00:22:29

I've got a new car for the weekends... 3oozx twin turbo, sod globla warming, it's not caused by what comes out of my exhaust pipe, nor anyone else's.... It's a scam... get used to it... climate change happens no matter what. it's a natural process. And people are getting rich from scaring folk into believing otherwise. get a frugal car if want to save money, but don't for one second believe you're "saving the planet" that's just bunkum...

Post 250167 by Porcine_Aviator on 2009-08-19 00:34:45

[quote=TheFlyingFridgeMover;250165]don't for one second believe you're "saving the planet" that's just bunkum...[/quote] Hear hear

Post 250174 by AlanG on 2009-08-19 02:01:29

[quote=smudgethecat;250164][QUOTE=AlanG;250109]Why doesn't the USA want to join Kyoto?? Cause they aren't daft and they respect their electorate. LMFAO, what a friggin simple plantpot you are mate, i only wish it were so[/quote] Oh dear,there's always one. Really?? Listen to the majority. If you listen to and believe what you are told by the media and the spin,then you are to be pitied. Thank goodness people like you are few and far between,otherwise we would be in big trouble. Population in this hole.......about 50million. Apathy...a national epidemic. Government know they can take the piss and do. America...vastly larger in population and don't stand havin' the piss taken,hence the government don't try. Apart from anything else,it's as I said. They govern for the people unlike here where they govern to spite the people. Plantpot? You shouldn't say things like that on here. It's provocative and won't win you any friends. LFMAO indeed.....You'll be laughing alone.

Post 250192 by volvoturboman on 2009-08-19 03:20:28

At the end of the day its like this. I drive a Volvo it has a big 2.4 ngine it drinks loads of fuel and it probably empties loads of contaminents into the world. I have also listened to other experts on the TV who say that all this climate change has nothing to do with cars. They say whats happening now has always happened through out history, for example the ice age was a prime example of climate change nd I don't think we could really blame that on cars now, could we? And just in case I done the most environmentally friendly thing anyone could do, bought a bicycle.

Post 250207 by Filterlab on 2009-08-19 08:37:55

Here's an interesting graph showing global temperature deviation over the last 2000 years (although quite how they obtain these figures is questionable). However, it shows that the highest temperature deviation was around the years 900 and 1700 - now correct me if I'm wrong, but that definitely can't be blamed on industry, cars or in fact any man made input. I have to say that I'm with you Alan, the whole climate change thing is just too much like a taxation opportunity for me to swallow as a valid planet altering situation.

Post 250208 by Filterlab on 2009-08-19 08:39:55

[quote=TheFlyingFridgeMover;250165]I've got a new car for the weekends... 3oozx twin turbo, sod globla warming, it's not caused by what comes out of my exhaust pipe, nor anyone else's.... It's a scam... get used to it... climate change happens no matter what. it's a natural process. And people are getting rich from scaring folk into believing otherwise. get a frugal car if want to save money, but don't for one second believe you're "saving the planet" that's just bunkum...[/quote] Top post Fridgey. :)

Post 250285 by t5_carl on 2009-08-19 17:28:52

wow nice to see ive hit a good topic!:D

Post 250306 by jimka on 2009-08-19 19:43:22

[quote=AlanG;250147][QUOTE=jimka;250132]...or you could buy a diesel volvo, with leather seats, that didnt run on double-a's that does 72.4 mpg (combined cycle) ...............a volvo s40 1.6D drive to be precise... winning the 'what car' green car of the year. IT'S A CROCUS!![/quote] ..................a perennial flowering plant?? someone above made a valid point about saving money verses mpg.... which is why i'd have a 'green car' I concur with the rest of you that global warming is heavily over-rated to increase taxes, but hell, they'd tax us if it was getting colder and call it something else.

Post 250388 by AlanG on 2009-08-20 00:02:23

[quote=jimka;250306][quote=AlanG;250147] ..................a perennial flowering plant?? someone above made a valid point about saving money verses mpg.... which is why i'd have a 'green car' I concur with the rest of you that global warming is heavily over-rated to increase taxes, but hell, they'd tax us if it was getting colder and call it something else.[/quote] Mate,they'd tax us on the air that we breathe.........Hang on......They do! It's cleverly disguised and called Council Tax...

Post 250396 by thebadger on 2009-08-20 08:55:56

Keep the T5's, and all the other gas guzzlers. In twenty years they'll all be collectors items & then we can all get our fuel & tax money back! I will never get a Hybrid car. I will never get an electric car. This will be the case even if my Volvo is made illegal by some treehugging type in power. Not happening while I'm driving & my Grandfather is still driving at 87. That's at least another 50 years of me behind the wheel!

Post 250473 by AlanG on 2009-08-20 15:21:23

Well said,that man........:ready2go:

Post 250546 by nobananas on 2009-08-20 19:14:48

Did anyone hear about this. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6K9YwkHDgc[/ame] Basically PPC magazine paid for this ad to be shown on Dave to advertise their first PPC in the park. It was never shown because it was banned claiming it would cause offense and encourage environmentally unfriendly behavior !...The fact that it was to be shown in between re-runs of Top Gear around adverts for airlines and cheap travel both of which encourage environmentally unfriendly behavior seemed to be fine however !