T5 powered autograss special.

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Post 349450 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-06 20:39:11

Hi Guys, I thought it was about time i started a thread and showed my latest project, after almost completing my class 9 Autograss special I decided the Vauxhall Redtop power just wasnt going to be enough, so I sold my newly built Redtop, Jenveys, Emerald Management system, K&Ns etc and my brand spanking new and unused special went from this; Image To this; Image Image Then after I put a wanted ad on here I got a reply from andyb1375 and a deal was done on an 850 T5. Image So the next thing was to remove the engine, box, shafts hub etc which we did this weekend complete with subframe. Image And after removing the subframe, shafts, hubs and all the power zapping pumps and ancilleries we offer up the engine and box in the chassis. Image Image I have just collected the latest Emerald M3D K6 management system direct from Dave at Emerald and thats about as far as we have got to date. I have a couple of questions which I hope someone can help with; 1. How easy is it to get to the diff as I need to remove it and weld it solid ? 2. What fuel pressure do these run at? 3. What is the best turbo to run, I have been told the 16t bolts straight on instead of the 15t ? Anyway....cheers for ploughing through to the end and any advice will be greatfully recieved. Paul.

Post 349457 by p fandango on 2010-12-06 20:55:04

ha ha nice one, that things going to fly [quote=Paul Hassell;349450] 1. How easy is it to get to the diff as I need to remove it and weld it solid ? 2. What fuel pressure do these run at? 3. What is the best turbo to run, I have been told the 16t bolts straight on instead of the 15t ?[/quote] 1. as you've already got the engine out & off the subframe it shouldn't be that hard, remove the gearbox & you can unbolt the diff from the gear without removing any of the other gearing (advised) 2. 3bar 3. i'd of thought with the little weight you've got even a 19t will spool instantly. Any of the Mitsi TD04 turbo's will fit straight onto the manifold but you might have to change the downpipe to match. Con-rods are the weakest link on our engines so will need upgrading if you want to run alot of boost. An ME7 exhaust manifold (or S60R is better again) is worth looking while messing with the turbo

Post 349460 by andyb1375 on 2010-12-06 21:09:47

Hi Paul Cant wait to see the finished article !!

Post 349464 by si850r on 2010-12-06 21:21:24

my god....air traffic control watch out.....its gonna be a u.f.v.o.......... unidentified flyin volvo object

Post 349482 by MWT5 on 2010-12-06 22:48:51

Haha you been busy it sits in the special quite nice where you putting the intercooler and rad above the engine. Your a couple of weeks in front of me ive had to take the corsa back to the bulkhead just to get it in.

Post 349484 by Barnsley-Bill on 2010-12-06 23:34:27

I'd go with a class 7 or 9 with single/twin bike engines' more expencive yea but the instant power is amazing. we built one for my nephew to race three years back with 2 Suzuki GSXR 1000 engines and boy did it shift I dont think I've ever been in anything faster than that from a standing start.

Post 349498 by MWT5 on 2010-12-07 00:57:38

[quote=Barnsley-Bill;349484]I'd go with a class 7 or 9 with single/twin bike engines' more expencive yea but the instant power is amazing. we built one for my nephew to race three years back with 2 Suzuki GSXR 1000 engines and boy did it shift I dont think I've ever been in anything faster than that from a standing start.[/quote] There's a class Severn at northwales with t5 engine and he regularly beating twin biked cars,I think it is the torque that gives him the upper hand on the bike engines.

Post 349525 by Barnsley-Bill on 2010-12-07 11:42:44

Yea its mostly torque that gets you off the line but if the car suspension is setup right and the car's been corner weighted it makes a massive difference. we had his back coilovers built by Ohlins with the right damping and rebound and it was like a different car' at the start all the other cars front end's were two foot in the air while his dug in and set off. He used to race a few kids with car engines' one with a Chevy V8 and he used to lap him after three to four laps. He won his clubs championship two years running and came 10th in the world championships' but thats were it seemed to go wrong as every time he went to a race meeting it seemed like all the other drivers wanted to knock him off' so in the end he flogged his car.

Post 349538 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-07 14:59:48

We did the whole twin engined thing last year with a pair of CBRs in the back of a 10, it was ok but I am not a bike engined man so I got bored with it quite quickly and sold it !!

Post 349646 by ex911driver on 2010-12-07 22:14:31

Hi paul , just wondered what was happening to the rest of the car, and what colour/ paint code is it ? Thanks Danny

Post 349696 by Barnsley-Bill on 2010-12-08 09:53:28

Hi Paul I think they only thing we did with the Suzuki engines apart from normal servicing was replace the clutches after about four meetings. But the drive box we had some right problems until we stripped it and removed some metal from the casings to give a bit more clearance as it was very tight when we bought it' 'not bad for about 2 grand eh' . I'll try find some pictures of his old car and post them. Good luck with your build mate and I hope it works for you.

Post 350081 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-10 19:17:11

Thanks very much for all the good comments and advice, I will keep you all posted on my progress.

Post 350638 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-15 10:37:55

Here are another couple of questions you experts can hopefully help with; 1] Are the sumps baffled in any way as we run clockwise ovals and i see from the haynes manual that the oil pickup is in the centre of the engine ? 2] does anybody have a list of the diff and gear ratios fitted in these T5 manual boxes, I think mine is a M56R box but I may well build a mix and match box at some point to give me the best ratios if need be. Cheers.

Post 350681 by p fandango on 2010-12-15 16:24:03

[quote=Paul Hassell;350638]does anybody have a list of the diff and gear ratios fitted in these T5 manual boxes, I think mine is a M56R box but I may well build a mix and match box at some point to give me the best ratios if need be.[/quote] never heard of a M56R (M56L or M56H). LINK

Post 350684 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-15 16:42:12

Thanks for the link, I could have sworn the box had M56R on the label, mind you I didnt have be glasses on and it was late last night .

Post 351556 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-21 18:40:21

Just been offered a T5 lump out of an Auto, what flywheel will fit this other than the obvious T5 manual flywheel, will any of the other 850 /V70 flywheels fit. I am pressuming the mounts are the same to fit a manual box onto an engine that has had an auto box.

Post 351560 by p fandango on 2010-12-21 18:48:55

yeh a few people have done auto to manual conversion so the all fit the same, i think all 850's (manuals) use the same flywheel but not 100% on that

Post 351561 by Jamest5r on 2010-12-21 18:57:07

[quote=Paul Hassell;351556]Just been offered a T5 lump out of an Auto, what flywheel will fit this other than the obvious T5 manual flywheel, will any of the other 850 /V70 flywheels fit. I am pressuming the mounts are the same to fit a manual box onto an engine that has had an auto box.[/quote] Yes and yes mate, i swopped an auto box for a manual and later on i put an auto engine in and the fly wheel bolted straight on, all the pre me7 are the same im not on the me7 onwards though.

Post 351959 by Paul Hassell on 2010-12-23 19:54:52

HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO THE THIEVING BA****DS ....WHO BROKE INTO OUR WORKSHOP THE NIGHT BEFORE LAST AND CLEARED US OUT OF WELDERS, GRINDERS, TOOLS, 20+ WHEELS AND TYRES, RACE SPARES ETC ETC.... Guys, please take this as a warning to make sure your workshops are secure over the holidays, these people are all over the country and dont care who they upset at this time of goodwill to all people ! ANYWAY, HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY.

Post 352000 by SKIDMARKS on 2010-12-24 09:49:08

Sorry to hear that bud, no good now but wire everything into the mains cos they usually return...guy I know has a garage and he has a huge GS that lives in it.

Post 352002 by SKIDMARKS on 2010-12-24 09:53:54

[quote=SKIDMARKS;352000]Sorry to hear that bud, no good now but wire everything into the mains cos they usually return...guy I know has a garage and he has a huge GS that lives in it.[/quote] Btw oil... you could always fit an Accusump with the epc valve or do the regs not allow ?

Post 358917 by Paul Hassell on 2011-02-07 13:54:27

I am looking for some bits now for spares, Complete engine, gearbox, Shafts, turbo, etc please let me know if you have anything lying around that might help. My mate is now looking to build another car the same as mine so i am in the market for another complete set up or ideally a complete manual car, condition is unimportant as long as it runs, he may even consider a non turbo model, i dont know which is the most powerful non turbo, perhaps someone can enlighten me. I will post an update on the build shortly.

Post 358926 by Al115 on 2011-02-07 15:50:54

Chuck a T4 lump in one. Lighter and plenty tuneable, like the T5. :)

Post 358928 by Paul Hassell on 2011-02-07 16:28:03

Yeah we did talk over the weekend about the T4, what sort of power do they produce as standard and what is sensibly and cheaply achievable ??

Post 358931 by Al115 on 2011-02-07 16:45:29

200bhp as standard and you can chip them up with similar proportion gains to a T5. Or put forged bits in it and go for 400bhp (I have to confess that I'm selling a built T4 block myself at the moment so I'm not entirely impartial ;) ) Cheers...

Post 363881 by Paul Hassell on 2011-03-01 22:25:28

I have not got round to posting much on the build recently but I will be adding an update this weekend, but I do have a question for you experts...are there any differences between T5 manuals driveshafts and T5 auto driveshafts, and while we are on the subjects are Diesel shafts the same ??

Post 366924 by streaky744 on 2011-03-16 21:26:50

loving the build, i also race a T5 powered short oval car, no where near as cool as yours as mine still in a volvo lol, but had some good results with it. yours has the speed mine just has a fancy paint job or did have when new

Post 377838 by Paul Hassell on 2011-05-13 21:43:15

OK, so at last I have got round to updating my project thread. My car has finally left the workshop and hit the rollers for mapping.... below are the latest pictures. Image Image Image Image Image Other than 5 hours on the rollers at Emeralds HQ in Watton, Norfolk the beast has had a bit of a blast round the farm yard ( and a near miss with a log pile which will be uploaded on my youtube shortly) In the meantime.... check this out.... http://www.youtube.com/user/HASSELLAUTOGRASS?feature=mhee

Post 377849 by p fandango on 2011-05-13 21:49:54

that must fly, its all engine lol. What power did you get? & i like the grill

Post 377851 by LiamT4 on 2011-05-13 21:50:23

Bloody hell! That looks like an r/c car thats had sex with a volvo! Looks good.

Post 377857 by Paul Hassell on 2011-05-13 22:06:40

[quote=p fandango;377849]that must fly, its all engine lol. What power did you get? & i like the grill[/quote] Yeah my sign writer got carried a bit carried away with the whole airbrushed Volvo grill thing !! better than I had anticipated when I did the designs.

Post 377861 by MWT5 on 2011-05-13 22:20:15

Paul the special is looking good,are you going to try and qualify it for the nationals this year. My t5 class 6 project has stalled big time built two engine frames and then scrapped both so starting from scratch again, hopeful to get it finished and racing towards the end of the season.

Post 377869 by Paul Hassell on 2011-05-13 22:48:26

[quote=MWT5;377861]Paul the special is looking good,are you going to try and qualify it for the nationals this year. My t5 class 6 project has stalled big time built two engine frames and then scrapped both so starting from scratch again, hopeful to get it finished and racing towards the end of the season.[/quote] Hi mate, not bothered about the nationals this year and not even doing Border Counties this year because I will be at the F1 in Spa ! Hope you will get your frame sorted soon and hope we can meet up sometime soon.

Post 377877 by Jamest5r on 2011-05-13 23:03:34

That is mental, a t5 block in something that weighs next to nothing, would like to see what it would do on a 1/4 mile.

Post 377878 by MWT5 on 2011-05-13 23:05:10

[quote=Paul Hassell;377869]Hi mate, not bothered about the nationals this year and not even doing Border Counties this year because I will be at the F1 in Spa ! Hope you will get your frame sorted soon and hope we can meet up sometime soon.[/quote] F1 in spa lucky man, lol I ll get the front end sorted soon just got to stick with one idea and stop changing it, no doubt we will bump into each other at one of the big meetings. Have a great time at spa.

Post 377879 by LiamT4 on 2011-05-13 23:08:23

[quote=jamest5r;377877]That is mental, a t5 block in something that weighs next to nothing, would like to see what it would do on a 1/4 mile.[/quote] Depends what the gearing is like, but i'd imagine it to be pretty quick!

Post 377884 by Paul Hassell on 2011-05-13 23:20:22

We regularly do Santa Pod with our other cars and this car will be there as soon as I have ironed out the usual teething problems, I will post on here as soon as I have planned a date and perhaps a few of you will come and have a meet up.

Post 377885 by LiamT4 on 2011-05-13 23:22:32

[quote=Paul Hassell;377884]We regularly do Santa Pod with our other cars and this car will be there as soon as I have ironed out the usual teething problems, I will post on here as soon as I have planned a date and perhaps a few of you will come and have a meet up.[/quote] I'd definatly go to see this go up the strip.

Post 384618 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-08 11:40:09

Finally got the beast out on the track a couple of weekends ago. she absolutely flies, only a driveshaft failure in the 1st race slowed me down, this was only caused by a rear arm mounting bracket bending causing the shaft to extend further than it should and pulled the joint out, this resulted in a spectacular multiple spin because I was under full power when it happened and I have locked the diff !! Out again with it this Sunday at St Neots, Bedfordshire if anybody fancies a look. Image Image

Post 384712 by Alan M on 2011-06-08 17:51:15

Great to see it up and Going Paul. Whats it go like with the Volvo engine in now compared to the last lump?

Post 384756 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-08 19:11:44

It was awesome in a straight line, we knew almost immediately that we had a problem with the suspension mount so we were nursing it a bit in the corners, but it was still a good shakedown. Be pushing it more this Sunday !!!

Post 386692 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-15 12:11:02

Absolutely flying on Sunday at St Neots with no problems at all. We will be doing some demonstration races at Brandon Stadium Coventry on Saturday night if anybody is nearby.

Post 386696 by 96T5Andy on 2011-06-15 13:46:02

Only just seen the pictures on this thread! that is awesome, must be so much fun!

Post 386698 by Dave86 on 2011-06-15 13:51:12

Id love something like this but wouldn't even know where round start if i was to build one lol

Post 387137 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-17 09:47:14

Believe me there is a hell of a lot of work involved in building them from scratch like we do!!

Post 387139 by p fandango on 2011-06-17 09:59:31

[quote=Paul Hassell;386692]Absolutely flying on Sunday at St Neots with no problems at all. We will be doing some demonstration races at Brandon Stadium Coventry on Saturday night if anybody is nearby.[/quote] how much is it to get in & what time, almost missed your post & i'm only round the corner lol

Post 387143 by p fandango on 2011-06-17 10:06:49

LINK does look like a good meet

Post 387144 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-17 10:39:24

[quote=p fandango;387139]how much is it to get in & what time, almost missed your post & i'm only round the corner lol[/quote] If you do happen to come, please make sure you come and find me in the pits, it would be great to put a face to a name !!

Post 387148 by p fandango on 2011-06-17 11:56:17

[quote=Paul Hassell;387144]If you do happen to come, please make sure you come and find me in the pits, it would be great to put a face to a name !![/quote] i certainly will sir

Post 387158 by Wobbly Dave on 2011-06-17 12:22:06

It would be awesome to see. Can I have a go (cheeky I know)

Post 387160 by p fandango on 2011-06-17 12:24:01

[quote=Wobbly Dave;387158]It would be awesome to see. Can I have a go (cheeky I know)[/quote] still not sure whats planned for tomorrow, but if i do go i'll be taking my video camera. Be interesting to see how it does on the small Brandon circuit

Post 387165 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-17 12:39:02

Well it will be good to see you if you do go, and any video footage will be good. we will have our on board camera on as well so perhaps we could mix both into a video we could bung on our you tube.

Post 387169 by Wobbly Dave on 2011-06-17 12:58:30

Sadly I will be busy getting ready for my trip to Malaysia. It would be really good if you could bring the grassy T5 to Avon Park - we could see what kind of 1/4 you can get out of it. Have you changed the gear ratio?

Post 387172 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-17 13:09:20

Sadly I cant make the Avon Park meet because we have a big 2 day meeting at my home club at St Neots. We are planning a day at Santa Pod at some point this summer so will post a date on here when we know it and if anybody fancies coming along we could make a day of it ! The gearbox has standard ratio's at the moment as I want to get the chassis and handling sorted before we start developing the engine and transmission.

Post 387174 by Wobbly Dave on 2011-06-17 13:26:04

I am not a huge fan of santa pod because the fire up lane is separated from the strip itself. Queuing is a chore, coz you can't see squat! However I will give it a go again just to see your machine perform. Should be a giggle.

Post 387773 by p fandango on 2011-06-19 08:54:32

how did it go at Brandon last night? Sorry i didn't make it, had guests round & lost track of time. Let us know if your here again please sir

Post 388381 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-21 12:43:50

[quote=p fandango;387773]how did it go at Brandon last night? Sorry i didn't make it, had guests round & lost track of time. Let us know if your here again please sir[/quote] Yes we had a fantastic night, took us a while to get the set up right as the shale had so much grip I couldn't get the back to step out properly but eventually we got it sorted by putting a smaller diameter tyre on the inside rear wheel. Image I think we may have had to much back pressure in the exhaust though because it melted the baffles shut in the exhaust !!! Image

Post 388457 by MWT5 on 2011-06-21 18:19:03

Wow what exhaust can is that. Good to see it up and running well paul,I'm probably looking at next season for mine too much work and not enough motivation .

Post 388638 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-22 10:43:46

[quote=MWT5;388457]Wow what exhaust can is that. Good to see it up and running well paul,I'm probably looking at next season for mine too much work and not enough motivation .[/quote] Kawasaki ZX12 titanium !!

Post 388899 by Alan M on 2011-06-23 07:37:12

What bore is that exhasut? Looks a little small but pictures can be deceiving. You can make your own 3" bore backbox item with decent baffelling for under £60 if you have a mig or tig welder.

Post 388910 by Paul Hassell on 2011-06-23 09:53:25

[quote=Alan M;388899]What bore is that exhasut? Looks a little small but pictures can be deceiving. You can make your own 3" bore backbox item with decent baffelling for under £60 if you have a mig or tig welder.[/quote] It was 3" but with a bit too much baffle, we have now cut the 2 ends off, removed the inner baffle section, made up a straight through perforated baffle tube and stitched that inside, then TIG welded the ends back on. Should get it refitted on the car tonite and see how she sounds.

Post 417448 by Paul Hassell on 2011-10-19 11:48:35

Ok, I thought I had better update this tread a little. I have just about finished this season and other than a lot of exploded CV joints the car has proved it has bags of potential. I have had a pair of (hopefully) unbreakable driveshafts made which use UJs instead of CVs. My biggest plan for the winter is to remove the turbo and fit a supercharger instead to give me more usable power across the full rev range. Image[/IMG]

Post 417450 by Wobbly Dave on 2011-10-19 11:54:39

Looking good there paul - what turbo is on there at the mo?

Post 417453 by Paul Hassell on 2011-10-19 12:12:50

[quote=Wobbly Dave;417450]Looking good there paul - what turbo is on there at the mo?[/quote] It is the 15g.

Post 467540 by Paul Hassell on 2012-02-27 17:57:32

I an considering selling my toy now as I cant see me getting any time to race it this season, so she is now advertised on the classifieds, have a look and feel free to give me a shout if you are interested.

Post 467578 by Dave86 on 2012-02-27 18:59:17

Hi Paul i don't suppose it was you i saw at work today i work in the unit next door to all scene all props in goudhurst.

Post 467785 by Paul Hassell on 2012-02-27 22:11:03

[quote=Dave86;467578]Hi Paul i don't suppose it was you i saw at work today i work in the unit next door to all scene all props in goudhurst.[/quote] Yes mate that was me, you should have come and said hello.

Post 467804 by Dave86 on 2012-02-27 22:30:28

Ah thought so it took me a while to work out where id seen 'sew smart embroidery' before lol