just saying hi!

Post 343312 by thewoodster on 2010-11-08 19:05:15

hi , i cant quite believe what im about to say ! i have recently sold my 1993 ford sierra rs cosworth 4x4 that i owned for 8 years and loved to bits (she was running just over 300 bhp at 17 psi) i thought i would own this car for ever but it was just no longer practical , my 15 year old son is in a band and although we do have a transit van in the housesehold i really need an estate to get all his gear in as he has started to gig more and more and the van is usually full of tools or crap!!!!!!! a mate of mine you may know who uses this site (colnotts) has had a few volvos mainly 850 t5 r`s and although we always had lots of banter about who had the better car i must admit that the volvo has always been my second choice of car and possilbly the only choice for a decent sized estate car ( cant stand scoobies especially the estate version). so if your up for converting a die hard cossie fan and petrol head. please feel free. i have decided that a volvo estate is definatley the way for me to go and will be on the look out for a nice one in the new year (not in any mega rush as i will just use the van or the misses car) but what would you suggest 850, v70, v40 ? obviously a blower is a must but t4 or t5 ? which is better i know that the t5r is the ultimate but what are my other options, what are these cars like for tweaking? auto or manual i dont mind either but what are your suggestions , like i haave said i am a die hard cossie fan and what i dont know about them is`nt worth knowing but volvos are a mystery to me so any advise would be appreicated , cheers .

Post 343318 by T5frankie on 2010-11-08 19:18:49

Hello mate a t5-r is not the ultimate (smaller turbo) what you want is a manual front wheel drive v70R (awd versions are problematic, and autos are restrictive if you decide to modify) it has the bigger turbo and is the culmination of all the earlier versions, with a few mods they can kill a stage 1 cossie, I myself love my cossies i used to own a 1988 flint grey M.A. developments sapphire with 424bhp polished escort rims leda race suspension, mongoose turbo back exhaust etc etc, i would love another in the future, oh and welcome to the forum mate

Post 343342 by The Flying Moose on 2010-11-08 20:21:41

Welcome to the forum! Well this is could start a huge debate... I guess its all on preferance. I myself would avoid the V70R in favour of an 850R or 850 T-5R as I believe its a little more interesting and has the added benefit of a little touring car history. Arguably there are pro's and cons to both but the main difference is the electronics with the 850 having far fewer. Most members are aiming for the 300bhp mark with their motors but as any petrol head will appreciate torque has a big role too and these have torquey engines. Cant tell you must about the T4's in the V40 but they are certainly good value and quick. Main difference between V70R and 850R/T5R is price. A decent V70R will set you back 2.5-4k but a decent 850 can be picked up for as little as a grand.

Post 343343 by The Flying Moose on 2010-11-08 20:22:19

Post 343346 by t5 pete on 2010-11-08 20:30:54

Ide go for the good old t5r or 850 r there a much more aggressive car in the way they drive also your can bolt any of the volvo turbos on and there not that expensive new and even cheeper second hand there relitive easy to tune but just remember the fwd the 850r have a type of lsd which is better for traction but that only came in the manual versions. Also the auto boxes are fine in standard form and with a simple remap but push any more power through them and there likley not to last long .

Post 343364 by T5frankie on 2010-11-08 21:04:51

[quote=V70ETS;343342]Welcome to the forum! Well this is could start a huge debate... I guess its all on preferance. I myself would avoid the V70R in favour of an 850R or 850 T-5R as I believe its a little more interesting and has the added benefit of a little touring car history. Arguably there are pro's and cons to both but the main difference is the electronics with the 850 having far fewer. Most members are aiming for the 300bhp mark with their motors but as any petrol head will appreciate torque has a big role too and these have torquey engines. Cant tell you must about the T4's in the V40 but they are certainly good value and quick. Main difference between V70R and 850R/T5R is price. A decent V70R will set you back 2.5-4k but a decent 850 can be picked up for as little as a grand.[/quote] Ive had 6 t5's, 2 855' 2 s70's v70 t5 and my current v70r so i can compare whats best cos i've had them all, and my current car is massively more aggressive than any of the others, maybe cos of my mods? it all depends on wether he likes 1980's interiors with mahooosive big buttons lol

Post 343365 by T5frankie on 2010-11-08 21:06:23

Has anyone on here owned a phase 1 v70r for a length of time actually gone back to an old t5-r and thought it was better?

Post 343366 by p fandango on 2010-11-08 21:07:18

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343364]it all depends on wether he likes 1980's interiors with mahooosive big buttons lol[/quote] aren't S/V70 switches the same as 850's only slightly rounded off at the edges?

Post 343368 by p fandango on 2010-11-08 21:07:54

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343365]Has anyone on here owned a phase 1 v70r for a length of time actually gone back to an old t5-r and thought it was better?[/quote] JelT5

Post 343372 by T5frankie on 2010-11-08 21:12:24

[quote=p fandango;343366]aren't S/V70 switches the same as 850's only slightly rounded off at the edges?[/quote] there is nothing similar inside the cabin

Post 343374 by LiamT4 on 2010-11-08 21:15:18

When i was looking for an s60t5 and than found my s70r, i much prefered the more aggressive looks of the s70, but if you can get past the interior of the 850s (and lets face it, the s/v70s are pretty ancient anyway. lol), i think that the 850r/t5r's are even more aggressive to look at, they look great with titans or volans. BTW if you want a quick 855 than you should ask rnash if he's still selling his (seems to change his mind a lot, bit like me lol). He's got a 13.8@1/4mile, which is pretty good, considering they are fwd. Welcome to the club btw!

Post 343375 by p fandango on 2010-11-08 21:17:00

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343372]there is nothing similar inside the cabin[/quote] oh yeh, they moved the electric windows controls & robbed the boost gauge lol

Post 343397 by T5frankie on 2010-11-08 23:01:58

[quote=p fandango;343375]oh yeh, they moved the electric windows controls & robbed the boost gauge lol[/quote] and got the angle grinder out to that dashboard lol this one seems to be a one off never seen one the same http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-VOLVO-V70-R-AWD-GOLD-/230547854500?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35adb914a4#ht_3448wt_1139

Post 343407 by t5 stealth on 2010-11-09 00:03:13

personally id go for the 850.........drives better,less problems,less electronics. and looks better... after the 850 the volvos went soft.started adding electronics which made it more complicated and less to tinker with if you wana tinker most of the volvos i work on that have problems are later stuff..v70s c70s etc...all the electronics and diagnostics etc...and it always seems to be expensive to put right... not like the old reliable tried and tested 850.... obviously 850s have some probs but they arnt that many or that bad. :) oh and welcome.

Post 343409 by The Flying Moose on 2010-11-09 00:06:24

[quote=t5 stealth;343407]not like the old reliable tried and tested 850.... obviously 850s have some probs but they arnt that many or that bad. [/quote] They certinaly dont have many... I think the engine is the weakest element and they are good for 250k plus if serviced regularly.

Post 343414 by Rnash2002 on 2010-11-09 00:33:46

Welcome aboard,cant go wrong with a 855, turbo,o and my motors not forsale anymore,didnt have much intrest in the end so will be sorting the head out in the new year and a few other things.

Post 343441 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 09:55:23

[quote=Rnash2002;343414]Welcome aboard,cant go wrong with a 855, turbo,o and my motors not forsale anymore,didnt have much intrest in the end so will be sorting the head out in the new year and a few other things.[/quote] glad you are keeping it mate, you are all of us' target for next seasons drag racing lol

Post 343442 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 09:57:03

[quote=t5 stealth;343407]personally id go for the 850.........drives better,less problems,less electronics. and looks better... after the 850 the volvos went soft.started adding electronics which made it more complicated and less to tinker with if you wana tinker most of the volvos i work on that have problems are later stuff..v70s c70s etc...all the electronics and diagnostics etc...and it always seems to be expensive to put right... not like the old reliable tried and tested 850.... obviously 850s have some probs but they arnt that many or that bad. :) oh and welcome.[/quote] it seems people are very protective of the motor they drive now and people always prefer their own motor to that of someone elses

Post 343495 by colnotts on 2010-11-09 16:06:05

well hello there mr woods. how are you ?

Post 343505 by Al115 on 2010-11-09 16:25:21

Hi and welcome :) I've had a few T4s (and T5s) and if the V40 is big enough for you, I'd look seriously at that option. Engine doesn't sound as nice, but they're not much slower in a straight line than the 5-pots, much better on fuel, and handle and stop much better as stock. T5s still win for the noise though :D

Post 343510 by LiamT4 on 2010-11-09 16:58:54

[quote=Al115;343505]Hi and welcome :) I've had a few T4s (and T5s) and if the V40 is big enough for you, I'd look seriously at that option. Engine doesn't sound as nice, but they're not much slower in a straight line than the 5-pots, much better on fuel, and handle and stop much better as stock. T5s still win for the noise though :D[/quote] I'd say that when standard the t4's are quicker than the t5s, in fact even now that my s70r has been mapped, my old t4 (with a similar level of tune), was still quicker than my my s70r. the 5-pots definatly sound better though. Can't comment on the 850r/t5r though as they have similar power to my s70r but weigh about 80-100kg less.

Post 343511 by JelT5 on 2010-11-09 17:33:57

[quote=p fandango;343368]JelT5[/quote] Mine was a T5 not an R Pedro, but tweaked as you know. I prefer the T5R, Just so much more fun, it's a classic 850! Despite the interior being a bit "clunky" and the problems I've had with it, I wouldn't buy a V70 again. I like the retro, falling to bits shed I've got :D BTW welcome to the forum (no not you PF ;))

Post 343547 by thewoodster on 2010-11-09 20:34:00

thanks for your input chaps , i think an 850 t5 or t5 -r is going to be the way i go . if i go for the 850 which is the best level of spec - cd , s , ect also what is a tourlanda? cheers hi colin , i will pop and see you when i get chance as were in the process of moving house and everything is all up in the air at the minute , well i finaly passed the old gel` on never thought i would but even i had to admit that just lately she was getting tired and i had owned her for 8 years and to be honest even i fancied a change ,( plus to be honest the offer was to good to refuse) still miss her more than i thought i would especially her awesome turbo chatter but hey like debs keeps telling me im the wrong side of forty and should own a sensible car (so it looks like a vovlo then!!!!) so if you come across a nice t5 estate (but not in silver!!!!!!!!) you`ll have to let me know. catch you later . the woodster[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/kossykarl/th_DSCI0084-1.jpg" alt="Image">[/IMG] gone but not forgoten

Post 343550 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 20:50:25

[quote=JelT5;343511]Mine was a T5 not an R Pedro, but well tweaked as you know. I prefer the T5R, Just so much more fun, it's a classic 850! Despite the interior being a bit "clunky" and the problems I've had with it, I wouldn't buy a V70 again. I like the retro, falling to bits shed I've got :D BTW welcome to the forum (no not you PF ;))[/quote] still no-one has had v70r then preferred a t5-r, i had a v70 t5 which is nothing like an 'R'

Post 343551 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 20:53:15

[quote=thewoodster;343547]thanks for your input chaps , i think an 850 t5 or t5 -r is going to be the way i go . if i go for the 850 which is the best level of spec - cd , s , ect also what is a tourlanda? cheers hi colin , i will pop and see you when i get chance as were in the process of moving house and everything is all up in the air at the minute , well i finaly passed the old gel` on never thought i would but even i had to admit that just lately she was getting tired and i had owned her for 8 years and to be honest even i fancied a change ,( plus to be honest the offer was to good to refuse) still miss her more than i thought i would especially her awesome turbo chatter but hey like debs keeps telling me im the wrong side of forty and should own a sensible car (so it looks like a vovlo then!!!!) so if you come across a nice t5 estate (but not in silver!!!!!!!!) you`ll have to let me know. catch you later . the woodster[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/kossykarl/th_DSCI0084-1.jpg" alt="Image">[/IMG] gone but not forgoten[/quote] oh dear cossie down to an old 850 t5 lmfao wtf ????????? not in the same league, is that t5-r saloon still for sale for £1250?

Post 343552 by p fandango on 2010-11-09 21:10:25

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343550]still no-one has had v70r then preferred a t5-r, i had a v70 t5 which is nothing like an 'R'[/quote] its all down to personal opinion, driving alot more modern S60 everyday i can't tell you how nice it was to drive V70ETS's 855 the other day. Will admit it took some getting used to where the handbrake & door release where compared to Bonny lol

Post 343561 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 22:04:28

[quote=p fandango;343552]its all down to personal opinion, driving alot more modern S60 everyday i can't tell you how nice it was to drive V70ETS's 855 the other day. Will admit it took some getting used to where the handbrake & door release where compared to Bonny lol[/quote] exactly but people shouldn't say whats the best unless they have owned both/all the cars in discussion

Post 343563 by p fandango on 2010-11-09 22:08:16

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343561]exactly but people shouldn't say whats the best unless they have owned both/all the cars in discussion[/quote] it still wouldn't make any difference if they had owned all the cars, people want/prefer different things from there cars anyway

Post 343565 by T5frankie on 2010-11-09 22:13:15

[quote=p fandango;343563]it still wouldn't make any difference if they had owned all the cars, people want/prefer different things from there cars anyway[/quote] no what i mean there are some people on here that have said 850's are better than v70's but have never been in/driven or owned one so cannot possibly make that judgement

Post 343582 by JelT5 on 2010-11-10 06:04:43

Heres a little 1/4 mile comparison between the V70 and the 850 I've owned... V70T5 CD auto: 16T/whites/HLM 304/BSR cone/JT 3" catback/RIP: [email]14.63@ 96mph....kill[/email]ed the transmission though lol 855T5R manual: 18T/oranges/HLM custom map/panel filter/JT 3" catback/RIP: [email]14.78@ 94mph...with[/email] a boost problem amongst other faults lol As it stands now, my heavier, auto V70, was a slightly quicker, more comfortable barge...but, having had rides in V70Rs and 850Rs/T5Rs I still prefer the latter. They're all good cars. It's purely down to my personal preference.

Post 343583 by Al115 on 2010-11-10 06:55:48

I've owned and driven 850 T5s and Phase 1 and Phase 2 V70 T5s. For me the Phase 1 cars were the best compromise for a daily drive. I find the Phase 2s too "insulated" and the 850s drive more transparently but the interiors are now very dated - the Phase 1s were a good balance. On a track, of course, I'd take the older cars every day :)

Post 343588 by Unknown on 2010-11-10 08:03:32

im new to volvo's myself but in my eyes ALL old cars are the best :D and the less electric's on a car the better i think as less to go wrong. unless of course u wanna be chasin 100 fairylights on ya dash or paying MR main stealer a zillion bucks each time you want to put ur newer car on a fault diagnostics check (due to electrical faults or issues) i think without doubt id rather have an older volvo than a new one as at least u can work on the older cars and old 850's ;) YELLOW t5r esstate for sale on flebay tho sadly its an AUTO lol (links below) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-VOLVO-850-T5R-AUTO-YELLOW-/150515740573?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item230b6fef9d

Post 343609 by lance on 2010-11-10 10:07:35

I think out of an 850 , P1 V70 and P2 V70 I prefered the P1 too, although I did modify mine a lot. It was a better car overall and I had no electrical problems even in CD spec!

Post 343626 by Jamest5r on 2010-11-10 12:02:34

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343550]still no-one has had v70r then preferred a t5-r, i had a v70 t5 which is nothing like an 'R'[/quote] Ive got both a v70r phase 1 and 850t5r, hard choice between the two the v70 feels heavier but more comfy and the 850 rawer but has to be the 850 all day long for me

Post 343628 by y2blade on 2010-11-10 12:09:50

welcome along :)

Post 343635 by Wobbly Dave on 2010-11-10 13:01:27

I love my C70 but it is F-ALL use for carry any large loads - the appeture for the boot is rubbish. :welcome:

Post 343657 by colnotts on 2010-11-10 13:44:54

ok mr woods you know where i am.. and less of the old people drive volvos lol it aint true. wait till you own one you will see.

Post 343687 by T5frankie on 2010-11-10 17:39:42

[quote=jamest5r;343626]Ive got both a v70r phase 1 and 850t5r, hard choice between the two the v70 feels heavier but more comfy and the 850 rawer but has to be the 850 all day long for me[/quote] you cant comment yet james you have a car you love and a car you have just bought, nothing is gonna be better than your t5-r to you lol, my v70r is rock solid and feels very raw and aggressive in the set up it has much more so than any soggy old 850 ive had

Post 343710 by Jamest5r on 2010-11-10 19:22:41

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343687]you cant comment yet james you have a car you love and a car you have just bought, nothing is gonna be better than your t5-r to you lol, my v70r is rock solid and feels very raw and aggressive in the set up it has much more so than any soggy old 850 ive had[/quote] The v70r came with the added freebie's of full koni setup and a 3" outlet on turbo 3" d/p + race-cat and 2.5" from there so all it really needs is a map and mbc to make it pretty good about £200 which i aint got at the mo lol, so my point being i think i can make a fair comparision as my 850 has a 18t and m59 box exhaust etc so all that's really different between the two is the shell/cabin. Its just the 850 feels tighter/sharper/rawer for some reason, dont know what it is but your welcome to try the 850 next time we meet.

Post 343712 by T5frankie on 2010-11-10 19:28:06

[quote=jamest5r;343710]The v70r came with the added freebie's of full koni setup and a 3" outlet on turbo 3" d/p + race-cat and 2.5" from there so all it really needs is a map and mbc to make it pretty good about £200 which i aint got at the mo lol, so my point being i think i can make a fair comparision as my 850 has a 18t and m59 box exhaust etc so all that's really different between the two is the shell/cabin. Its just the 850 feels tighter/sharper/rawer for some reason, dont know what it is but your welcome to try the 850 next time we meet.[/quote] ok we will swap lol, dunno what mine has different powerflex bushes? has your v70r got 40 series tyres as i suppose these make a massive difference in road feel, i suppose i dont know either what the v70r's feel like standard are they much different to a v70 t5 se?, and your t5-r aint standard either what are they like standard? whats the suspension like? etc

Post 343747 by t5 pete on 2010-11-10 20:55:14

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343712]ok we will swap lol, dunno what mine has different powerflex bushes? has your v70r got 40 series tyres as i suppose these make a massive difference in road feel, i suppose i dont know either what the v70r's feel like standard are they much different to a v70 t5 se?, and your t5-r aint standard either what are they like standard? whats the suspension like? etc[/quote] Lol you really are in love with your car which is fair enough but as most people are saying they just preffer the 850 best thing to do is start a poll and that will answer all the questions. I for one have drove all the p1 v70's and yes there alot more comfy and smoother but for some reason they just dont feel like a rough and ready car like the 850 is if you get what i mean.

Post 343760 by T5frankie on 2010-11-10 21:19:22

[quote=t5 pete;343747]Lol you really are in love with your car which is fair enough but as most people are saying they just preffer the 850 best thing to do is start a poll and that will answer all the questions. I for one have drove all the p1 v70's and yes there alot more comfy and smoother but for some reason they just dont feel like a rough and ready car like the 850 is if you get what i mean.[/quote] do you mean the t5-r and the 850r? cos ive had 2 850 t5's and they were crap and very boat-like and a fair poll would take into account how many owners of each there actually were

Post 343764 by t5 pete on 2010-11-10 21:23:07

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343760]do you mean the t5-r and the 850r? cos ive had 2 850 t5's and they were crap and very boat-like and a fair poll would take into account how many owners of each there actually were[/quote] Its obvious your very much for the v70 and why shouldnt you be that why you own one and you have the right to your own oppinion just like every one else does and other people might thing the v/s70's are crap and very boat like. But also you say its a unfair poll as most people own 850's well i hate to tell you but you have allready answered the question, why are there more 850's its because there a better all round car and obvisouly more people want them than v/s70

Post 343769 by T5frankie on 2010-11-10 21:29:25

[quote=t5 pete;343764]Its obvious your very much for the v70 and why shouldnt you be that why you own one and you have the right to your own oppinion just like every one else does and other people might thing the v/s70's are crap and very boat like. But also you say its a unfair poll as most people own 850's well i hate to tell you but you have allready answered the question, why are there more 850's its because there a better all round car and obvisouly more people want them than v/s70[/quote] not really mate it's cos they are cheap and readily available

Post 343802 by p fandango on 2010-11-11 04:18:16

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343760]do you mean the t5-r and the 850r? cos ive had 2 850 t5's and they were crap and very boat-like and a fair poll would take into account how many owners of each there actually were[/quote] the suspension on normal 850's will be softer than the R V70, plus being older how tired was the bushes etc on the 850's compared to the polybushes on yours come on, admit the R was just a carry-on/copy of the original T-5R lol

Post 343821 by Wobbly Dave on 2010-11-11 11:14:04

[quote=leighkaicraigmia;343769]not really mate it's cos they are cheap and readily available[/quote] C70's are better than all of them :P

Post 343904 by ex911driver on 2010-11-11 19:01:31

Hi to the woodster, I have a 91 "J" plate cossie as well as my T5 .The Cossie is stored mainly and is sitting making money , the prices are going up every month. Still think the cossie is slightly quicker ,but my T5 is a an auto. 70-90 in 5th is very quick for a standard Sapphire.