Pass-the-Parcel
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Post 457131 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-30 23:05:51
I have often thought it would be useful to have arrangements where members could post within the classifieds section a pass-the-parcel sub-board or sticky thread, where you could arrange collection or delivery by mutual co-operation, bulky items - which would be otherwise expensive to send professionally.
These need not necessarily be from sales within the forum itself.
A lot of peeps have large cars ideal for the purpose - and it would be good if people were passing by or close by to arrange pick-up or delivery of items.
I realise that this could be open to abuse & there are some risks involved - insurance & accidental damage, which would need to be considered before allowing it.
So long as the carrier wa not held responsible for the parcel (i.e. the sender/receiver would be responsible for arranging any insurance if applicable).
Post 457139 by smithson007 on 2012-01-30 23:19:29
Sounds quite a good idea. Id be willing to take part in it.
Post 457142 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-30 23:28:24
No one person would have to do the whole trip. I also thought that the multi relay approach may be appropriate?
Post 457143 by M-R-P on 2012-01-30 23:30:19
I like it Dave. I'm in.
When I'm king, im gonna appoint you my ideas man ;)
Post 457148 by smithson007 on 2012-01-30 23:36:11
[quote=Wobbly Dave;457142]No one person would have to do the whole trip. I also thought that the multi relay approach may be appropriate?[/quote]
Makes sense really for the amount of treking about some of us do to get to meet's and things.
Post 457149 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-30 23:37:21
I am not suggesting we turn this into a removals service, nor make Martin into Postman Pat - however I think there is scope to arrange drop offs & pick ups.
Post 457150 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-30 23:39:53
[quote=smithson007;457148]Makes sense really for the amount of treking about some of us do to get to meet's and things.[/quote]
Precisely - it would be good to have a place to ask for help & arrange such things, even if a meeting was not imminent.
I also think it should be done FOC - with no expectation of payment for fuel - entirely voluntary.
I also think you should have to have a minimum post count to be allowed to ask or volunteer.
Post 457152 by smithson007 on 2012-01-30 23:40:44
[quote=Wobbly Dave;457149]I am not suggesting we turn this into a removals service, nor make Martin into Postman Pat - however I think there is scope to arrange drop offs & pick ups.[/quote]
Well im sure if we all fitted tow bars to our cars we could all tow massive trailers around to do a bit of removals. Could be a high speed removal service.
Post 457153 by smithson007 on 2012-01-30 23:46:13
[quote=Wobbly Dave;457150]Precisely - it would be good to have a place to ask for help & arrange such things, even if a meeting was not imminent.
I also think it should be done FOC - with no expectation of payment for fuel - entirely voluntary.
I also think you should have to have a minimum post count to be allowed to ask or volunteer.[/quote]
Yes there would have to be a largeish amount of trust put on to people because some items could be worth a bit.
I agree that it shouldnt be expected that you get paid for it. Volantry basis only.
At the end of the day if your already going somewhere and you have space in the car you might aswell use that space.
Post 457154 by Porcine_Aviator on 2012-01-30 23:48:56
[quote=martinrpeachey;457143]I like it Dave. I'm in.
When I'm king, im gonna appoint you my ideas man ;)[/quote]
At least you don't want to be Queen. :help:
Post 457155 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-30 23:49:02
Insurance considerations would be entirely with the source or destination parties only.
Post 457162 by JUDGENINJA on 2012-01-31 00:30:56
I would be willing to do meet to meet deliveries in the south
Post 457168 by Vikingxl on 2012-01-31 02:23:33
How long until someone is sat at a motorway services for hours waiting for someone to turn up?
Post 457173 by Santa on 2012-01-31 07:03:41
Its a nice idea but as you say there are a few pitfuls which could potentially become liabilities on the forum if we were to actively endorse this. (i.e. put up a dedicated section).
I will see what my legal guy says but I probably won't be able to ask him until April.
Either way we won't even attempt to stop forum members organising this between themselves using one of the forums already provided :-). (Please be really careful though as the site management/ownership/mods/etc won't be able to help in any sort of official capacity in the event something goes wrong, I would advise you only provide this service to people you know well or have met at meets etc in the past).
Post 457183 by M-R-P on 2012-01-31 08:30:13
Well put Santa. Having a dedicated thread could imply some liability by the VPC forum which, as it stands now, wouldn't we a wise idea. However, A mutual agreement by members, between themselves, using insurances supplied by themselves and even taking photos before and after transportation if necessary, started from a thread like "is anybody going to..." would negate Liability on the part of the forum?
Just a thought, bit early for me really.
Post 457213 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-31 11:54:47
Perhaps bidding on a fridge in Carlisle is a dumb idea.
I am beginning to wonder that the scope to allow a dedicated sub-board within the classifieds, would be so narrow as to make this whole idea redundant.
I agree with Viking that motorway services rendez-vous can be frustrating - however I think it could be mitigated to an extent by the legal use of mobile phones (don't want any accidents!!).
The whole thing would be as the titile suggests - the movement of items along a slow but free chain of members.
If we cap the value of items to £500 - I am sure that Lance (our in-house insurance expert) may be able to help.
I think if there were clear Terms & Conditions behind this then no-one can complain they didn't know?
Post 457231 by rikcougar on 2012-01-31 13:55:30
We have a system called "cougarforce" on our UKC.com forum which subscribed members can post from and to details and members will fill in the gaps, don`t think it implies any liability at all.
That said, it is a much smaller forum (not many F*rd Cougars sold) and everybody knows everybody if you know what I mean
Post 457235 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-31 14:08:33
Damn it - I will now spend most of the afternoon trying to think up a decent flaming name for this.
Post 457237 by M-R-P on 2012-01-31 14:14:42
Moose Mail?
VPD?
Parcel Moose?
Vmail?
Post 457238 by rikcougar on 2012-01-31 14:19:01
V Force?
V Power?
Mmmmm, might be copyright problems with that one :buttkick:
Post 457245 by Porcine_Aviator on 2012-01-31 14:46:56
Wobbly Wheels
Wheely Good Transport
Post 457254 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-01-31 15:18:29
Volvo Express - Volv-Ex
VPS (Volvo Parcel Service)
Post 457289 by Santa on 2012-01-31 17:26:45
Coming up with a list of proposed rules, disclaimers, terms and conditions might be a better (though not as fun) use of time? (It would certainly help convince me ;-) )
Post 457646 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 00:10:33
that's a shame - I felt it would be more amusing to come up with amusing names.
Personally I think that the standard pub car park disclaimer will do...
Rules
Rule 1. VPCUK.org & its owners is not responsible for the loss, damage or theft of any items moved using the parcel relay service, neither it is responsible for the safety of members within the relay (see G5), when lifting or moving items within the relay.
Rule 2. The relay master (thread originator) setting up a relay is entirely responsible for arranging insurance for those items. Whilst all efforts will be made by the relayers involved to ensure the safe & successful carriage of the items - lost, theft or damage of those items remains the sole risk of the relay master. When an item reaches its destination or waypoint in the relay - it is the responsibility of the relay master to manage/co-ordinate the item movement & any subsequent pickups in the relay chain. Also the relay master is responsible for updating the thread.
Rule 3 - no members with less than 100 posts should be used in the relay & no members in that category may create a new relay thread.
Rule 4 - Feedback mechanism under should be used to qualify/ guide other members as to the suitability to be used in a relay.
Rule 5. Strictly voluntary & free of charge - no money should be levied or demanded by participants in the relay. Any one trying to earn or blackmail or otherwise dishonestly obtain monies for be part of the parcel relay will suffer punative action from the forum staff & it may lead to possible criminal investigations being started against them.
It is entirely the responsibility of the thread originator to co-ordinate & manage the movement, including any intermediate steps & to vet the members he/she wishes to use within a given relay.
Rule 6 - Safety first - if the relay member feels unsure or unwilling upon discovery of the item at the point of pick up - then they are not duty bound to carry out the arranged pickup. They should notify the relay master, who is then responsible for making alternative arrangements.
Rule 7 - No animals, pets or other livestock can be arranged in the relay - inanimate objects only. Anyone trying to set up animal based relays will have their rights to organise removed & the relay in question will be deleted.
Rule 8 - No dangerous or illegal items to be included either. Basically anything you can't sell on ebay cannot be carried.
Rule 9 - Unclaimed items - if for any reason that a part delivered item in a relay is left unclaimed at an intermediate relay waypoint for more than 90 days from the date that the relay master was notified on the original organising thread the item then becomes the legal property of the relayer, unless they are otherwise notified on the original thread, by the relay master.
Guidelines
G1. The relay service should only move items up to a maximum replacement value of £750.
G2. A single thread should only scope the movement of a maximum of 3 items or items weighing no more than 50 Kgs (which ever is the least) - approximately the weight of a standard size dishwasher. Heavier items such as engines & gearboxes should not be relayed.
G3. Try where possible to avoid motorway service station relays. Traffic Jams & missed deadlines will only serve to undermine the principles of trust, community & co-operation with which the relay service is based.
G4. Where possible - any unique identifying marks such as serial numbers should be noted to ensure that the expected item is delivered.
G5. Use HSSE standard techniques for lifting and carry items safely. If in doubt - just leave it. Contact the relay master.
This list is not exhaustive & I am not sure whether engine or transmissions are too heavy/dangerous to be moved.
Post 457649 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 00:29:46
I am quite happy to moderate my own idea, if you feel it is suitable.
Post 457660 by Santa on 2012-02-01 07:09:14
Looking good Dave, I will look over it in full later.
Thanks for the offer of moderation. If it goes ahead you will be the moderator for the section :-p
Post 457665 by M-R-P on 2012-02-01 08:31:24
Nice one Dave, can we go back to silly names now? ;)
Post 457666 by rikcougar on 2012-02-01 08:32:44
[quote=martinrpeachey;457665]nice one dave, can we go back to silly names now? ;)[/quote]
vpcrstubwd ?
Post 457672 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 09:54:35
Volpers. Volvo Parcel Relay Service.
Post 457677 by jdavis on 2012-02-01 10:43:43
A cracking idea! I'd be up for it but I dont travel that far, but it could be something i would use. Obviously fuel contribution would be given.
Post 457680 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 11:04:35
Absolutely not. Service has to be free of charge, otherwise it could be seen as professional, opening cans of worms about how much & invite ideas from the Sale of Goods & Services act 1982- it just doesn't bear thinking of. The premise of "Just Passing" is at the core of this relay.
Post 457685 by M-R-P on 2012-02-01 11:28:30
I got one...
Helpful And Legal Free Ovlov Relay Delivery Service.
Halfords for short ;)
Post 457692 by rikcougar on 2012-02-01 11:48:47
It has to be as informal as possible, as soon as you start to formalise it at all you will run into problems, better left as mates helping each other out but having a forum section to post asking for help.
Post 457720 by t5steve on 2012-02-01 13:58:34
great idea...........would be more than willing to help out as and when i can...........money permitting (don't take this the wrong way, i am NOT asking for any payment).........have picked up items in the past and will do again if i can............this really is a good idea, thanks dave for setting it up...........
Post 457721 by daza-b on 2012-02-01 14:03:10
i have a big volvo lol.....ill help where i can :D
Post 457722 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 14:06:46
Precisely. I would still like peoples thoughts on v. large/ heavy items - in particular engines & gearboxes. Don't want anyone getting hurt.
Maximising effeciency based on journeys that would be made regardless, is the fundamental principle of this - hence making it greener.
Post 457728 by M-R-P on 2012-02-01 14:22:20
Engines and gearboxes shouldn't be a problem, providing there are suitable methods in place for loading and unloading of said items. Also the vehicle's maximum weight should obviously be observed.
Post 457730 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 14:29:52
In that case should the relay master be obliged to arrange suitable straps for securing the load? Should they be restricted to only V-series cars?
What happens if you get to the other end & there is no-one to help you unload?
Post 457731 by t5steve on 2012-02-01 14:30:58
sorry have to count me out of heavy items unless someone is available to load/unload.........back problems i'm afraid
Post 457734 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-02-01 14:51:27
Steve - I have already laid in guideline about heavy items. No-one is ito lift or carry anything they aren't happy with.
Post 457748 by M-R-P on 2012-02-01 16:57:23
[quote=Wobbly Dave;457730]In that case should the relay master be obliged to arrange suitable straps for securing the load? Should they be restricted to only V-series cars?
What happens if you get to the other end & there is no-one to help you unload?[/quote]
Agreed, If the ruling states no items over, say, 50Kg, anybody partaking in heavier loads, do so at their own risk and no blame should be placed on VPCUK for any mis-haps resulting from said load.
Post 457798 by stribo on 2012-02-01 18:57:16
[quote=rikcougar;457231]We have a system called "cougarforce" on our UKC.com forum which subscribed members can post from and to details and members will fill in the gaps, don`t think it implies any liability at all.
That said, it is a much smaller forum (not many F*rd Cougars sold) and everybody knows everybody if you know what I mean[/quote]
As Rik has mentioned Cougarforce, from my experience it works well, and no liability is implied, or taken, I've have been party to it a couple of times myself. Basically someone posts that they need something taken, or collected from A to B, and if anyone can help they reply, with no comeback to the forum itself.
Post 468973 by Santa on 2012-03-02 14:07:27
Hi Guys,
Sorry for the thread revival. It seems today has been fairly productive and this new section is about to be created.
I'll post again when it is open.
Cheers :-)