Huge speeding fines, coming to the UK?

Post 280381 by Bob France on 2010-01-10 00:20:15

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse for drivers in the UK,it has now been touted that the"government"might take up the mantle of the Swiss,and start using wealth related fines to deter speeding motorists as per the case of a bloke in Switzerland who last week was fined[and I kid you not], 290,000 euros or 180,000 pounds.Apparently,he had been nicked before for speeding and he did try to wriggle out of it by saying he had diplomatic immunity,but all the same,he was only breaking a speeding law. If the govt get their way you could end up on the wrong end of a serious fine just because you ain't a chav on the dole with a saxo who couldn't string two words together other than "you know wot I mean innit". I hope, that along with the "victim" tax,this doesn't make legislation, keep your eyes open for this latest episode of legalised govt theft!!!

Post 280387 by cameron on 2010-01-10 00:29:50

My elderly neighbour was telling me about this the other day :grumpy: Apparently they can even jail people for really big speeds, there was a biker jailed for 12 months for getting caught at 130mph. Which is fair i think especially when you find out it was on a busy motorway at 8pm :yikes:

Post 280399 by t5 pete on 2010-01-10 00:46:29

whats the rules at he mo Is it up to 20mph over you get 3 points and 60 fine After that is ban i think im most likley way wrong

Post 280404 by Tomcat on 2010-01-10 00:53:28

Talk about getting money off you anyway they can....It's like living in a bloody dictatorship!!, think it's about time I left for Cananda.

Post 280408 by cameron on 2010-01-10 00:58:01

Dont quote me on this pete bit i think ( i recall an episode of road wars ) any speed over the limit is dealt with by fine and points up till 98mph. Anything over that is deemed to be very serious in which case it has to be forwarded to the judicial system ( courts )

Post 280411 by t5 pete on 2010-01-10 01:01:14

im going to buy my own island shall all of vpc chip in and we ca make our own rules and have a race track on the island

Post 280422 by Jamest5r on 2010-01-10 01:12:01

[quote=Tomcat;280404]Talk about getting money off you anyway they can....It's like living in a bloody dictatorship!!, think it's about time I left for Cananda.[/quote] Been thinking the same myself mate, Canada or N/Z, got to be better driving a truck over there than here, might even give the ice road ago!!!

Post 280465 by thebadger on 2010-01-10 06:04:30

Nope, if you're way over the posted limit the cops (if they catch you) can do you for dangerous driving, which is a straight ban. If you can't pay the fine/do the time, then don't commit the crime.

Post 280466 by gmain1967 on 2010-01-10 06:17:16

[quote=jamest5r;280422][/U][/I][/B] Been thinking the same myself mate, Canada or N/Z, got to be better driving a truck over there than here, might even give the ice road ago!!![/quote] No need. Just try driving anywhere up here and you can have your very own "Ice Road Truckers", here in the UK!!

Post 280469 by volvoturboman on 2010-01-10 07:49:47

O' well, I'll be fined nothing then lol. No seriously thats bad and TC don't tell me your only realising now that we live in a dictatorship. Tony Blair turned this into a dictatorship years ago.

Post 280500 by jez.w on 2010-01-10 11:03:14

[quote=thebadger;280465]Nope, if you're way over the posted limit the cops (if they catch you) can do you for dangerous driving, which is a straight ban. If you can't pay the fine/do the time, then don't commit the crime.[/quote] But most people dont drive to the speed limit, and in the right places this causes no problems. On a clear motorway most people drive at 85 to 90mph without any problems, i have done for 18 years. Infact i have found that even with all this ice and snow which is quite bad around here on the minor roads, i am finding that i am only just under the speed limits driving very carefully. So in good conditions we still drive at these speeds????? I think we should have low speed limits in our high streets, residential areas or where our childrens parks and schools are only etc. Your average everyday driver (not young boy racer) breaks the speed limit probably everytime they drive their car without a problem. Some reasons for road accidents are not speed related like badly lit junctions, terrible wornout slippery roads, bad road layouts, crap lane markings which can confuse, speed limit too low for no apparent reason causing people to risk overtaking etc etc. Do you work for the police? The speeding laws in this country are ridiculous, they dont catch many boy racers tearing around where we live, they catch people doing 83mph on a clear motorway or somebody doing 48mph on the 3 lane North Circular at 2 in the morning.

Post 280533 by Vikingxl on 2010-01-10 12:14:16

Post 280548 by Justin on 2010-01-10 12:49:43

[quote=Vikingxc;280533]Sadly wrong information there Cameron as i and a fair few others on here have been to court for less than 98 in fact less than 80[/quote]Yeah but you were in a 30 lol. (Jokes before anyone starts)

Post 280550 by JelT5 on 2010-01-10 12:56:02

[quote=Bob France;280381]Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse for drivers in the UK,it has now been touted that the"government"might take up the mantle of the Swiss,and start using wealth related fines to deter speeding motorists as per the case of a bloke in Switzerland who last week was fined[and I kid you not], 290,000 euros or 180,000 pounds.Apparently,he had been nicked before for speeding and he did try to wriggle out of it by saying he had diplomatic immunity,but all the same,he was only breaking a speeding law. If the govt get their way you could end up on the wrong end of a serious fine just because you ain't a chav on the dole with a saxo who couldn't string two words together other than "you know wot I mean innit". I hope, that along with the "victim" tax,this doesn't make legislation, keep your eyes open for this latest episode of legalised govt theft!!![/quote] Yep I read about this- that's one helluva fine! We know the Swiss govt hate cars, despite the Geneva motorshow! It's a bit like that in France though "innit?" lots of cameras and there are no unemployed people in France because they're all Gendarme or Police armed with guns and radar lol Love the chav on the dole line, brilliant mate, psml!

Post 280557 by scooter on 2010-01-10 13:22:41

What i think they should do is up the fines and get rid of the points meaning every one who speed gets a fine and they get more money from us which in the end that is all they are after but they can not take are licence of us which in the long run they will get more money

Post 280864 by wegal on 2010-01-11 12:55:48

We all have a view on how it would work best..... mine is that there should be camera's on EVERY single set of traffic lights, I hate red light jumpers, and they getaway with it far more than someone doing 90 on an empty motor way, Jumping reds is also extremely dangerous. Speed cameras outside every school, park, shopping centre and 20mph limits, very very strictly enforced. An re-education of pedestrians, teach them to look left and look right again, remind them that the road belongs to cars and lorry etc and the pavement belongs to them. A variable speed limit on the motorways, dependant totally on weather and volume, so at 3am on a summers morning, many stretches could be limit free, yet at 8am on a wet busy monday morning the limit could be reduced to 40 or 50. Retraining of middle lane drivers, similiar to the re-training required if you are caught just over the limit. One chance to learn.... next time points and fines. MANY MANY more traffic police patrol cars on the roads. And most importantly a massively improved public transport system, to take cars off the roads. In my mind we should have let the banks go tits up and spent that massive amount of money building as many underground systems and tram systems for our cities as possible. Not only making getting around much easier but generating a huge number of jobs in the process. Anyway, im sure we all have our own idea's, for what its worth, those are mine.

Post 280873 by cookie on 2010-01-11 13:37:15

Germany has weather related speed limits, I think there should be more effort put around schools (parking enforcement and speeding) as well at traffic lights, rather than the continuous harping on about Speed Kills, the 70MPH speed limit on motorways is way to low, and 30 past many schools is way to high

Post 280878 by Storm-Troll on 2010-01-11 13:43:12

[quote=cameron;280408]Dont quote me on this pete bit i think ( i recall an episode of road wars ) any speed over the limit is dealt with by fine and points up till 98mph. Anything over that is deemed to be very serious in which case it has to be forwarded to the judicial system ( courts )[/quote] on the discretion of the officer who catches you you mean Al lol. dont forget I got stopped earlier last year for 102 on the A3 but he couldnt be bothered to do the paperwork and go to court so said he was only writting me up for 92 mph so was just dealt with as a fine... I guess it depends on both. how you are driving. whether safely at speed or not and what mood the officer is in at the time as to what you get.

Post 280879 by thebadger on 2010-01-11 13:45:23

Nope, never been plod, just drive an ex one! I know a fair bit as I have friends inside the system, however I do not speed & I do not ask for excuses to do so. 3 reasons not to speed (other than the law) 1. Driving at a slower speed saves you fuel (burns less to do 30 than 40mph) 2. Less wear on the car, as higher speeds have bigger impacts on the components. 3. You might be able to slow down from 90mph in less than 15 seconds, but is the crapped out boy racer who's trying to keep up able to do the same? Speed is fun, but it's not viable for the public highway, too many idiots that can barley do the limit would cause unbilevable accidents at 90-100mph on a motorway that would soon cancel any change. It's a limit for a reason, if you're unable to drive at it, then move to somewhere like Germany. Limit free autobahns (but only in a german reg car)!

Post 280939 by Storm-Troll on 2010-01-11 18:04:59

[quote=thebadger;280879]It's a limit for a reason, if you're unable to drive at it, then move to somewhere like Germany. Limit free autobahns (but only in a german reg car)![/quote] True. But dont forget that in germany. where the speed limits are Higher than here... everyone drives faster. but also stated in many places. they have a lot less accidents than drivers in the uk...The advisory speed limit of the German autobahn is 130 km/h (80 mph), but there is no general speed limit. Fuel efficiency sometimes affects speed limit selection. The United States once had a National Maximum Speed Law of 55 mph (89 km/h) to reduce fuel consumption. The law was widely disregarded by motorists and hardly reduced consumption at all. 85th percentile rule Traffic engineers may rely on the 85th percentile rule[17][18] to establish speed limits. The speed limit should be set to the speed that separates the bottom 85% of vehicle speeds from the top 15%. The 85th percentile is greater than a speed that is one standard deviation above the mean of a normal distribution. The theory is that traffic laws that reflect the behavior of the majority of motorists may have better compliance than laws that arbitrarily criminalize the majority of motorists and encourage violations.

Post 280948 by thebadger on 2010-01-11 18:44:10

Kind of my point, to suggest that a 1.0 car will be capable of autobhan speeds is a bit on the optomistic. I hope that most people on here think sense has been the cause of the speed limits? No one who has seen, or been affected by a "traffic collision" involving either a pedestrian or a cyclist would think that there should be a need to make the roads any faster. I saw a taxi that had "collected" a poor old chap on a push bike. The old fellow had a hi-viz vest, lights & reflectoers, but sadly the taxi had came round the corner onto the "squinty" bridge & collected him in the bus/taxi/cycle lane. The dent on the pugeot E7 windscreen said it all, the old guy had been over at the side of the road where he should have been, but the taxi must have been speeding when he rounded the corner, or not paying due attention. This was an in town accident, which probably happened at sub 40mph, but I'd hate to see more accidents at higher speeds than that. I'm often baffeled by the waivering speed limit on the motorways & users lack of ability to follow them. 70mph is a safe speed in most cars....(well maybe not if you own a corsa) and there should not really be any reason to exceed that speed. I enjoy giving the car some of the beans, but if I wanted to race someone or go over the limit all the time I'd go to a track day on a regular basis. I love driving, so I'm not letting my own stupidity lose it for me. Be smart guys, it may not be perfect but the limit is there to protect us all.

Post 280969 by Storm-Troll on 2010-01-11 19:46:04

[quote=thebadger;280948]it may not be perfect but the limit is there to protect us all.[/quote] More like make the Government more money. we have one of the slowest Limit sets about in the Uk. My brother Danny was killed at 18 Yrs Old back in 1986 not by speed. but by a drunk driver. The fact that the driver was an Ex Copper and even though was well over the limit. when it got to court. all he got was a 2 year driving Ban and a £600 fine. no prison or anything.. still thats how it always is. one law for one and a Diffrent one for others. anyhow. Even after losing a member of Family to A Car Accident. I personally think the Speed Limits in the UK are set Purposefully Low so as to Provoke Ppl into driving faster and then the courts gat to make more money. After all. look how many Speeding fines are given In Germany where the Limit is not in effect.. "None"... so If the limits were higher here. then ppl woudlnt need to speed over the higher Limit and the Government wouldnt make any money. so By setting it Below a Speed that would still be safe at on the Motorway Eg: 80 or 90mph. Ppl would Comfortably sit at that and no one would ever get caught for speeding. still then we wold just get higher Tax on other things... In the Words Of Captain Kirk. " Its a No Win Scenario " lol ps. this is just My Personal Opinion. Not Trying To Cause A Stir... lol

Post 280977 by thebadger on 2010-01-11 20:00:38

Don't get me started on the drink drive & death by dangerous laws... A car is a 1 tonne plus weapon in the hands of the stupid & the drunk. If I were drunk & I stabbed someone, I would get the jail, 3-5 years. If I killed the person I stabbed, I may get "life" (bloody joke that is) If I run someone over in a car while racing someone, I might just get 4 years & a ban. That's the shocking law mate, not the speed laws. I apologise if that upsets you, but I've lost friends too, both through speeding on their own part & from being the passengers in cars driven by ****s. Did they get jail? No, probation & comunity work for what could easily have been classed as a murder. The law in these areas are far too soft.

Post 280984 by pookie on 2010-01-11 20:16:48

I fully agree with Wegal's proposals earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, we have a system where the really irresponsible, or uninsured can easily get away with things as there are far too few trafpol about. The average motorist is not a speed crazed hooligan - they're just like us! I honestly believe that if there were fewer cameras about, drivers would look outside of their cars, and not at the speedo all the time. Pookie

Post 281009 by Storm-Troll on 2010-01-11 20:57:47

[quote=thebadger;280977]Don't get me started on the drink drive & death by dangerous laws... A car is a 1 tonne plus weapon in the hands of the stupid & the drunk. If I were drunk & I stabbed someone, I would get the jail, 3-5 years. If I killed the person I stabbed, I may get "life" (bloody joke that is) If I run someone over in a car while racing someone, I might just get 4 years & a ban. That's the shocking law mate, not the speed laws. I apologise if that upsets you, but I've lost friends too, both through speeding on their own part & from being the passengers in cars driven by ****s. Did they get jail? No, probation & comunity work for what could easily have been classed as a murder. The law in these areas are far too soft.[/quote] No problem mate. I agree with what your saying... Im watching Police interceptors on channel 5 right now and they just stopped an 82 year old man with No Driving Licence. No Insurance. No MOT and his excuse was Its too expensive to get Insurance and MOT and why shold he have to kee pre applying for his Licence when it Expires.. so the Police Drive him home. take his shopping in his house for him then leave him at home and jsut take his car away... if that was a youngster that they pulled over with no Licence Insurance or MOT they would have arrested him.. lmao... I guess the sooner I get OLD the easier life will be on the roads pmsl...!!!!!