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Post 264713 by swede on 2009-10-16 09:17:55
:B_thumb:
No sign of my court ordered money from Wilce / PGi Farnham.
BUT .... congrats to Ben Hayes.
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Steer clear of [COLOR="#ff0000"]PGi[/COLOR] whether they are calling themselves [COLOR="Red"]PGi Farnham[/COLOR], [COLOR="#ff0000"]PGi (Volvo Estates)[/COLOR], [COLOR="#ff0000"]PGi Ltd[/COLOR] (which names does not even belong to them) [COLOR="#ff0000"]PGi Garage[/COLOR] (which isn't a company name, just a front/advertising name) [COLOR="#ff0000"]PGi Trade Sales[/COLOR] (which isn't a company name either, just a front/advertising name), and don't have anything to do with [COLOR="#ff0000"]David Wilce[/COLOR] on any other matter, eg renting property.
Post 264715 by Porcine_Aviator on 2009-10-16 09:27:20
I have a feeling that you are going to have to call in bailiffs to get any money out of him. I just hope they can find something worth taking to cover your payment, their costs and the court costs as well.
Post 264718 by lance on 2009-10-16 10:21:11
I have a feeling balifs wont be much good but a couple of lump hammers and some knee caps might be satisfying
Post 264722 by jimka on 2009-10-16 10:34:05
at least when you put PGI Fareham into google it shows how much of a crook he is... spread the word swede!
Post 264725 by swede on 2009-10-16 10:36:45
[quote=lance;264718]..... a couple of lump hammers and some knee caps might be satisfying[/quote]
Indeed they would. Although that would be ILLEGAL. :nono:
Post 264726 by swede on 2009-10-16 10:39:00
[quote=jimka;264722]at least when you put PGI Fareham into google it shows how much of a crook he is... spread the word swede![/quote]
Doing my best jimka. (Except it's PGi Farnham not Fareham!)
Post 264733 by Justin on 2009-10-16 11:45:49
I recieved this info from Ben himself a few days ago. Its a victory in itself as it has been recognised that Mr Wilce is indeed at fault with regards to these claims, but how many others have we not heard about.
Lets hope that he is struck off and is not permitted to start any other companies in future.
I am making this sticky :)
Post 264755 by swede on 2009-10-16 14:18:55
[quote=Justin;264733]I am making this sticky :)[/quote]
... and you are making my day! :kiss:
Post 264758 by scooter on 2009-10-16 14:29:15
[quote=swede;264725]Indeed they would. Although that would be ILLEGAL. :nono:[/quote]
to be honest if he has done it to others he won't know who done it (just a thought)
Post 264764 by Porcine_Aviator on 2009-10-16 15:09:42
[quote=swede;264755]... and you are making my day! :kiss:[/quote]
Not as much as you would like it if Mr Wilce were to pay up :uglyhamme
Post 264765 by swede on 2009-10-16 15:16:20
[quote=Porcine_Aviator;264764]Not as much as you would like it if Mr Wilce were to pay up :uglyhamme[/quote]
Yeah, but if he did pay up I promised I'd stop writing about him - and you'd miss me! ;)
Post 270817 by swede on 2009-11-24 19:14:23
How about this for a result ....!
PGi Farnham in Runfold has cleared off. :wave23d:
One down - two more to go.
On a serious note, though - I wonder where David Wilce has moved his questionable cars (and under what name he will be attempting to offload them).
Post 270832 by Justin on 2009-11-24 21:02:09
Lol, oh dear!
Post 270880 by Storm-Troll on 2009-11-25 00:30:47
[quote=swede;264725]Indeed they would. Although that would be ILLEGAL. :nono:[/quote]
only if you got caught. lol. ;)
Post 273818 by swede on 2009-12-09 15:00:17
DAH Investments Limited (current company behind the PGi Farnham "brand") will officially be dissolved on 15 December 2009.
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/f0c8c0957712f986ac99f7e1d2230bb2/compdetails
I called Companies House to check it wasn't a mistake since it's not yet that date, but that's the date the second striking-off notice goes into the Gazette and the striking-off is complete.
David Wilce and Esther Wilce probably buy each other "off-the-shelf" company names as stocking-fillers for Christmas. I wonder what name they'll use next time?
[SIZE="6"]Be careful out there![/SIZE]
Post 273819 by T5ER on 2009-12-09 15:05:54
con&conetta would be a good company name for them
Post 279955 by pixie on 2010-01-08 11:11:19
Hello Members,
Wish I had come across this forum sooner.Could have saved myself a lot of trouble!Bought a faulty car off PGI and they took months to fix it.At first I just thought they were disorganised and then I realised they were actually deceitful.Yes they did fix it eventually but only after my husband made a nuisance.Perhaps those who have been ripped off and fought back like some of you guys made PGI think twice about trying to rip off another customer.
Since then I have met others in local area who think poorly of PGI.Wish I had researched more thoroughly.Websites like this are a good idea.Some people out there might have been lucky with PGI but if there is a problem with the car you have bought from them they are not to be trusted in my experience and I would not recommend using them to anyone.
Post 279965 by Porcine_Aviator on 2010-01-08 12:23:30
:welcome: Pixie.
Swede has been having a go at the towrag David Wilce for sometime, and he keeps us up to date with the campaign on a regular basis.
Wilce has, under various guises, it seems ripped of a lot of people. I even rang him once after PGi Farnham was liquidated I checked that it was PGi Farnham and the said have you got any Volvo's for sale. He said yes we have quite a few, so I asked again if it was PGi Farnham and he confirmed it was. I said is that the same PGi Farnham that has been liquidated to which he replied that the company was not in liquidation!
I then said thank you and hung up.
So it seems that he was still trading off the name even though the company was no longer liquid.
Post 280859 by swede on 2010-01-11 12:09:11
Thank you Pixie, for posting this. Thanks also P.A. for that last post - (I'm a SHE by the way). More evidence of lies. Perhaps you could report this conversation to Katherine Preston at Surrey Trading Standards.
Still awaiting my court ordered money from Feb 2007 and September 2009.
Anyone know what name he's selling under, now that ALL of the known company names are defunct?
PGi Farnham, David Wilce, PGi Volvo, PGi Runfold (These are for the benefit of search bots - with any luck their antics will be prominent in the search engines for the next decade or two, losing him far more than the money he owes me.)
To DAVID WILCE - it would be far cheaper to pay up and no more negative posts will be made by me. I can't speak for all the other customers you have crossed over the years, though!
Post 280872 by Porcine_Aviator on 2010-01-11 13:21:20
[quote=swede;280859]Thanks also P.A. for that last post - (I'm a SHE by the way). [/quote]
Oops sorry :) and will do.
Post 280884 by swede on 2010-01-11 14:11:29
Yep, that's where he lives, last I heard - "Courtfield". I feel sorry for him, don't you? A massive house on an exclusive private estate full of massive houses.
Can't afford to order the reports to see what companies.
Of course under the director name David Wilce (without the St John) there is another (Guildford area) postcode and another director number and an OK company history but the same birthdate ..... Apparently it's perfectly possible to be listed more than once with no checks being made whether you already are listed and have a director number. All search/listing sites get their info from same source so duplicate the duplication. Clearly official ID is not required and a director can have a "clean" and a "dirty" record, the real story of serial failure only for people searching who know director's full name (not likely) and a clean one for people who don't know his middle name. Ain't life grand!
Happy New Year!
Post 280887 by swede on 2010-01-11 14:16:58
Oh, and on the same website his missus Esther Wilce has 4 current company involvements. They've been busy recently ...
Post 304522 by lordvague on 2010-04-26 15:50:35
Looks like its either a paper shredder or the book is being shot out of a toaster.
Post 306891 by swede on 2010-05-07 14:18:04
They now have (according to the Snoop4Directors site) [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]TWO[/COLOR][/SIZE] unincorporated companies listed - "PGI" and "PGI Farnham" (all the better to mislead customers about who they are doing business with and therefore who to sue when things go t*ts up).
UC5497398 PGI Farnham
UC5068579 PGI
Remember that this means that there is UNLIMITED LIABILITY when things go wrong and you can sue the house off them (very nice mansion in Wonersh Park, Surrey) or whatever other assets still in possession.
That scenario would almost be preferable to no-one doing business with them, but then again, I'd rather no-one else had their life boll*cksed.
Just keep away from them and make sure you check out a company you may be tempted to buy a car from (or anything else that costs money you can't afford to throw away). Don't be swayed - walk away and check them out as best you can, at least Google them and look for reviews and forums, before going ahead. Wish we'd walked away ......
Still owe me money under TWO CCJs, from 2007 and 2009.
Last time I passed, cars were back on the Runfold forecourt.
Post 311948 by swede on 2010-05-30 00:22:37
PGI
They now have (according to the Snoop4Directors site) TWO unincorporated companies listed - "PGI" and "PGI Farnham"
UC5497398 PGI Farnham
UC5068579 PGI
They were reported to have taken money in the name of "Park Green Investments Ltd" by a purchaser posting on one of the Volvo forums. Park Green Investments Ltd's details (according to Companies House Webcheck service), are Company number ...
02835586 - PARK GREEN INVESTMENTS LIMITED
4-5 KING STREET, RICHMOND, SURREY, TW9 1ND
where, coincidentally, there are several similarly-named companies also registered ...
05007893 - PARK GREEN REAL ESTATE LIMITED
05637293 - PARK GREEN LIMITED
05007898 - PARK GREEN HOMES LIMITED
05008487 - PARK GREEN HOLDINGS LIMITED
04269935 - PARK GREEN CONTRACTORS LIMITED
not to mention if you Google "Park Green Investments Limited" all sorts of property development results come up in Devon ...........
Director No:
18122996 - DAVID WILCE
Address: SURREY, GU1 4DD
D.O.B: 1962
No of current directorships & company secretarials held: 0
11815438 - DAVID ST JOHN WILCE
Address: GUILDFORD, SURREY, GU5 0QL
D.O.B: 1962
No of current directorships & company secretarials held: 2
11815426 - ESTHER WILCE
Address: GUILDFORD, GU5 0QL
D.O.B: 1964
No of current directorships & company secretarials held: 4
If anyone has some spare cash to order the £1 a time reports from Companies House maybe they could post the results on here. I can't afford to throw even small change around these days thanks to David Wilce and Esther Wilce!
Post 329821 by swede on 2010-09-06 13:05:03
Re PGi Volvo Estates ...
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?p=732794#post732794
Their boast on their website that they scour the country looking for the very best cars looks more and more like they scour the country for the worst possible cars that are ready for the knackers yard, give them a clean up, price them as though they were serviced weekly by an F1 pit crew and driven occasionally by nuns, discount them by a large chunk if anyone shows a hint of interest to make them look like a bargain and then their hands are washed of them until the court claim lands on the mat.
Then, if you're lucky, you get your money back. If you're not, they liquidate and hide the money.
In the words of one John Connor "Are we learning yet?".
Thank you fastdave2.
Post 334035 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-27 22:01:02
Hey
recently sold my car to PGI, only having it taxed and mot'd 3 days before hand, hubby is a Mechanic, so we knew the car was mechanically sound they payed me via cheque, two days later we got a call saying they had noticed an injection fault come up on the dash, my husband questioned this and the guy said it was another man that drove the car and he was going to take it for a drive and check it himself, he said he would phone us back he never did.
Few days later the cheque never clears, we phone the bank and find out it was cancelled?
We have had no phone call or letter explaining why, nothing?
Phoned the police they can't do anything, said we have to take the matter up with PGI and take them to a small claims court, in the mean time we are left with no money and no car and no explanation?
PGI farnham have robbed us!
Post 334042 by t5_monkey on 2010-09-27 22:07:46
[quote=pandora2385;334035]Hey
recently sold my car to PGI, only having it taxed and mot'd 3 days before hand, hubby is a Mechanic, so we knew the car was mechanically sound they payed me via cheque, two days later we got a call saying they had noticed an injection fault come up on the dash, my husband questioned this and the guy said it was another man that drove the car and he was going to take it for a drive and check it himself, he said he would phone us back he never did.
Few days later the cheque never clears, we phone the bank and find out it was cancelled?
We have had no phone call or letter explaining why, nothing?
Phoned the police they can't do anything, said we have to take the matter up with PGI and take them to a small claims court, in the mean time we are left with no money and no car and no explanation?
PGI farnham have robbed us![/quote]
Really? That sucks - sorry to hear that, however you'll get lots of support from users on here who have had the same thing happen like swede.
Me personally, I'd take some of my more muscular friends with me and have a polite 'chat' with him and see if he was going to have a change of heart about paying up.
Post 334065 by LiamT4 on 2010-09-27 22:33:56
Sorry to hear about that. I bet you were a bit annoyed when you found this thread.
As is life, you usaully only find out about something when its too late.
Post 334076 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-27 22:54:05
Thanks :)
Was very annoyed when i found this site, we even asked around at other dealers, but PGI were the only ones buying cars at the time, feel so foolish.
Husband went for a sneak earlier and found our car on the forcourt, with a parking meter ticket in the window, so they are clearly using the car to drive about in, which is strange if it has an injection fault? Hubby took a pic, (good hubby)
He is going to go down in the morning in his Army uniform (he thinks this will add to the affect?) and demand our money or car back.
oh and our friend works for trading standards and has given us a number to phone to get, trading standards at this end involved, i will mention to them this forum and the complaints people have made about them and see if that wakes them up.
Post 334176 by wegal on 2010-09-28 13:13:46
Jesus.. this company are bloody unbelievable. They have just stolen a car off you !!
Go down there, collect the keys and collect the car. They cannot refuse you as they have not paid for the goods. The good remain your property until payment has been made. If they refuse... well just pick a really nice car on the lot and start smashing the **** out of it.
If they did this to me there wouldnt be a car left on the lot, Id fire bomb the whole sodding place !!
Bastards !
Post 334216 by JelT5 on 2010-09-28 14:50:35
[quote=wegal;334176]Jesus.. this company are bloody unbelievable. They have just stolen a car off you !!
Go down there, collect the keys and collect the car. They cannot refuse you as they have not paid for the goods. The good remain your property until payment has been made. If they refuse... well just pick a really nice car on the lot and start smashing the **** out of it.
If they did this to me there wouldnt be a car left on the lot, Id fire bomb the whole sodding place !!
Bastards ![/quote]
Very definitely.
Sounds like theft to me- you cannot issue a cheque for goods, take the goods and then cancel the cheque. Surely that must be a criminal offence?
Post 334221 by smithy on 2010-09-28 15:05:28
i would take some big friends down [army friends] and have a polite word in his ear whilst haging him over a 20ft building.or go down there take keys of your car and drive away if they will not give them then call police whilst your polishing your boots on his head mate.
Post 334223 by t5_monkey on 2010-09-28 15:07:16
[quote=pandora2385;334076]Thanks :)
Was very annoyed when i found this site, we even asked around at other dealers, but PGI were the only ones buying cars at the time, feel so foolish.
Husband went for a sneak earlier and found our car on the forcourt, with a parking meter ticket in the window, so they are clearly using the car to drive about in, which is strange if it has an injection fault? Hubby took a pic, (good hubby)
He is going to go down in the morning in his Army uniform (he thinks this will add to the affect?) and demand our money or car back.
oh and our friend works for trading standards and has given us a number to phone to get, trading standards at this end involved, i will mention to them this forum and the complaints people have made about them and see if that wakes them up.[/quote]
Since the cheque has bounced it's still your car.... As far as I'm aware he's in breach of contract and the car is legally still yours even if in his possession.
... aren't you without your rights to just go and recover it? (hire a truck etc..) and get your partner to bring a dozen army fellas off the base he works at with him??
No threats, but if they touch you - or intimate they will harm you in any way, that's assault and you can get the police involved (on your side.) I suspect he'll hand back the keys if there's a gang of you.
If he thinks it's illegal he can sue you back! possession, 9/10ths and all that.
Just get on his property and make it clear you're not going to mess around... I'm sure you'll get it sorted with no need to resort to lengthy court cases, or anything illegal.
Maybe some of the people nearby who've had similar bad experiences or just sympathetic VPC members who live close enough may be willing to Rondezvous with you and go en-masse to help you recover your vehicle?
Post 334241 by wegal on 2010-09-28 15:40:22
Well Ill come down, dont care how far it is this guy is a **** people need to stick together when this sort of stuff happens.
Post 334245 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-28 15:52:40
Thanks everyone for your comments.
Well after reporting him to Trading Standards, Husband took a trip back PGI, when he arrived David was not about, he soon returned and admitted to stopping the cheque, he said he was not going to buy a car that was faulty. (pot, kettle, black!)
Husband then asked if he had been trying to sell the car, he said no as there is no price on it, so husband asked why it was out on the forecourt boot open for the public to have a look at, he replied with "i was airing it out for" PMSL!
So after some debating, a friend of ours noticed hubby getting angry and suggested he take the car for a drive with the on site mechanic to point out the fault.
So off they went, husband made the mechanic drive so he could watch how he drove the car, mechanic drove the car with the clutch half in and foot down on the excelerator causing the injection fault to come up on the dash, then the mechanic said that the front suspension spring had gone and hubby said that was bulls*it as the car had just past an MOT and he is a mechanic himself and knows the car is fine, the mechanic said "well thats what it sounded like" hubby replies "well what it sounds like and actually diagnosing the fault are two different things"
So they get back to sale forecourt and there is abit more of a heated discussion with David and he starts calling my husband liar!? :O
So husband mentions the fact we are now being charged £100 by the bank in charges for the cheque bouncing and he wants him to compensate him for this, David walked off and soon returned with our documents threw them at my husband then shouted at him How Dare You Demand Money From Me!!!! then my husband shouted back, about him being a liar and a fraud and he knew all about him having CCJ'S and oweing loads of money to other customers, David went a little quiet then denied having any CCJ's and oweing any money!
Good news is though we have our car back and will be looking at selling it a little more wisely.
Post 334253 by swede on 2010-09-28 16:14:48
Pandora - sorry to read that you have become another victim. Good luck with Trading Standards - IMO they're useless.
Out of interest, whose name is on the cheque? Is it David Wilce himself? Sue the house off him! Is it one of his liquidated companies? Go to the Police and ask them to do him for fraud.
On another note .... have a look at what I received in the mail last week (attachment). Now I know that PGi Service and Technical Centre is now supposed to be a separate company (although David Wilce WAS listed as a director on a listings website) but it was them who had our car from 9 weeks after purchase until it was scrapped almost two years later following our court victory against PGi and it was Gary Southam himself who sent me the letter I've spoken about threatening to dump the car in the street outside our house after the tax and insurance had expired after I told David Wilce I was taking PGi Farnham to court. Beats me how they manage to get any custom still bearing the PGi moniker and the matching logo, despite claiming to be separate, they are just as bad, IMO. Regular words can't express my reaction to the letter ..... only expletives.
PS September 11 was the first year anniversary of Ben Hayes' court victory against PGi / David Wilce. I am still waiting for my court-ordered money in that case, as well as the £4,192 (plus interest) for our own "successful" claim in February 2007.
Post 334255 by wegal on 2010-09-28 16:19:59
We should have a VPCUK day out... to PGI and go sit outside one nice saturday with some placards telling everyone about them, so long as we stay on public property and dont hassel anyone it would be perfectly legal.
Id be up for it :-)
Post 334256 by swede on 2010-09-28 16:25:45
It appears that you posted again, Pandora, while I was rooting out the letter and scanning it to post above. I'm glad you got the car back and even more glad that you managed to show David Wilce up as the liar he is YET AGAIN. No CCJs? LIAR LIAR DAVID!!!!! Owe no money? LIAR LIAR DAVID!
Yet more evidence of the man's unsuitability to run an errand, let alone a company.
Glad you also managed to detect that it was the mechanic's driving and not the car at fault. That would seem to me to be deliberately provoking a fault to excuse what boils down to what you and the others have been saying, an attempt at theft, which thankfully in this case was not successful. I hope you sue him for the bank charges incurred so that you are not out of pocket. I also hope that you make a point of telling your story to EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
I wish there had been such support for me here at the beginning. It took at fight with Justin for everyone to finally see David Wilce is a nasty piece of work.
Post 334266 by JelT5 on 2010-09-28 16:43:31
The letter you received from PGI beggars belief...
I really hope you manage to recover the £4k plus that you're owed.
Good luck!
Post 334270 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-28 16:49:56
I would be up for sitting outside there place, have plenty of friends who would join in too.
It was David Wilce who's name was on the cheque, which we recieved back in the post this morning from the bank with payment stopped! stamped across it.
We were told by Trading standards that if we try to take him to court it could take years for us to get the money back, as he already owes money and has CCJ's.
David Wilce was trying to get my husband to retaliate and hit him, by saying all the right things to get him angry, by repeatedly calling him a liar, but luckily my friend was there to hold him back.
I'm glad it all happened out on the forecourt for anyone passing by to see.
I think a message to Rogue Traders at Watch dog is called for.
Post 334276 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-28 17:11:44
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=116533238362889&v=wall&ref=search
Found this group on facebook.
Think i'm going to start my own to warn people off them.
Post 334279 by swede on 2010-09-28 17:26:44
[quote=JelT5;334266]The letter you received from PGI beggars belief...
I really hope you manage to recover the £4k plus that you're owed.
Good luck![/quote]
Not much chance of that JelT5 - it's been three and a half years since we got our Court Order in our own claim. It wasn't just us they diddled out of money when they liquidated PGi Farnham - they owed a fortune in tax as well - I forget how much - £80k? maybe more, and he told bare-faced lies to the JUDGE which in my book is perjury but no-one cares. And that's only the one liquidated company - there have been more - liquidated, dissolved, struck-off the register - you name it, he's done it. One day someone will snap and he'll be sorry. I content myself with making sure he loses many times what I did. He's too stubborn to see that's the case. I've told him I'll stop posting when he pays up. Who has kept this alive over the past four years? Crossing us has cost him far more than it's cost us. I know he can afford it, but one day it won't just be money he loses. Someone WILL sue the mansion out from under him, or he'll get on the wrong side of the wrong person and it won't be money or possessions he'll be missing!
I'm trying to get the letter attachment to show bigger - anyone got any ideas how?
Post 334281 by swede on 2010-09-28 17:32:54
[quote=pandora2385;334276]http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=116533238362889&v=wall&ref=search
Found this group on facebook.
Think i'm going to start my own to warn people off them.[/quote]
Sounds like a good idea. I'm not a member, or interested in being one, but it sounds like a good idea, to get the message across. After all, only Volvo people or angry customers are going to be looking on here having Googled them.
Go Pandora!
Post 334295 by siamblue on 2010-09-28 18:18:21
Surely if you have a court battle, then can you not do what companies do and get the balliffs in to remove their goods?
Gary.
Post 334301 by swede on 2010-09-28 18:49:54
Of course you can, if there are any assets. If the Company in question liquidates the company, or at least tells the Judge that it ceased trading and produces bank statements to show no assets (cause they'd all been transferred to the other company no doubt, which promptly liquidated as well) then you're just one of the creditors hoping for a crumb. With creditors owed more than £111k and most of it being to the taxman, and no assets we didn't get a penny. Bailiffs can't take stuff that belongs to another company. Now he's a sole trader you can sue him personally and then take his own assets, but you can't take what a company has disposed of when they knew they were being taken to court, even though on the court documents you have to tell them that you're going to. It stinks but that's how it works. He'd rather liquidate a company and start another one than pay off a creditor and of course it's cheaper to start a new company when you owe £111,000. The problem is he does it serially and no body has the guts or the teeth to do a thing about it.
Post 334317 by frostytel on 2010-09-28 19:36:40
Have just read this thread and have been the wrong end of this serial liquidation myself ........... looks like they are praying on students who wont have either the experiance or money to take him to court when he does the same to them ........ all a bit scummy if you ask me (trying to be polite here ) .. i trod in something that resembled him the other day the piece of sh...................
Post 334322 by pandora2385 on 2010-09-28 19:48:07
Right
i have submitted my story to watchdog and also told them about David Wilce and his CCJ's and liquidations, so i am hoping they will contact me back.
Could ask that if you already have not maybe some of you guys might want to write to them and tell them your story too, i reckon the more people that do the more of a chance there is of them doing a story about him on the show?
It took me 5 minuets to do.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/
Many Thanks
Post 334548 by swede on 2010-09-29 11:34:21
[quote=pandora2385;334270]We were told by Trading standards that if we try to take him to court it could take years for us to get the money back, as he already owes money and has CCJ's.[/quote]
What exactly is Trading Standards for? They know all the bad stuff he's done, for years. THEY contacted ME in the first place as I'd been in touch with Consumer Direct. I filled in their questionnaires and kept them up to date and half the time they couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge emails and they have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop other people being ripped-off over several years despite evidence of their wrongdoings. If all they can do is tell people not to bother taking them to court as it'll take years then what exactly is the point of them? They must cost a lot of money and if they aren't doing what they're supposed to then basically they are a rip-off too! I think we should be reporting Trading Standards to Trading Standards.
Oh, and BTW I wouldn't hold my breath about hearing from Watchdog - they never replied to me.
Post 334558 by swede on 2010-09-29 13:01:30
[quote=frostytel;334317]Have just read this thread and have been the wrong end of this serial liquidation myself ........... looks like they are praying on students who wont have either the experiance or money to take him to court when he does the same to them ........ all a bit scummy if you ask me (trying to be polite here ) .. i trod in something that resembled him the other day the piece of sh...................[/quote]
When you say the above, do you mean serial liquidation in general or this particular series of PGi companies? If it's PGi, please can you post your story. Actually I'd be interested anyway as I believe this should not be allowable in law. If you fail in running one company you should not be allowed to start another similar business as it's simply a way of writing off your debts and responsibilities and starting afresh. (We don't have that option. If people bankrupt themselves it has a serious effect on their lives and finances for years to come.) This is not fair to the honest competition, or to those creditors who get nothing each time a failed company liquidates. Especially when most potential customers are not even aware that there has been a series of failed companies as, in the case of PGi, the location and signage doesn't even change and the assets that are claimed not to exist to pay the creditors are just transferred. PGi Farnham Limited listed approximately £250k worth of cars on their website and then suddenly there was nothing to pay out the £111k owed to creditors and they were calling themselves PGi Volvo Estates Ltd although the website still said PGi Farnham Limited, and PGi Farnham's what they have been reported on here as saying when answering the 'phone.
Would you knowingly do business, for a large sum of money, with a company that has cheated customers and failed to pay its debts by just writing them off by closing the company and starting another one? Time something was done in company law to stop this. If a person failed at one business, whether intentionally or accidentally, why would they, just by changing its name, miraculously succeed the next time? Why should the customers pay for their failures?
Post 334562 by t5_monkey on 2010-09-29 13:39:08
What can we do to stop this pirate ???
I'm talking about legal, sensible.... a day out for VPC members to drop by... browse, and all mention you're hear because you've heard about all the CCJ's and fraud he's committed!!
How about ringing him up every day and asking about this thread and the CCJ's? If 20 people ring up on 20 consecutive days and ask politely what's going on... I think he may start getting the message.
Legal, non-violent coordinated action to put a stop to this joker??? ideas please!
Post 334593 by wegal on 2010-09-29 16:27:46
Lets have a day out down there. Hand out lemons with PGI written on them to everyone who passes. Its funny so it will get people talking, contact the local papers to let them know we will be there, mayb even the local TV news ? We would need a good attendance though.. 20 + people, with that many we would need to notify the local police as well... they react better to demo's when they are expecting them.
So long as we stay off his property and dont abuse / hassel anyone, or prevent any one accessing his business its all legal. The local paparatse will love it so it should make the local TV news. Now thats some serious damage to any business !
Not the first time ive done this.... the lemons usually get a good laugh from the public.
Post 334708 by swede on 2010-09-29 22:49:28
Farnham Herald has already printed 3 stories - not sure if they'd be up for more. Surrey Advertiser is practically subsidised by his car adverts so they wouldn't be interested. I've already been in contact with them about them, but if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have a motoring section - every time I've looked 90% of the ads have been PGi. With all the dozens of websites he uses (now including Facebook) to sell his cars I don't know how he makes any money on them - oh that's right, everyone said from the start they were all overpriced.
I'm game though, if more people are. I've done the t-shirts and the hanging around showing potential customers the newspaper stories and telling them the stories but all I got for it was falsely accused By David Wilce (Davey263) on here of all kinds of things. He wasn't even there. I spoke to his minion. He even said that my husband was with me and we abused his staff - my husband was at work 60 miles away! LIAR LIAR DAVID! I was alone.
Post 334718 by t5_monkey on 2010-09-29 23:07:45
[quote=swede;334708]Farnham Herald has already printed 3 stories - not sure if they'd be up for more. Surrey Advertiser is practically subsidised by his car adverts so they wouldn't be interested. I've already been in contact with them about them, but if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have a motoring section - every time I've looked 90% of the ads have been PGi. With all the dozens of websites he uses (now including Facebook) to sell his cars I don't know how he makes any money on them - oh that's right, everyone said from the start they were all overpriced.
I'm game though, if more people are. I've done the t-shirts and the hanging around showing potential customers the newspaper stories and telling them the stories but all I got for it was falsely accused By David Wilce (Davey263) on here of all kinds of things. He wasn't even there. I spoke to his minion. He even said that my husband was with me and we abused his staff - my husband was at work 60 miles away! LIAR LIAR DAVID! I was alone.[/quote]
Surely watchdog would be interested in all this?
Post 334753 by siamblue on 2010-09-30 00:40:20
Should do a demo outside his house, that would be embarrasing for him in front of his rich neighbours,
Gary
Post 334808 by swede on 2010-09-30 09:58:29
[quote=t5_monkey;334718]Surely watchdog would be interested in all this?[/quote]
Well, we'll wait and see. I already sent my story and so has Pandora.
Post 334812 by swede on 2010-09-30 10:10:40
[quote=siamblue;334753]Should do a demo outside his house, that would be embarrasing for him in front of his rich neighbours,
Gary[/quote]
I really think he's too rhino-skinned to give a toss. You would think he would worry that his neighbours would read about his antics - but it hasn't stopped him so far. High walls and large plots mean maybe he doesn't mix with the neighbours. Anyone having anything to do with him would have to be related or paid.
Have you checked out his house then? I have. Not much passing traffic to see a demo. I think they're all too rich to need to leave their houses. He's like the cowboy builder on last night's show - lives in a mansion, but deserves to live in a cell.
It's a lovely place for an outing though, Wonersh Park, I'll be up for that too, if we can get a crowd.
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Post 335250 by pookie on 2010-10-01 20:14:12
I read the letter you received from PGI Service and Technical Centre with some interest. It appears that the guy who signed the letter, Gary Southam has, among his qualifications, Membership of the Institute of the Motor Industry ( MIMI ) and LAE which is awarded by the institute. As a member myself, I know that the Institute expects an extremely high level of professionalism from its members. ( See where I'm going ).
The Institute of the Motor Industry
Fanshaws
Brickendon
Herts.
SG13 8PQ
Salut!
Pookie
Post 335342 by swede on 2010-10-02 00:04:49
I see you've been reading, Justin. Have you had any more emails from demented davey? I could do with a laugh. Buying a car and then stopping the cheque. Allegedly (as they say on HIGNFY). Another low from him.
Salut-u2-pookie! I get your drift. On it.
Post 349932 by Grateful on 2010-12-09 19:15:09
I've joined this forum just to say thank you to Swede!
I'm looking for a new car at the moment, and was very interested in one advertised on autotrader by pgi in Farnham. I'm really grateful that I googled them (as I've done with all dealers I've seen advertising, to see whether anything damning comes up) - as I found your posts on an earlier thread about them.
Thank you for stopping me making a potentially very expensive mistake!
I emailed them this:
was going to visit your company to look at a car you've got advertised on autotrader. Luckily (for me) I googled your company first, and came across some information about you on a forum. If that's how you treat your customers, then I'm not going to be one of them!
I hope you (and everyone else he's shafted) eventually get your money back. But if not, at least you've cost him a lot of business and saved some people some money and heartache!
Merry Christmas. :) :santawave
Post 349933 by stephenevans99 on 2010-12-09 19:17:49
Well Done......Going off what has been said about their customer service and business practice, you've had a narrow escape !!!! I hope Swede gets to here this news, she'll be made up !!
Post 350154 by dicky b t5 on 2010-12-11 10:21:25
How about an update on this Swede.
Has anyone heard back from WatchDog yet or anything.
Dicky.
Post 350522 by swede on 2010-12-14 14:40:00
Nothing to update from me, sadly. I AM "made up" :partysmil that someone else has been saved from probable disaster, and especially that another spate of posts has followed because of it. I don't check the forum very often these days (since clearly his business now sells countless marques and you can't join everything and spend time posting the same old stuff and getting the same reaction I did (at first) without losing the will to live). However, I do check for PGi on the Board Reader site now and again and that's how I saw the new posts. Just one new post now and again keeps David Wilce and PGi Farnham popping up on searches and that makes me very happy. As long as people keep posting business will be lost.
I wonder how much money he's lost so far by crossing me? Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
[COLOR="Red"]HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY MOTORING TO ALL OF YOU! [/COLOR]
TAKE CARE ESPECIALLY IN THE SNOW AND REMEMBER, TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS TO STEER CLEAR OF PGI AND DAVID WILCE.
Post 350898 by brianp on 2010-12-17 08:21:38
Something you guys might be interested in, www.insolvency.gov.uk search under disqualified Directors for wilce, on 12/07/10 he was struct off the list of Directors for seven years for reason listed on the site. Check out the restrictions that are now placed on him regarding running a business / management etc. having vsited the sales site on the guildford road farnham posing as an interested party for one of his vehicles, he still has an office & was barking his orders to his employees, it might be worth thinking about phone calls to the authorities to inform them of whats going on>>>>
Post 350929 by swede on 2010-12-17 14:50:46
http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/databases/ddirector/viewdisqdirectorcasedetails2.asp?compno=04345603
or, since it's nice to see it in print ...
[COLOR="Red"]"This information is correct as at 12/07/2010
DAVID ST JOHN Wilce 21/10/1962
Undertaking 12/07/2010
7 Years 0 Month(s) 02/08/2010 01/08/2017
PGI Volvo Estates Limited 04345603
Sale of motor vehicles Acre House
11/15 William Road
London
Creditors Voluntary liquidation £97,130.00
Mellersh Hill Road
Wonersh
Guildford
1. He failed to ensure that PGI Volvo Estates Limited (“PGI”) maintained adequate accounting records for the period 1 August 2006 to 25 April 2008 or, in the alternative, he failed to preserve and/or deliver up such records to the liquidators as were maintained as follows: • There are no records of vehicle purchases between 7 September 2007 and 23 July 2008 apart from 3 vehicles in June 2008. • There are no sales records for the period 23 November 2007 to 23 July 2008 and it has not been possible to determine PGI’s stock levels after 12 June 2008. • It is not possible to accurately determine VAT due for the period 7 September 2007 to 23 July 2008. • It has not been possible to determine when PGI commenced trading. • There is no record of the receipt of £781,205 for sales recorded during September and October 2006 or £26,423 for sales recorded between 12 June and 17 June 2008. • It has not been possible to determine the directors loan account position nor confirm whether there is any outstanding liability due to the investor/employee of PGI “A”. 2. He caused PGI to trade to the detriment of HM Revenue & Customs between 1 May 2007 and 23 July 2008 and failed to ensure that PGI met its statutory obligations to file Value Added Tax (“VAT”) returns, to make timely payments to HMRC of VAT, Pay As You Earn (“PAYE”) income tax and National Insurance Contributions (“NIC”) and to submit annual financial statements to Companies House as follows: Trading to the Detriment of HMRC • Between 1 August 2006 and 23 July 2008, the entire period of PGI’s trading, PGI made total payments of VAT due amounting to £14,987 against a total assessed liability of £104,309 leaving a final liability for VAT of £89,323. If the payments are set off against the earliest possible liability, the VAT periods 09/06 and 12/06 are fully paid and the 03/07 period is partially paid. This became due for payment by 30 April 2007 at the latest. • Between 1 August 2006 and 23 July 2008, PGI made payments of £3,226.54 against a total PAYE/NIC liability - based on P35 returns submitted to HMRC for the tax years 2006/07 and 2007/08 of £14,813.23, leaving a balance due of £11,587. PGI’s records show that a further liability for PAYE/NIC of £1,486 is due for 2008/09 and the total amount due is therefore £13,072 • Total outstanding liabilities to trade creditors at the date PGI entered liquidation was £635.04. The statement of affairs shows that £85,000 is due to an investor/employee “A” in the company, but there is no record of this sum having been invested in PGI and “A” has not submitted a proof of debt. Statements of the bank account used by PGI show total payments over the course of its trading amounting to £3,740,582 of which a total of £18,214 was paid to HMRC. Therefore HMRC was treated detrimentally compared with other creditors. Failure to Comply with Statutory Obligations • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligations to file accurate VAT returns and make timely payments of VAT in periods 09/06 to 09/08 inclusive. These periods represent the entirety of the company’s trading life. • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligations to pay over PAYE/NIC contributions in a timely fashion throughout its trading history. • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligation to file financial statements with Companies House for years ending 30 November 2004, 30 November 2005 and 30 November 2006."
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That feels good. Last time I checked this he wasn't listed. Couldn't understand why. Thank you Insolvency Service. It took a long time and a lot of trouble. Probably won't make much of a difference to him until the rules are changed so that all the creditors of the liquidated companies are able to get their money back from his personal assets. No-one can blame a company that fails if it did its utmost to trade properly and treat customers properly but was thwarted by events beyond its control. Regulations should be in place, however, against companies running up debts and then serially liquidating, not paying their creditors and starting again doing the same business, with the same (or different) premises, with the same (or different) staff and the same sloppy practices and shoddy goods and getting away with it again and again. We're worse off for taking him to Court, even though we won, and that should not be the case. EVER.
Thank you Brian. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: - and THANK YOU SANTA!
Just going to check into his Missus now, since she was a co-Director and Company Secretary of at least ONE of the failed companies.
Post 357555 by spikeydog on 2011-01-31 19:41:51
Hello
i should introduce myself as the muppet that purchased a car from said garage, watched the brakes disintegrate less than a week after purchase, then went to court and won.
I would not have been able to do any of this without Swede's massive help. So thank you.
I don't want to rant but i feel i must say, that going through the process of a legal challenge really taught me that the law really is a complete ass. The people don't have a chance and the data protection laws totally restrict us and government agencies (HMRC, Trading Standards, The Courts etc) from talking to one another and dealing with situations like all of the messages of woe above, before they affected us.
Swede has messaged everything i'm about to say. So i'll keep it short, how many companies must you dissolve, liquidate, what ever the method of failure before companies house say you're a risk lets watch you? How much tax do you not have to pay till HMRC will take action? How many cars with serious defects can one sell before someone is seriously hurt or killed? Only for them to say "if someone had told us we would have done something about it!".
We've told them, who will listen?
Post 357581 by t5_monkey on 2011-01-31 20:44:11
Well done mate - one for the small guy!
Post 358650 by swede on 2011-02-06 00:04:18
Great news Spikey. Well said.
Coincidentally, it's 6 years ago today since we purchased what would, very shortly after, reveal itself to be a well valeted piece of cr4p from one of those many cr4p PGi Farnham companies run by that piece of garbage now struck off. Sadly most people are still not aware since a drive-by shows no difference except the multi-marque stock now being offloaded onto an unsuspecting public. Still no money back for us, despite our CCJs.
Details, please, Spikey .....
Post 371381 by swede on 2011-04-08 23:12:40
......... and six years ago tomorrow since the f**king heap of useless crap came to a sudden halt on the A3 and never again moved on its own "steam".
Thanks for that PGi. Just carry on under whatever new name you fancy, selling crap that lasts for just a few weeks if you're lucky (but maybe just a few days, or even a few hours), for thousands of pounds, and having a little giggle about how you've got away with it yet again. Hilarious, if possibly deadly. One day the karma will get you back for all the crap you've sold and all the lies you've told.
One day, YOUR SH*T WILL COME! And someone will make you EAT IT!
Post 376815 by martin_v70t5se on 2011-05-08 21:59:07
oh dear i just realized my volvo came from him originally see pic for the recipt of sale
Post 377678 by swede on 2011-05-13 12:21:18
oh dear indeed. Can't really see much but the dreaded PGi logo. Was it PGi Farnham Limited or some other equally sh*t PGi company? What date did you buy the car? Have you become another victim of this scum outfit? Details please.
Post 386225 by swede on 2011-06-13 13:14:08
He's even scarpering from his fancy house now - must have yet another bunch of creditors after him .......
Post 405447 by swede on 2011-08-23 16:06:36
Aaaah! Seems the house is still for sale - no-one wants it. Probably too worried it'll fall down a week after moving in! HAHAHAHA!
Post 408155 by swede on 2011-09-05 17:35:10
DAH Investments (the PGi Farnham company that was struck off without ever even filing any accounts) seems (according to this site) to also have been breaching H&S regulations before it was dissolved ...
http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/06585774
Notice on that page that another DAH Investments Limited started up earlier this year (link on above page - company has registered office listed as being in Stanmore but that means nothing - it could be a new accountant's office address).
Wonder if David Wilce is breaching his director ban????? He's shown scant regard for rules so far .....
Post 466071 by swede on 2012-02-23 15:57:23
[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]FIVE LONG YEARS NOW SINCE I GOT MY CCJ AGAINST PGI FARNHAM LTD AND, SURPRISE SURPRISE, NOT A PENNY HAS BEEN PAID OF THE £4,200 ALDERSHOT AND FARNHAM COURT ORDERED.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
David Wilce claimed the company ceased trading in July 2006 but seven months later he was found to have sold a car with paperwork in the name of PGi Farnham Ltd, which resulted in another CCJ obtained by Ben Hayes - the car exhibited faults on the way home from Wilce's premises.
He lies and gets away with not paying his debts. Wish I had the same option.
Don't buy anything from PGi premises in Farnham if you know what is good for you.
Post 466073 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-23 16:03:47
Would this not be a good time to involve the likes of BBC Watchdog?
Post 466089 by zoidberg on 2012-02-23 17:02:17
Were the injuctions against the individual or the company ??????
If company, then if they've gone bust it looks like you'll just have to whistle
Post 466120 by swede on 2012-02-23 18:44:55
Wobbly - Watchdog didn't reply but there is another interested TV party. You may well yet see his ugly mug splashed all over prime time TV.
Yes it was the company Zoidberg, and they had c£250k of cars on their website for sale one day and then they had the same cars but were trading under another name and claimed in court and in writing in papers to the court, that they had no assets. Might that sneaky change be because they owed £111k, most of it in tax??? Pretty expensive whistle for me. I've known from day one he wasn't going to pay the CCJ, the lying sc*mbag, but if I don't keep posting regularly then how are new potential suckers going to know?
I'm happy to keep pointing out what he's been up to, and with a bit of luck losing him loads of customers in the process. If on the other hand he decided to pay up I might forget he even exists and eventually, since no-one else out of the many who have had problems with him and his companies has continued to remind people, if he kept his nose clean and behaved like a human being he might redeem himself. Pigs might also fly.
Meanwhile, there's always that TV possibility. Anyone else interested in adding their tales of PGi woe, PM me, if I haven't already PM'd you..
Post 466239 by t5_monkey on 2012-02-23 21:12:52
This guy is very lucky he's gotten away with merely being sued so far....
Why can't people just be honest?!
Hope you get your money back :)
Post 471064 by swede on 2012-03-06 14:31:48
Alexander St. John Wilce (Born: 6 December 1991) and Harry Paul Wilce (Born: 11 October 1995) must be SO proud!
Post 479156 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-30 07:47:40
Perhaps a debt recovery agency would take up this debt and peruse it ?
Post 479480 by PaulZX on 2012-03-31 00:32:15
swede, you have way more patience than I.
You've dealt with this in a manner that shows your determination and maturity.
I'd have got some local youths to terrorise the crap out of him and his business, then probably set fire to his yard....
Childish and immature, yes, but in my defense, I am a man. ;)
Post 484942 by swede on 2012-04-11 17:01:35
Thank you for your kind words. That's what I'd have LIKED to do but then I, and the aforementioned youths, would be in a cell that has Wilce's name on. One day he'll be in it .....
He's not worth risking liberty over, come to that he's not even worth p*ssing on but it's fun.
t5monkey - sadly it's a PGi Farnham Limited debt and David Wilce claimed in court that particular company ceased trading in July 2006 (coincidentally, shortly after I informed him I was taking them to Court). Of course spanky spangler would dispute that claim, as he bought a car and warranty from PGi Farnham Limited in 2007, only a week before I got my CCJ. He paid cash as well, so although Wilce claimed there were no PGi Farnham Limited assets (yeah right - £250k of cars on the website, no changes at the premises, but by then using another name) spanky spangler's purchase money at least had come in SINCE the declaration of no assets in documents to the Court so where did that money go? They had no bank account in that name (Wilce's Director's statement to the liquidator stated that their banking facilities had been withdrawn by Barclays) so I guess it was just trousered, thereby cheating HMRC and me, again!
If I had sued David Wilce, rather than PGi Farnham Limited, I could have sent in a Bailiff to his mansion. Hope you all learn from my lesson.
By the way, there is a company I've been contacted about through a user on here, called Sterling Cars in Bath Road Reading. The user is having problems with them and is in touch with Trading Standards. Guess what? The proprietor's name is David Wilce. Might not be the infamous PGi David Wilce, but consider the evidence ..... (1) Car company (2) Having problems resulting in contact with Trading Standards (3) Name of proprietor is David Wilce. Coincidence? I'm not incurring more expenses obtaining documents from Companies House to find out. I've lost enough. I'll leave it to your goodselves to be careful out there.
Post 535102 by swede on 2012-09-05 16:01:43
Sorry - I know this is bad forum etiquette, but I had to bump this thread in case some newbies aren't aware of this disreputable business run under many different names - currently all over the local Surrey newspaper classified sections like a rash as "PGi Garage".Please be VERY careful and Google PGi Farnham and David Wilce and/or David St John Wilce before you even entertain the notion of visiting their premises. Read all the threads, not just the top few. No matter how good the ad looks it's not worth seven years (so far) waiting to get your money back from them. You probably think the Courts will help. They will help you get the CCJ. You won't get your money. He'll shut down the company and start again under another name. You probably thin Trading Standards will keep them in line. They have no teeth. He promises he'll be a good boy and they file the complaints away.He is a banned director, until 2017, and they don't ban people for 7 years without good reason. The reasons were listed on the Companies House website, but I believe the link doesn't work anymore. They have been reproduced on here, in full, for anyone who care to search or contact me and I will find it and re-post on here.Happy motoring - but not in a PGi car!
Post 538051 by swede on 2012-09-23 22:58:01
Found my record of the striking off from Companies House website:
[COLOR=#0000cd]WILCE'S STRIKE OFF
[SIZE=4]"This information is correct as at 12/07/2010
DAVID ST JOHN Wilce 21/10/1962 [I][DOB]
[/I]Undertaking 12/07/2010
[Struck off for] 7 Years 0 Month(s) 02/08/2010 01/08/2017
PGI Volvo Estates Limited 04345603
Sale of motor vehicles Acre House 11/15 William Road London [I][liquidator's address]
[/I]Creditors Voluntary liquidation £97,130.00
Mellersh Hill Road
Wonersh
Guildford [I][Wilce's address]
[/I]
1. He failed to ensure that PGI Volvo Estates Limited (“PGI”) maintained adequate accounting records for the period 1 August 2006 to 25 April 2008 or, in the alternative, he failed to preserve and/or deliver up such records to the liquidators as were maintained as follows: • There are no records of vehicle purchases between 7 September 2007 and 23 July 2008 apart from 3 vehicles in June 2008. • There are no sales records for the period 23 November 2007 to 23 July 2008 and it has not been possible to determine PGI’s stock levels after 12 June 2008. • It is not possible to accurately determine VAT due for the period 7 September 2007 to 23 July 2008. • It has not been possible to determine when PGI commenced trading. • There is no record of the receipt of £781,205 for sales recorded during September and October 2006 or £26,423 for sales recorded between 12 June and 17 June 2008. • It has not been possible to determine the directors loan account position nor confirm whether there is any outstanding liability due to the investor/employee of PGI “A”.
2. He caused PGI to trade to the detriment of HM Revenue & Customs between 1 May 2007 and 23 July 2008 and failed to ensure that PGI met its statutory obligations to file Value Added Tax (“VAT”) returns, to make timely payments to HMRC of VAT, Pay As You Earn (“PAYE”) income tax and National Insurance Contributions (“NIC”) and to submit annual financial statements to Companies House as follows: Trading to the Detriment of HMRC • Between 1 August 2006 and 23 July 2008, the entire period of PGI’s trading, PGI made total payments of VAT due amounting to £14,987 against a total assessed liability of £104,309 leaving a final liability for VAT of £89,323. If the payments are set off against the earliest possible liability, the VAT periods 09/06 and 12/06 are fully paid and the 03/07 period is partially paid. This became due for payment by 30 April 2007 at the latest. • Between 1 August 2006 and 23 July 2008, PGI made payments of £3,226.54 against a total PAYE/NIC liability - based on P35 returns submitted to HMRC for the tax years 2006/07 and 2007/08 of £14,813.23, leaving a balance due of £11,587. PGI’s records show that a further liability for PAYE/NIC of £1,486 is due for 2008/09 and the total amount due is therefore £13,072 • Total outstanding liabilities to trade creditors at the date PGI entered liquidation was £635.04.
The statement of affairs shows that £85,000 is due to an investor/employee “A” in the company, but there is no record of this sum having been invested in PGI and “A” has not submitted a proof of debt. Statements of the bank account used by PGI show total payments over the course of its trading amounting to £3,740,582 of which a total of £18,214 was paid to HMRC. Therefore HMRC was treated detrimentally compared with other creditors. Failure to Comply with Statutory Obligations • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligations to file accurate VAT returns and make timely payments of VAT in periods 09/06 to 09/08 inclusive. These periods represent the entirety of the company’s trading life. • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligations to pay over PAYE/NIC contributions in a timely fashion throughout its trading history. • He failed to ensure that PGI fulfilled its statutory obligation to file financial statements with Companies House for years ending 30 November 2004, 30 November 2005 and 30 November 2006."
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Post 538052 by swede on 2012-09-23 23:05:55
Note that that was the manner in which he ran PGi (Volvo Estates) Limited, liquidating it shortly after liquidating PGi Farnham Ltd, (which owed over £100,000, most of THAT to HMRC, but a chunk of it to ME).
Following that he started DAH Investments Ltd which was struck off the Companies Register a couple of years after its creation as it had not filed ANY accounts or Returns as is the law. He probably thought he would get away with not bothering, as Companies House had failed to prosecute, fine or strike off the previous two above-mentioned companies, despite them not having filed accounts or Returns for about 6 years!
If anyone deals with them having read of their history they are certifiably bonkers.
Post 615434 by martina on 2013-06-10 23:15:36
He currently repairs written off cars in an illegally built paint shop without ventilation or planning permission at the rear of his Guildford road premises. He has just given one of his customers a loan car with no mot, the poor man was arrested and the car impounded. Mr Wilce what a scumbag you are!
Post 760186 by swede on 2015-02-19 12:40:45
[QUOTE=martina;615434]He currently repairs written off cars in an illegally built paint shop without ventilation or planning permission at the rear of his Guildford road premises. He has just given one of his customers a loan car with no mot, the poor man was arrested and the car impounded. Mr Wilce what a scumbag you are![/QUOTE]
I wondered if you would post anything on the site after you PM'd me, Martina. Thanks for that. Just checked in for the first time in a couple of years and was pleased to see you posted. Would love to hear if there was any outcome to this - did the dear delightful [not] Mr Wilce at last get his collar felt?
This just gets better and better ...... http://www.cardealerwatchdog.com/pgi-garage-in-farnham-review/ and http://www.yell.com/biz/masons-service-centre-farnham-777518/
Post 760192 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-02-19 15:24:42
Can't you use the Sherriffs to get your money back?
Post 760198 by swede on 2015-02-19 16:04:53
Because the company no longer exists - he liquidated it when we gave notice of claim. Spanky spangler got his money by amending his own claim whilst in process, to include Wilce personally as a defendant, as well as the company, as he had dealt with Wilce during his own duff car purchase. (We only dealt with Wilce after the car failed as he was the managing director.) This was allowed as I attended court with him and gave a witness statement and showed evidence about my own claim which I won but was not paid. This evidence meant the judge allowed the claim to include him personally so that he would pay his court-ordered debt if Spanky won, which he did. With his own name added to Spanky's claim, if Wilce had not paid up Spanky could have sent bailiffs to collect the money owed, or forced the sale of his mansion in Wonersh. We did not have that option as we only had the name PGi Farnham Limited on the court order. With the company liquidated and Wilce claiming in the liquidation that there were no assets (ha ha - £250k of cars sat on the forecourts under another company name), none of the creditors were paid - £100k was to HMRC and they didn't get their money either. It sucks but that, apparently, is the twisted way the law works. You go to the trouble and expense of suing for the money and in the process trying to weed out these rogues but if they can afford all the dodgy advice on how to wriggle out of paying their debts then they get to keep doing it and the people who have been sh*t on are the ones out of pocket again. Out of the three parties to this he came out the same (cost him nothing and his reputation couldn't be worse) the court system got my fees, and I lost even more in the process of trying to get the original money back. It stinks, so that is why I was so keen to save others from the same fate. Seems like it's still going on, though, judging by what I've seen today. Making old men cry, getting people arrested driving illegal cars he supplied, the list of things I found out today goes on and on ...... Only a couple more years and he'll be un-banned as a director. Watch out for more start-up companies that file no accounts, pay no tax and sell shoddy cars. If there was any such thing as karma .......
Post 783483 by swede on 2015-08-27 17:25:36
.... and STILL IT GOES ON!!!!!
https://www.yell.com/biz/pgi-garage-farnham-8232501/#reviews
Post 783533 by MIKESC70T5 on 2015-08-27 20:35:06
6 years on and your still banging on about this. Life's short, just move on :smile:
Post 783640 by swede on 2015-08-28 16:09:26
Already have, but was reminded when I was sent a link to the review. Hadn't given the scumbag a thought for a long time. I heard he's in trouble though. Serves the little b*stard right.
Post 783642 by jamesy12345 on 2015-08-28 16:47:33
It looks like there is no hope of the guy changing or having any other skills apart from ripping people off
The only way people like this (parasites) continue to make a living is by the ripped off buyers forgetting about it
I try to forgive but never forget
Post 810674 by swede on 2017-03-24 12:10:22
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Just a quick note to remind people, and inform new people to this site, that David Wilce's 7-year ban from being a company director due to his conduct with just one of the many companies he liquidated with huge debts (and at least once or twice with tax unpaid) is due to expire at the end of July this year. Hope none of you have forgotten and do not do any business with an unknown car company without checking whether he is behind it. I gather PGi is still trading although I don't know if it is from the same premises as I live counties away from the area now. I guess he will do another start-up in August as a limited company serves to protect his personal assets more than people suing him under his own name when things inevitably go spectacularly wrong. Beware, and check companies out before doing business with them.
Does anyone know the contact details for "Martina" as I was sent SO MUCH dirt on David Wilce from "her" in a couple of PMs, which unfortunately I can't repeat in case it was a ruse. I would love to get an update, or see a post from "her" as to where her claims are at the moment, or if resolved, see her story on here in black and white for you all to see. It makes my own story sound like a bedtime story from the Brothers Grimm!
If the Webmaster or Moderator know her details perhaps she could be contacted with this post attached, as she may be set to receive email notifications of PMs.
Thank you. And please pass the word along to all your friends and acquaintances as he is selling all brands nowadays, not just Volvos! Bump this from time to time, especially near the expiration of Wilce's ban.