Bored of performance car ownership.......

Post 470659 by Santa on 2012-03-05 19:25:42

OK probably a weird title on such a forum but I think I'm getting bored with performance car ownership. I say this every so often to people and most recently I was talking to Justin about it last time I saw him. I'm sure owning a performance car used to be fun, access to all that power if I ever required it. Then it started becoming a pain in the §§§§. Fuel costs, insurance, repairs, over expensive tyres, pot holes, more repairs, never really using the power apart from getting out of the odd junction. But recently I'm not even seeing the point of performance car ownership. Track/race days are fun but I'm sure the person who had the most fun at Cadwell took a Nissan Micra. I would probably regret not having a car with a decent amount poke if I got rid of the S60R........well thats what I used to think..........just don't know anymore. Am I alone in thinking this?

Post 470661 by local-looney on 2012-03-05 19:28:59

i think there must be a quite a few people with the same reasoning as yours.. fuel costs and tyres must be a concern..im quite fortunate as get my tyres at trade prices..shame i cant get trade price unleaded!!!!!

Post 470665 by Santa on 2012-03-05 19:33:23

[quote=850-shane;470661]i think there must be a quite a few people with the same reasoning as yours.. fuel costs and tyres must be a concern..im quite fortunate as get my tyres at trade prices..shame i cant get trade price unleaded!!!!![/quote] Not really........it's not really a money argument as such.........don't really know what it is..........old age?.........getting wiser?........going boring?

Post 470666 by foammanmark on 2012-03-05 19:33:31

You need to do what I'vwe done, and have both a D5 motor and an R/T5. The D5 goes really well, but when you get in the petrol performance car, you appreciate it more. Then after a while in the petrol car, you get back in the D5 and appreciate the mpg that you get from that......

Post 470667 by daza-b on 2012-03-05 19:33:36

yes and no mate, im really looking at the P2 v70 D5, but would never get rid on the t5, but i have a trade policy so insurance not a problem, thats the only difference :) [quote=Santa;470659]OK probably a weird title on such a forum but I think I'm getting bored with performance car ownership. I say this every so often to people and most recently I was talking to Justin about it last time I saw him. I'm sure owning a performance car used to be fun, access to all that power if I ever required it. Then it started becoming a pain in the §§§§. Fuel costs, insurance, repairs, over expensive tyres, pot holes, more repairs, never really using the power apart from getting out of the odd junction. But recently I'm not even seeing the point of performance car ownership. Track/race days are fun but I'm sure the person who had the most fun at Cadwell took a Nissan Micra. I would probably regret not having a car with a decent amount poke if I got rid of the S60R........well thats what I used to think..........just don't know anymore. Am I alone in thinking this?[/quote]

Post 470668 by t5 pete on 2012-03-05 19:33:40

I was kinda in the same boat I was fed up of the rough ride of the t5 also it seems that there's always something that needed doing as modding one thing caused another problem so I decided to buy a stock v70 r to run round in and keep the t5 for fun days etc

Post 470669 by Al115 on 2012-03-05 19:34:11

I totally got there myself with the more "extreme" cars... stripped-out trackday cars on the roads, the heavily-modded Evo I used to have, etc... Just not worth the hassle anymore. It's also a fact that for day-to-day driving aronud town I prefer our 110bhp Yaris T-Sport to the Volvo. Think you make a good point!

Post 470673 by Kingsford G on 2012-03-05 19:42:57

If u only do about 200miles a month in it like me u'll love them forever

Post 470676 by jayeastanglia on 2012-03-05 19:45:53

@santa why not just buy a small engine car for daily drive(a lot of insurance companys do multi car policys as well) and if after a few weeks u hate the small engine car which u will you can go for a blast in the fast car

Post 470677 by Santa on 2012-03-05 19:46:30

[quote=Kingsford G;470673]If u only do about 200miles a month in it like me u'll love them forever[/quote] [quote=jayeastanglia;470676]@santa why not just buy a small engine car for daily drive(a lot of insurance companys do multi car policys as well) and if after a few weeks u hate the small engine car which u will you can go for a blast in the fast car[/quote] I probably don't do much more than that most months in the volvo. I do a lot of miles in a diesel.

Post 470679 by dalhousie2008 on 2012-03-05 19:48:03

I use mine lots sometimes 1000miles a week, but it's my own business and use it for collecting interior for custom furniture builds, but have thought about getting a diesel for the long distance stuff. But then would one think maybe I don't need a Volvo?

Post 470680 by M-R-P on 2012-03-05 19:49:15

I was getting bored but in a way that would lead to lowering springs and a remap but i had the chance to really drive the T5 yesterday and I'm fine now, for a while;) i think you need a P O S to potter about in during the week, so you can get the love back for the R over the weekend.

Post 470683 by Santa on 2012-03-05 19:50:14

[quote=dalhousie2008;470679]I use mine lots sometimes 1000miles a week, but it's my own business and use it for collecting interior for custom furniture builds, but have thought about getting a diesel for the long distance stuff. But then would one think maybe I don't need a Volvo?[/quote] Thats where I'm at, been running a diesel for a few years to do the miles. (I used to use the S60R for commuting). Exactly at that point as well......whats the point of the other car. As I said its not a money thing......just a wasteful shame I suppose and trying to justify the point of having such a car.

Post 470689 by turbo-tuner on 2012-03-05 19:54:49

[quote=Santa;470659]OK probably a weird title on such a forum but I think I'm getting bored with performance car ownership. I say this every so often to people and most recently I was talking to Justin about it last time I saw him. I'm sure owning a performance car used to be fun, access to all that power if I ever required it. Then it started becoming a pain in the §§§§. Fuel costs, insurance, repairs, over expensive tyres, pot holes, more repairs, never really using the power apart from getting out of the odd junction. But recently I'm not even seeing the point of performance car ownership. Track/race days are fun but I'm sure the person who had the most fun at Cadwell took a Nissan Micra. I would probably regret not having a car with a decent amount poke if I got rid of the S60R........well thats what I used to think..........just don't know anymore. Am I alone in thinking this?[/quote] I know exactly what you mean. High performance just doesn't do it for me anymore. I drove to Dorking in the V60 at the weekend for a wedding, and was perfectly content just cruising and listening to music on the decent sound system. I use the power when needed, like joining a motorway, and I occasionally enjoy chucking it around the corners. But I'm quite happy just to enjoy the car as it is. I was tempted to increase the power up to 270 hp with a special RICA upgrade, but I'm not sure I can be bothered with heavy modding anymore.

Post 470690 by volvokid on 2012-03-05 19:57:29

[quote=foammanmark;470666]You need to do what I'vwe done, and have both a D5 motor and an R/T5. The D5 goes really well, but when you get in the petrol performance car, you appreciate it more. Then after a while in the petrol car, you get back in the D5 and appreciate the mpg that you get from that......[/quote] Im in the same boat, i dont thrash the V40 at all really there's no point it isnt fun, plus im averaging 54mpg at the moment. I would like to give the R more beans but most of the time i get slaughtered if i put my foot down becuase SHES with me lol.

Post 470691 by Santa on 2012-03-05 19:58:11

[quote=turbo-tuner;470689]I know exactly what you mean. High performance just doesn't do it for me anymore. I drove to Dorking in the V60 at the weekend for a wedding, and was perfectly content just cruising and listening to music on the decent sound system. I use the power when needed, like joining a motorway, and I occasionally enjoy chucking it around the corners. But I'm quite happy just to enjoy the car as it is. I was tempted to increase the power up to 270 hp with a special RICA upgrade, but I'm not sure I can be bothered with heavy modding anymore.[/quote] Thats pretty much where I'm at I think :-)

Post 470695 by volvokid on 2012-03-05 20:08:07

[quote=Santa;470691]Thats pretty much where I'm at I think :-)[/quote] I go through stages when i think i could spend my money on other things but Volvo's are my thing, if i was ever struggling then my priorities would change, id like to replace my V40 shes getting very rusty after i had a full respray in 2007 but it was a cheap one as the car was bought for my work mainly and it cost me nothing appart from maintenance so i cant see the point trading it in and spending out on a newer car.

Post 470706 by dalhousie2008 on 2012-03-05 20:34:50

I get about 34 mpg on a run, so not dreadful I only used to get 42 out of my cmax 2.0 tdci, and diesel costs more. So not a big saving, but trying not to do big miles

Post 470710 by T5RPete on 2012-03-05 20:40:43

I see where your coming from. I made a point of making sure I could get to Cadwell. It was great not to worry about MPG figures and just enjoy using the power i've got under the bonnet! I've just taken the Volvo off the road whilst my VW van project is being done. In the meantime i'm running a '96 Fiesta Van 1.8Diesel. I actually quite enjoy driving it, it's not got the handling or the power of the Volvo, and I don't care about if it gets dents or rust like I would the Volvo. I'm sure give it a couple of months and i'll be craving the Volvo. But when it does come back on the road, i'll enjoy it soo much more!

Post 470718 by AndysR on 2012-03-05 20:56:07

I know exactly where your coming from Rich and having had the use of a company car for the last 12 years having the Volvo, whilst being a great luxury, doesn't really cut the mustard anymore. I've had that opinion for the last few years and in 2010 I had a spend up to rejuvinate my interest in the car and whilst it's great to go for a blat it's getting to the point, and this will sound harsh/lazy, where I can't be bothered to dig the Volvo out favouring the company car especially if I need to go somewhere and park up in a car park. The Volvo was off the road at the begining of November last year and I only put it back on the road at the begining of February, I've driven it once and that was to RT's for it's service, the drive there was lovely and the car drove beautifully but I can't help but think why have a car like that to only use occassionally and when you do use it you can't "use it" if that makes sense. I currently have a VW Golf as a company car and I play games while driving it to try and get the best fuel consumption I can out of it. Favouring the sound of the CD/Media player over an enthusiastic drive and I've noticed this is a driving style which I've adopted in the Volvo which begs the question do I really need the extra performance and road holding of the Volvo anymore? I've threatend it on a number of occassions now but I genuinely feel that there is less Volvo ownership ahead of me than there is behind me. I keep toying with the idea of doing more to the Volvo but my sensible head is saying don't bother it's not worth it anymore and at the moment the sensible head wins the arguement...

Post 470748 by Jamest5r on 2012-03-05 21:22:43

Santa, if your bored with your car give it to Nat she's waiting for you to give her a volvo problem solved :) Bet you wanna keep it now :)

Post 470776 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-05 21:37:29

In my house i have a nice amp and some good tower speakers, i don't have them on very often and when i do they hardly ever go past about 30% of their maximum output. Will i get rid of them? No chance, although they are rarely used anywhere near there full potential, its nice to know that if i do want to crank the power up, that they can perform. Same with cars, i might not use the power much but its nice to know that its there. Nothing worse than being stuck behind slow traffic up a crawler lane in a slow car.

Post 470782 by The Flying Moose on 2012-03-05 21:40:20

[quote=LiamT4;470776]In my house i have a nice amp and some good tower speakers, i don't have them on very often and when i do they hardly ever go past about 30% of their maximum output. Will i get rid of them? No chance, although they are rarely used anywhere near there full potential, its nice to know that if i do want to crank the power up, that they can perform. Same with cars, i might not use the power much but its nice to know that its there. Nothing worse than being stuck behind slow traffic up a crawler lane in a slow car.[/quote] Now there is a man that follows my own heart! Personally if money isn't an issue then I think you'll only regret it unless you substitute it for something else.

Post 470820 by JUDGENINJA on 2012-03-05 21:57:03

I've had the slower smaller car.. Just didn't get on with them.. You'd miss it

Post 470850 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-05 22:20:08

I've kept my interest peaked by just doing different things. I am blessed in so much I don't have a car-journey commute to do. But yes I realise there is a point where spending vast sums on tyres & petrol could become tiresome. At the end of the day it boils down to what you want out of the car. For just road use T5s make no sense at all when compared with viable diesel alternatives. I actually like the continuous battle between time, car rot & also the interesting things between making a fast road car with track asperations. Did you not have fun on the track?

Post 470901 by Dangerous Dave on 2012-03-05 23:05:58

I've been thinking the same recently Rich (though mine is hardly in the 'peformance' bracket). On top of that there is a problem with the engine that needs sorting, as well as a ton of other things. Unfortunately due to running costs and the problems it is coming off the road at the end of March. But trying to find a cheap runaround is not easy. I have sourced a car (free too) but it isn't going to be much cheaper to run :( Also there is nowhere you can have a blast these days, you're either stuck in traffic jams or in a long queue of slow §§§§s on a national lmit road with no chance of ever getting to the front (my recent drive back from the Highlands proved that) and the rest is just cruising on the motorway where TBH economy is more the thing, as anyone can drive fast on a motorway, just that some can get mega mpg at 80, whereas I get 25mpg from my poorly Volvo.

Post 470903 by Jim S70R on 2012-03-05 23:08:06

[quote=LiamT4;470776]In my house i have a nice amp and some good tower speakers, i don't have them on very often and when i do they hardly ever go past about 30% of their maximum output. Will i get rid of them? No chance, although they are rarely used anywhere near there full potential, its nice to know that if i do want to crank the power up, that they can perform. Same with cars, i might not use the power much but its nice to know that its there. Nothing worse than being stuck behind slow traffic up a crawler lane in a slow car.[/quote] [quote=The Flying Moose;470782]Now there is a man that follows my own heart! Personally if money isn't an issue then I think you'll only regret it unless you substitute it for something else.[/quote] Well said guys....

Post 470909 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-05 23:13:44

Something to remember about the t5 engines is that you don't have to drive fast to enjoy them, just take it up to 3000rpm and enjoy the noise, always makes me smile. I'll miss the noise when its gone.

Post 470914 by AndysR on 2012-03-05 23:17:07

[quote=LiamT4;470909]Something to remember about the t5 engines is that you don't have to drive fast to enjoy them, just take it up to 3000rpm and enjoy the noise, always makes me smile. I'll miss the noise when its gone.[/quote] Have you had many bites? Not sure if you have but Pistonheads is a good place to advertise your car :)

Post 470915 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-05 23:18:43

[quote=AndysR;470914]Have you had many bites? Not sure if you have but Pistonheads is a good place to advertise your car :)[/quote] Not put it up for sale yet, been trying to get an oil leak sorted out first.

Post 470945 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 00:04:12

[quote=Santa;470659]OK probably a weird title on such a forum but I think I'm getting bored with performance car ownership. I say this every so often to people and most recently I was talking to Justin about it last time I saw him. I'm sure owning a performance car used to be fun, access to all that power if I ever required it. Then it started becoming a pain in the §§§§. Fuel costs, insurance, repairs, over expensive tyres, pot holes, more repairs, never really using the power apart from getting out of the odd junction. But recently I'm not even seeing the point of performance car ownership. Track/race days are fun but I'm sure the person who had the most fun at Cadwell took a Nissan Micra. I would probably regret not having a car with a decent amount poke if I got rid of the S60R........well thats what I used to think..........just don't know anymore. Am I alone in thinking this?[/quote] Saw a police focus ST run through a big junction on the green man today on Great Western road intersection with Byres road - he went really slow then gunned it down an empty GW road (which is like a runway) Looked like this one: If it sounds THAT good on the stock exhaust - you owe it to the world to get that 5 cyl sound out there on a sports exhaust! I have similar thoughts to you - then I take mine and go for a good drive with the windows down, and I'm glad I own it again.

Post 470952 by M-R-P on 2012-03-06 00:21:38

Well Rich, if you're that bored with it and fancy something more sensible, I'll do you a favour and let you swap it for my bang-tidy ex-plod ;)

Post 470965 by Santa on 2012-03-06 07:27:51

Good points guys and some really hit the nail on the head. Firstly Dave I did have fun at Cadwell. (Just wish I was more well and less ill that day). But was it just the driving around the track and seeing me mates or did the car actually add something?) At the moment I do the vast amount of mileage in a VW Passat. The only reason I still have it is because I haven't found the time to replace it......though I will have to very soon. But because its so bad I drive the Volvo at weekends and therefore can sort of justify keeping it if I maintain a blinkered view. My thoughts sort of reflect AndysR, if I were to buy a S60 D5 R-Design or a BMW 535d or a Jaguar XF 2.7D which are all fairly capable cars in the handling/comfort/power/economy department would I even bother with the S60R or any performance car ownership? Also is it really worth considering lesser alternatives to the above just to create enough gap to justify keeping the S60R when I would be using the other car for the vast majority of mileage I do?

Post 470978 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 09:25:34

[quote=Santa;470965]Good points guys and some really hit the nail on the head. Firstly Dave I did have fun at Cadwell. (Just wish I was more well and less ill that day). But was it just the driving around the track and seeing me mates or did the car actually add something?) At the moment I do the vast amount of mileage in a VW Passat. The only reason I still have it is because I haven't found the time to replace it......though I will have to very soon. But because its so bad I drive the Volvo at weekends and therefore can sort of justify keeping it if I maintain a blinkered view. My thoughts sort of reflect AndysR, if I were to buy a S60 D5 R-Design or a BMW 535d or a Jaguar XF 2.7D which are all fairly capable cars in the handling/comfort/power/economy department would I even bother with the S60R or any performance car ownership? Also is it really worth considering lesser alternatives to the above just to create enough gap to justify keeping the S60R when I would be using the other car for the vast majority of mileage I do?[/quote] 535 is kinda similar a proposition (fast GT) to the S60R minus the 4WD anyway.... 2.7D would probs feel a little anaemic compared. We all grow up sometime, but does that mean you can never indulge the inner 10 year old ? :) If I did a lot of miles... I think I'd err towards a smart S60 D5 with a remap.

Post 470979 by Mrs_PA on 2012-03-06 09:28:39

Bit worrying when the forum owner and two mods say they're tired of performance Volvos. I use my T5 day in, day out and really enjoy the driving and I love the performance and ride quality. You don't have to race or drive fast to appreciate the car. She's been a total PITA, but we just keep fixing her because the alternative is too awful to contemplate. Any time I get to wondering about a cheaper to run car, 10 minutes driving my brother's Corsa dispels that thought!

Post 470981 by Porcine_Aviator on 2012-03-06 09:37:06

I remember the Mother-in-Law's Micra AAAAAArgh small economical cars just don't work for me. My thoughts on them would not be allowed on here but they are :B_censore

Post 470994 by The Flying Moose on 2012-03-06 10:44:00

I could never get rid of the 850R... you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming. It has to be go for the best of both, a car you need to drive to work and back and a car you want to drive at the weekends. Whether thats an S60R remains your choice. I look at it a bit like classic cars now the older 850's etc are approaching 20 years old... in that sense many own classic cars which are much slower, less technical and often a much worse car in reality. It doesn't however stop you from enjoying it once in a while.

Post 470995 by wegal on 2012-03-06 10:44:58

Tyres only wear out if you hammer them, Ive had the same set on now for 15k, thats pretty good by any standard. Ok so they are not very grippy, and my next set will be grippy ones and Ill get maybe 10k out of them, but really how many miles do you expect out of a set of tryes ? Ive never had more than 15k out of a set, on any car, so the volvo is only tyre heavy if you drive it in a way that eats them. Fuel.. ok yeah if you hammer it it drinks the juice, and at todays prices that can hurt, I get 18mpg out of mine if I just use it to drive to work and back ( most of the time sat in trafic jams ) but you wont get much more out of a different car if you are just sat in jams, Ive had a few, including oil burners, and I never got good milage for my daily commute. On the open road I get 30 + which for a petrol engine isnt that bad at all. But heres the thing, 4 cars sat behind a tractor all under powered super economical modern cars, none of them can over take said tractor cos they just dont have the grunt. first bit of straight road and Im off like a rocket, with a huge smile on my face and that excited feeling in the pit of your stomach... oh and the wonderful feeling I get knowing that all those slow car drivers are all saying.... was that a VOLVO !!!!! Santa, go take your car out, on your own, in the evening, on a nice dry road, find some fun roads and plant the loud pedal, you'll soon realise that you are not bored with performance cars, and if that doesnt make you smile and feel all warm inside then yup, maybe its time to get something slow, predictable, dull, but economical. Before you do though, take a minute to look at other car drivers, in their everyday boxes, and look at just how friggin bored they look, owning a fast car is about being alive, being different from the crowd, not giving in to the demands of the "man" not conforming to what the world tells you to do. Or you could just give up on life and buy a deisal people carrier and start measuring up for your mental coffin, cos the day a fast car no longer appeals is the day you died.

Post 470996 by Jamest5r on 2012-03-06 11:03:58

Well put Mr Wegal :)

Post 470999 by Pinup_gal on 2012-03-06 11:23:25

[quote=Mrs_PA;470979]Bit worrying when the forum owner and two mods say they're tired of performance Volvos. [/quote] Why?

Post 471001 by Mrs_PA on 2012-03-06 11:42:12

[quote=Pinup_gal;470999]Why?[/quote] Really? You need it spelt out? The forum, about performance Volvos, is owned and administered by people who are bored with performance Volvos - so why would they be interested in doing the best for this forum, the subject matter of which bores them? And the person asking doesn't even have a performance Volvo.

Post 471004 by Pinup_gal on 2012-03-06 11:47:18

Yup you're right I don't own one personally but my husband does. He also states its due to time restraints that he is "bored" of CAR ownership but then you would be having to do a ton of miles daily in a diesel. You'll have probably noticed not every member owns a performance volvo. It isn't exactly limited to performance only. So I'm not sure why you would assume that we as owners do not have the sites best interests at heart.

Post 471005 by Mrs_PA on 2012-03-06 11:54:00

[quote=Pinup_gal;471004]Yup you're right I don't own one personally but my husband does. He also states its due to time restraints that he is "bored" of CAR ownership but then you would be having to do a ton of miles daily in a diesel. You'll have probably noticed not every member owns a performance volvo. It isn't exactly limited to performance only. So I'm not sure why you would assume that we as owners do not have the sites best interests at heart.[/quote] The thread title is "Bored of performance car ownership" and your husband said: [quote=Santa;470659] I'm sure owning a performance car used to be fun, access to all that power if I ever required it. Then it started becoming a pain in the §§§§. Fuel costs, insurance, repairs, over expensive tyres, pot holes, more repairs, never really using the power apart from getting out of the odd junction. But recently I'm not even seeing the point of performance car ownership.[/quote] Not exactly a "rally the troops" speech, is it? But if my throwaway comment troubles you that much....... perhaps I've touched a nerve. BUT That's all I have to say on this subject.

Post 471006 by Pinup_gal on 2012-03-06 11:58:04

You haven't troubled me at all I was merely enquiring as to why you believe we don't have the sites best interests at heart.

Post 471007 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 12:03:02

I can see both side of the arguement. This forum, the people in it is part of the mix that makes it fun. I think Hamish has as much fun thrashing the green goddess (S60 D5) auto on Oulton/Cadwell as anyone else. So technically - no you don't need an uber-powerful T5 or variant thereof, to enjoy it. As an open pit lane car - the S60R is not so important - just getting something you like driving??? Hamish says that the C70 chassis can't take it - I disagree, but therein is part of the debate/fun. Our S40 is as handling car than my C70, but I have never felt the desire to put it on a track, nor "make progress" on local A & B roads. A modern D5 with a remap will almost certainly be identical in performance to my C70 but without the noise & the rev range - it just doesn't feel the same. At the end of the day it is how the car makes you feel that is more important. I stll get a kick out of how the C70 looks and goes. Combine that with a jolly good day out with friends at a race track or 1/4 mile - then I can't see any reason to get rid of it. It's like all those road trips on TG - some of the most fun are not in expensive hypercars. If you don't feel that engaged with the S60R (personally the styling has not aged well IMHO) then get a fast diesel. One thing I realised recently was - I was letting Hamish do too much. I wasn't getting my hands dirty anymore. I think that element is also important too. I changed the fresh air feed - probably didn't do a great deal, but it was shiny, I designed & implemented it. Are you bored coz you can't do anything with the S60? In that case - sell it & buy something you can work on/learn from?? I don't want an 850 (been there done that) - perhaps you need an 850 in order to get some grease under your finger nails? Last thing - Without the T5 - I don't feel I would be as engaged with people on the forum. I have no notes to compare with. Life is about living, carpe diem & all that. Buy a motorbike, a robin reliant, jet pack whatever floats your boat. ps If you do go down the diesel route then I am sure you won't mind if we all laugh & point

Post 471008 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 12:07:56

Would you like some quiche, humus and a copy of GT to go with your economical low performance car sir? :)

Post 471009 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 12:07:59

[quote=Mrs_PA;471005]The thread title is "Bored of performance car ownership" and your husband said: Not exactly a "rally the troops" speech, is it? But if my throwaway comment troubles you that much....... perhaps I've touched a nerve. BUT That's all I have to say on this subject.[/quote] We seemed to manage fine with J & for most of the last 4 years he was in an Audi. Never did any harm. Could be worse - we could have Bob "The 760 the best car ever made - period" Isaacs running this? To be fair rather than getting upset I think we should be ribbin' him about it LOL

Post 471010 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 12:08:46

[quote=t5_monkey;471008]Would you like some quiche, humus and a copy of GT to go with your economical low performance car sir? :)[/quote] now that's more like it :stupid:

Post 471011 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 12:16:05

Aye it's either complain about free expression OR complain if someone says something u don't like... but not both!

Post 471012 by Chad on 2012-03-06 12:23:49

oi santa...........you old git with grey beard!!! lol... maybe the next phase might get you out your boredom!! then again... you mention 535d - http://www.rica-uk.com/viewcar.aspx?vehicle=232 the jag xf - i would go for the 3.0d - http://www.rica-uk.com/viewcar.aspx?vehicle=1938 enough power and ooooooodles of torque.!! Even benny is looking for a 535d.....

Post 471013 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 12:25:13

As much as you'd need to wear a paper bag on your head to drive a Beemer.... It would probably tear said bag off your face when you hit the throttle in a remapped 535d

Post 471017 by Chad on 2012-03-06 12:30:33

very true Mr Monkey, the remapped 535d's are mental.

Post 471021 by turbo-tuner on 2012-03-06 12:44:36

[quote=Mrs_PA;471001]Really? You need it spelt out? The forum, about performance Volvos, is owned and administered by people who are bored with performance Volvos - so why would they be interested in doing the best for this forum, the subject matter of which bores them? And the person asking doesn't even have a performance Volvo.[/quote] Well, to be fair, Santa stated specifically that he is bored of performance car ownership. That doesn't mean that the subject of performance isn't interesting. And I can understand where he's coming from. If I really wanted something mental to drive, I can go and borrow it or hire it. I don't necessarily need to own it.

Post 471022 by turbo-tuner on 2012-03-06 12:47:08

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471007]If you do go down the diesel route then I am sure you won't mind if we all laugh & point[/quote] Except I'll be laughing at you when you fly off in a fast corner in your C70, which my nasty diesel can cope with no problem! :)

Post 471032 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 13:17:56

[quote=turbo-tuner;471022]Except I'll be laughing at you when you fly off in a fast corner in your C70, which my nasty diesel can cope with no problem! :)[/quote] yep I'm sure we'd all have a good laugh as we pulled his mangled body from the shattered metal and glass remains of his C70... :) the largest element of speed on the public road is the bravery/stupidity of the driver (esp in corners)... unless you're talking very large differences between 2 cars.

Post 471034 by Mrs_PA on 2012-03-06 13:21:21

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471009] To be fair rather than getting upset I think we should be ribbin' him about it LOL[/quote] To be fair, I was ribbin' him, until Pinup got all protective.

Post 471042 by turbo-tuner on 2012-03-06 13:32:44

[quote=t5_monkey;471032]yep I'm sure we'd all have a good laugh as we pulled his mangled body from the shattered metal and glass remains of his C70... :)[/quote] Having accompanied Wobbly to hospital after his previous corner-launching escapade, I can assure you it was not funny at all. I didn't actually witness the event, but when I did arrive at the scene I was very much surprised and relieved that he survived almost intact. But I'm sure you catch my drift as to what I actually meant.

Post 471052 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 13:49:06

[quote=turbo fat boy]Except I'll be laughing at you when you fly off in a fast corner in your C70, which my nasty diesel can cope with no problem! :smile:[/quote] touché Happy Meal. I trust I can hold you to that next time I organise a track day. [quote=Shorty]If I really wanted something mental to drive, I can go and borrow it or hire it. I don't necessarily need to own it.[/quote] that will be fine so long as your legs can reach the pedals LOL :P [quote=Mr_PA]To be fair, I was ribbin' him, until Pinup got all protective.[/quote] Sorry my bad

Post 471054 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 13:52:27

[quote=turbo-tuner;471042]Having accompanied Wobbly to hospital after his previous corner-launching escapade, I can assure you it was not funny at all. I didn't actually witness the event, but when I did arrive at the scene I was very much surprised and relieved that he survived almost intact. But I'm sure you catch my drift as to what I actually meant.[/quote] No offence taken - it was entire my own fault. In them days - I was just an accident waiting to happen. I'd like to think I've learned my lesson. I haven't had a speeding ticket in 4 years.

Post 471058 by turbo-tuner on 2012-03-06 14:08:28

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471052]touché Happy Meal. I trust I can hold you to that next time I organise a track day.[/quote] If it coincides with a tyre change in the future, then you're on! :)

Post 471068 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-06 14:45:34

Good stuff. I am going to Oulton Park in November. 130 quid (buy 5 tickets get 1 free) with Trackactiononline.com I think it is on a Friday. I will post something up nearer the time.

Post 471092 by jardon on 2012-03-06 17:10:02

This thread is like a confessions box - I too have thought at times that I could do without the misery of a knackered gearbox or rattly suspension etc. Things that make me like it more: Cleaning it (I've given up on the exterior for now but have recently been sprucing up the upholstery etc). My sound system is better (to me) than any car I've been in - including some really high end Bose nonsense in new Audis (just a £170 JVC CD head unit and stock speakers/10" sub). It is lovely on a quiet B road to have this much oomph - again nothing I've driven comes close. Things I've nearly torched it for: Rattles and harsh ride - finally at a happy medium with the BCs. Chasing Marco for map revisions - again, finally got there. No traction - the current diff set up is great. Overall I am really enjoying the car at the moment and this stems directly from the M66 swap and tweaking front springs/dampers/ARB - it is oddly easier to drive slowly. There were times before when I would constantly want to batter it to get some pleasure (ooer) but now it's so easy to potter around and the ride quality is good. I DO still tend to use it in a spirited fashion but it just feels "right" at present no matter what I use it for. I drove a stock T4 for a week recently and while I enjoyed the chuckability I couldn't wait to get back into my car for proper tyre shredding awesomeness. I do 10000 miles a year and my daily commute is about 5 miles - some through little lanes. My fuel costs aren't terrible because of the low mileage but I use it every day. I imagine it must be quite tiresome if the car is too track focussed and I wouldn't want to go any further with stiffer suspension/solid bushes etc than I have now.

Post 471122 by Santa on 2012-03-06 18:29:12

[quote=t5_monkey;470978]We all grow up sometime, but does that mean you can never indulge the inner 10 year old ? :) [/quote] See what your saying..........but I have a fairly decent go kart track down the road for the inner 10 year old :-p [quote=Mrs_PA;470979]Bit worrying when the forum owner and two mods say they're tired of performance Volvos.[/quote] Things are changing Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :-p In all seriousness though (as of the time of writing this post) everyone helping running this site, whether mod/admin/owner currently or have previously own(ed) a Volvo. (Not that its a pre-req, it's more of a coincidence). [quote=The Flying Moose;470994] It has to be go for the best of both, a car you need to drive to work and back and a car you want to drive at the weekends. Whether thats an S60R remains your choice. [/quote] Sounds like you're returning my advice......next it will be the birthday cards and love letters :-p [quote=wegal;470995]Santa, go take your car out, on your own, in the evening, on a nice dry road, find some fun roads and plant the loud pedal, you'll soon realise that you are not bored with performance cars, and if that doesnt make you smile and feel all warm inside then yup, maybe its time to get something slow, predictable, dull, but economical. [/quote] I do, go out for a blast of the cobwebs......then I hit a torrent of pot holes and wonder why I bothered :-( [quote=Wobbly Dave;471007] ps If you do go down the diesel route then I am sure you won't mind if we all laugh & point[/quote] I thought you were my friend..........so yeah of course I expect that lol [quote=Chad;471012]oi santa...........you old git with grey beard!!! lol... maybe the next phase might get you out your boredom!! then again... you mention 535d - http://www.rica-uk.com/viewcar.aspx?vehicle=232 the jag xf - i would go for the 3.0d - http://www.rica-uk.com/viewcar.aspx?vehicle=1938 enough power and ooooooodles of torque.!! Even benny is looking for a 535d.....[/quote] Oi Chad.........you eeerrrrmmm rather large bloke with a black and very manly beard. I think I'd be bored of owning a Nissan GTR in my current state of mind......then again maybe getting the car to my final planned stage might help....dunnoooooo Mapped P3 S60 D5 with 245bhp ish probably isn't a bad luke warm alternative....at least the handling is there. Thanks everyone anyway..............I'm still undecided..........maybe its a form of depression.

Post 471145 by manback on 2012-03-06 19:23:42

we have this exact discussion at work almost every day. i cant remember the last time i went out for a drive without worrying about how much it costs. you have to pull off silly overtakes to get clear roads but they dont stay clear long. i have no answer to your problem, all i know is, dont buy a silly diesel, been there, its rubbish!

Post 471197 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-06 21:11:26

[quote=Mrs_PA;470979] Any time I get to wondering about a cheaper to run car, 10 minutes driving my brother's Corsa dispels that thought![/quote] My mate has got a 07 plate clio and whenever i'm in it i can't help but think how boring it is. Even though its worth a lot more than my volvo (or bmw), theres no way i'd swap. [quote=wegal;470995] But heres the thing, 4 cars sat behind a tractor all under powered super economical modern cars, none of them can over take said tractor cos they just dont have the grunt. first bit of straight road and Im off like a rocket, with a huge smile on my face and that excited feeling in the pit of your stomach... oh and the wonderful feeling I get knowing that all those slow car drivers are all saying.... was that a VOLVO !!!!![/quote] That is the best part of owning a fast volvo, the surprise it gives people. Rich, i get fed up with the traffic and sometimes the state of the roads does get me down (as in i pay all this bloody road tax/fuel tax and like to keep my car in good condition just to have to drive on these f-ing crap roads!). But thats when having a nice car cheers me up. I get out of the traffic and onto a nice smooth road (national speed limit) and give it some and smile to myself at the noise of that 5cyl and then chuckle as that golf tdi that was up my chuff just becomes small dot in my rear view mirror. Driving can be annoying a lot of the time, so its nice to have a car that can make it more enjoyable and less stressfull.

Post 471217 by T5frankie on 2012-03-06 21:30:26

[quote=LiamT4;471197]My mate has got a 07 plate clio and whenever i'm in it i can't help but think how boring it is. Even though its worth a lot more than my volvo (or bmw), theres no way i'd swap. That is the best part of owning a fast volvo, the surprise it gives people. Rich, i get fed up with the traffic and sometimes the state of the roads does get me down (as in i pay all this bloody road tax/fuel tax and like to keep my car in good condition just to have to drive on these f-ing crap roads!). But thats when having a nice car cheers me up. I get out of the traffic and onto a nice smooth road (national speed limit) and give it some and smile to myself at the noise of that 5cyl and then chuckle as that golf tdi that was up my chuff just becomes small dot in my rear view mirror. Driving can be annoying a lot of the time, so its nice to have a car that can make it more enjoyable and less stressfull.[/quote] ???? why are you selling it then liam for a german oil burner?

Post 471226 by AndysR on 2012-03-06 21:41:00

[quote=Santa;471122]Thanks everyone anyway..............I'm still undecided..........maybe its a form of depression.[/quote] Possibly, I usually end up in this frame of mind over the winter months when I am even less inclined to drive the car because of the weather.. I will add one huge point to all of what I have said that is negative about owning my Volvo and then not really using it... When I don't have the option of using it, like I haven't done up to recently where it has been on a sorn, but I go to a Volvo orientated meet where there is an abundance that's a sure fire way to make me want the car right there and then :) Driving Emlyns in the car park at the Ace meet and having the odd passenger experience in between gave me the urge big time to go out for a drive in the car. I also have to confess as of today I have actually started to look forward to the weekend for 2 reasons. 1, I get my car back from RT's fresh from the service and 2, I have a Volvo meet to go to in a Volvo that I'll be driving :)

Post 471234 by The Flying Moose on 2012-03-06 21:47:19

[quote=AndysR;471226]Possibly, I usually end up in this frame of mind over the winter months when I am even less inclined to drive the car because of the weather.. I will add one huge point to all of what I have said that is negative about owning my Volvo and then not really using it... When I don't have the option of using it, like I haven't done up to recently where it has been on a sorn, but I go to a Volvo orientated meet where there is an abundance that's a sure fire way to make me want the car right there and then :) Driving Emlyns in the car park at the Ace meet and having the odd passenger experience in between gave me the urge big time to go out for a drive in the car. I also have to confess as of today I have actually started to look forward to the weekend for 2 reasons. 1, I get my car back from RT's fresh from the service and 2, I have a Volvo meet to go to in a Volvo that I'll be driving :)[/quote] Its these simple things in life that put a smile on our faces that get us through the week. You could say owning an 850R is one of life's guilty pleasures, yes it probably destroys a rain forest each year with its emissions and they alone probably account for many of the "petrol shortages", however I sit smug each evening knowing that outside on the drive is something special and its only then you realize these small things we take for granted just how lucky we are.

Post 471242 by AndysR on 2012-03-06 21:55:57

[quote=The Flying Moose;471234]Its these simple things in life that put a smile on our faces that get us through the week. You could say owning an 850R is one of life's guilty pleasures, yes it probably destroys a rain forest each year with its emissions and they alone probably account for many of the "petrol shortages", however I sit smug each evening knowing that outside on the drive is something special and its only then you realize these small things we take for granted just how lucky we are.[/quote] Which I promise will receive a proper valet at some point ;) Must confess since I typed what I typed the other day, it was a bad day, I am sitting here really really looking forward to hoping back in the car again on Saturday especially after having a chat with Russ about the car this evening :)

Post 471255 by The Flying Moose on 2012-03-06 22:22:10

[quote=AndysR;471242]Which I promise will receive a proper valet at some point ;) Must confess since I typed what I typed the other day, it was a bad day, I am sitting here really really looking forward to hoping back in the car again on Saturday especially after having a chat with Russ about the car this evening :)[/quote] Excellent, she certainly needs it! Now back to the fighting talk...

Post 471274 by Kingsford G on 2012-03-06 22:38:14

[quote=The Flying Moose;471234]Its these simple things in life that put a smile on our faces that get us through the week. You could say owning an 850R is one of life's guilty pleasures, yes it probably destroys a rain forest each year with its emissions and they alone probably account for many of the "petrol shortages", however I sit smug each evening knowing that outside on the drive is something special and its only then you realize these small things we take for granted just how lucky we are.[/quote] Well in terms of emission my vw does more `cos driven alot more.Been off work for 5weeks now and went down to my workshop did a few miles in my s70 -NICE drive ,got back gave it a good wash and polish couldn`t wax it `cos the back went bad.Would I do this to my b6 passat which does twice the mpg,nope only polished her near 2years ago lol All I am trying to say is there is something about these cars that makes u love them and I do love mine `cos wiv my current money situation any other car would b sold and gone.

Post 471308 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-06 23:14:05

At the end of the day... you only live once Do you really want to sit in a puddle of your own urine in the OAP home thinking 'I was very sensible!' ?

Post 471315 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-06 23:15:44

[quote=t5frankie;471217]???? why are you selling it then liam for a german oil burner?[/quote] I'm not. I said i'd got a diesel for a joke, to see who'd fall for it and was expecting someone like you, james or duane to say thats b*ll*cks. But no one did, so i'v just been going along with it. A diesel? Me? Come on! What do i say, "bhp not mpg":firedevil

Post 471358 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 00:16:42

Post 471375 by Santa on 2012-03-07 06:56:20

[quote=The Flying Moose;471234]You could say owning an 850R is one of life's guilty pleasures, yes it probably destroys a rain forest each year with its emissions[/quote] Doesn't providing CO2 and a greenhouse to house the planet in actually benefit the rain forest? (The issues of running cars relating to the rain forest has more to do with the EU ruling that a certain portion of fuel has to be bio, because growing crops for oil production is more profitable than having a rain forest in a short term profiteering sense). [quote=t5_monkey;471308]At the end of the day... you only live once Do you really want to sit in a puddle of your own urine in the OAP home thinking 'I was very sensible!' ?[/quote] I hope to be so out of my mind by then I don't realise.

Post 471378 by Chad on 2012-03-07 07:13:30

[quote=Santa;471122] Oi Chad.........you eeerrrrmmm rather large bloke with a black and very manly beard. I think I'd be bored of owning a Nissan GTR in my current state of mind......then again maybe getting the car to my final planned stage might help....dunnoooooo Mapped P3 S60 D5 with 245bhp ish probably isn't a bad luke warm alternative....at least the handling is there. Thanks everyone anyway..............I'm still undecided..........maybe its a form of depression.[/quote] no depression, just confusion really..lol. Maybe some more track days will help. And me actually taking the time off from work will help.......which has proven difficult in the match given my industry.!!! and i know you will never get bored of a GTR....or mapped P3 D5......

Post 471386 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 07:51:26

I think we all need to take a hold of our senses and spend a Volvo love day cleaning and driving our beloved cars!

Post 471389 by Pinup_gal on 2012-03-07 08:05:00

nooo monkey you mean

Post 471391 by claymore on 2012-03-07 08:16:37

Avast Antivirus picks Monkeys post up as a virus....lol

Post 471392 by Justin on 2012-03-07 08:24:21

Oh my dear lord, only just read all of this! Firstly, where are the mods? I am sure there are lots of forum rule breaches in here: "Bored of performance car ownership" "Looking at a diesel" Santa ban yourself!!!!!!! Emlyn, please shout at him......! Right, whether Santa drives a Volvo or a megane, I'm sure his goals for the site will be the same. I have as wobbly said been flying round in an RS4 for the last 5 years, still kept the wife in a Volvo though, she has an S60 D5 and my younger bro has an S40 1.8 sport. Performance costs, but the thing is i got fed up with fixing old tat and cars that couldnt take the power when tuned, hence went for the RS4, 420 out the box, its cost me nothing since i've had it! So stop being an old man Santa, your outlook was young a few weeks ago, now your about ready for the pit! Speed, power, noise and acceleration, you can all stuff your 45mpg diesels :) Just my opinion lol......

Post 471414 by the young mechanic on 2012-03-07 10:48:45

Post 471416 by cherry1809 on 2012-03-07 11:07:07

I've been through this stage... Few months in diseasal will sort you out and make you repent your sins :)

Post 471417 by Chad on 2012-03-07 11:13:36

Post 471419 by Justin on 2012-03-07 11:55:16

Well someone needed to say it, what is this world coming too? Diesel indeed.......silly boy :)

Post 471420 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 12:30:49

I think like they used to put witches in the stocks in the good old days, the same should apply to those considering going to the dark side...

Post 471423 by Chad on 2012-03-07 13:01:24

Still nothing wrong with a 'newish' mapped volvo, bmw, merc, audi diesel. The torque will always put a smile on your face and keep up with some modded cars to a certain extent even on a track. not saying i would get rid of my R, but i still wouldnt mind a diesel and map it just for everyday driving etc. Sometimes my local driving gets me to do 1000 miles a week. And in the R thats alot of money in V-Power........

Post 471443 by Justin on 2012-03-07 13:56:44

True, but Santa? Diesel? I can't see it!

Post 471445 by Chad on 2012-03-07 14:03:17

lol< Dont worry about Santa...... i will look after him. He might get a diesel, but im pretty sure he will keep the R and maybe fettle it some more.

Post 471453 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 15:13:11

[quote=t5_monkey;471420]I think like they used to put witches in the stocks in the good old days, the same should apply to those considering going to the dark side...[/quote] Although I have one of each - so does that just mean I am a bit perverted?

Post 471471 by Justin on 2012-03-07 15:44:23

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471453]Although I have one of each - so does that just mean I am a bit perverted?[/quote] Yeah, but we already knew that ;)

Post 471475 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 15:51:22

The S40 chassis based on the focus is a much better chassis than my own :cry: IMHO - so I do confess that caught myself looking at the Focus RS Mk2. Maybe I am a bit too snobby but I can't see myself in one. 2 main reasons - I am too old to have a car with fins and the interior is a bit cheap & nasty. Nah - can't do it. If I was to desert volvo altogether - I think I would go towards mercedes AMG - maybe even the SLK 55? I would not be the first C70 owner to do that either.

Post 471478 by T5frankie on 2012-03-07 15:54:08

Post 471481 by fassi1 on 2012-03-07 16:11:07

I reckon that the answer to that problem is LPG. U can have a performance and save urself 40% on the fuel. U can even do a track day running on LPG, and u can use ur car every day.

Post 471497 by cherry1809 on 2012-03-07 17:51:35

[quote=t5frankie;471478]i'd have a focus rs although that probably isn't a surprise lol, and i will be getting an e55 sooner or later[/quote] My mate who just joined here (dave850) had an AMG E55. Not sure what chassis it was without looking but it was the one with rust issues. Very, Very nice cars. :)

Post 471500 by T5frankie on 2012-03-07 18:07:35

[quote=cherry1809;471497]My mate who just joined here (dave850) had an AMG E55. Not sure what chassis it was without looking but it was the one with rust issues. Very, Very nice cars. :)[/quote] w210 probably the same one as i'll get and can afford, 354 bhp 5.4 oh yeah

Post 471522 by 96T5Andy on 2012-03-07 18:53:36

Having sold my 850 T5 back in november, replacing it with a diesel rover 45 I can hand on heart say I miss all aspects of the volvo. bar fuel consumption. and worrying about it every time I parked it anywhere - and the hours spent in traffic jams crawling along at walking pace but using a load of fuel doing it. and being stuck on crap roads behind a huge queue of traffic. having said that driving the rover is certainly more challenging. overtaking has to be a meticulously planned endevour. Not having the power when you need it is not good. you would miss it when its gone. I certainly do. enough to get another t5? maybe if the price of fuel starts coming down... seriously though.. heed what Justin said! sort it out mods! this is VPCUK!

Post 471575 by Santa on 2012-03-07 20:07:44

[quote=Justin;471392]Oh my dear lord, only just read all of this! Firstly, where are the mods? I am sure there are lots of forum rule breaches in here: "Bored of performance car ownership" "Looking at a diesel" Santa ban yourself!!!!!!! Emlyn, please shout at him......! Right, whether Santa drives a Volvo or a megane, I'm sure his goals for the site will be the same. I have as wobbly said been flying round in an RS4 for the last 5 years, still kept the wife in a Volvo though, she has an S60 D5 and my younger bro has an S40 1.8 sport. Performance costs, but the thing is i got fed up with fixing old tat and cars that couldnt take the power when tuned, hence went for the RS4, 420 out the box, its cost me nothing since i've had it! So stop being an old man Santa, your outlook was young a few weeks ago, now your about ready for the pit! Speed, power, noise and acceleration, you can all stuff your 45mpg diesels :) Just my opinion lol......[/quote] When was my outlook young a few weeks ago? :-p Somebody does need to ban me though you're right lol [quote=Justin;471443]True, but Santa? Diesel? I can't see it![/quote] I've owned a diesel for a few years now lol [quote=Chad;471445]lol< Dont worry about Santa...... i will look after him. He might get a diesel, but im pretty sure he will keep the R and maybe fettle it some more.[/quote] He ain't heavy...........he's my bharā......... [quote=96T5Andy;471522]Having sold my 850 T5 back in november, replacing it with a diesel rover 45 I can hand on heart say I miss all aspects of the volvo. bar fuel consumption. and worrying about it every time I parked it anywhere - and the hours spent in traffic jams crawling along at walking pace but using a load of fuel doing it. and being stuck on crap roads behind a huge queue of traffic. having said that driving the rover is certainly more challenging. overtaking has to be a meticulously planned endevour. Not having the power when you need it is not good. you would miss it when its gone. I certainly do. enough to get another t5? maybe if the price of fuel starts coming down... seriously though.. heed what Justin said! sort it out mods! this is VPCUK![/quote] I quite enjoyed my Rover ownership..............................am I really really banned now?

Post 471605 by silverswedemachine on 2012-03-07 20:56:06

Just read found this thread, I know what santa is on about, the performance is nice but every thing is a ball ache, + the cost of everyting now... I have crossed over to the darker, smokier, and slower side... Pug 1.9 TD, its a beast!!! Just wait till i get a bosch pump...

Post 471608 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 21:02:04

[quote=Santa;471575] I quite enjoyed my Rover ownership..............................am I really really banned now?[/quote] I know a good counselor...!

Post 471610 by Dangerous Dave on 2012-03-07 21:03:39

[quote=Santa;471575]I quite enjoyed my Rover ownership..............................am I really really banned now?[/quote] Yes, I'm hovering over the report button for that outburst :(

Post 471611 by Dangerous Dave on 2012-03-07 21:04:42

[quote=t5_monkey;471608]I know a good counselor...![/quote] Too late for that, he's beyond repair (just like a K series :) )

Post 471613 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 21:06:04

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471475]The S40 chassis based on the focus is a much better chassis than my own :cry: IMHO - so I do confess that caught myself looking at the Focus RS Mk2. Maybe I am a bit too snobby but I can't see myself in one. 2 main reasons - I am too old to have a car with fins and the interior is a bit cheap & nasty. Nah - can't do it. If I was to desert volvo altogether - I think I would go towards mercedes AMG - maybe even the SLK 55? I would not be the first C70 owner to do that either.[/quote] Some people have been negative about my S40 T5 (saying it's not a real T5 etc..) not so much on this forum but others - I think it's more a matter of a little less power, and a little more chassis finesse. For me... handling is a large part of a car, more so since I got the suspension mods done (dampers, ARB, full polybush) Driving a properly sorted chassis is a joy to behold - you don't need mega power to have a blast driving. Even at city speeds, driving sensibly the 'tight precision damped' feel of the thing and the way it breathes and feels alive on windy roads plus feels totally flat and flexes through the tyre walls through corners is very satisfying. A 'performance' car is one that makes you feel great when you drive ALL the time :) not just when you 'beat' someone else (that's just a bonus!) A car should feel alive, and Character is not the same as raw BHP and all the associated running costs.

Post 471616 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-07 21:11:17

[quote=Justin;471392]So stop being an old man Santa, your outlook was young a few weeks ago, now your about ready for the pit! Speed, power, noise and acceleration, you can all stuff your 45mpg diesels :) Just my opinion lol......[/quote] :bow_kneel Well said. lol

Post 471627 by T5frankie on 2012-03-07 21:29:49

[quote=t5_monkey;471613]Some people have been negative about my S40 T5 (saying it's not a real T5 etc..) not so much on this forum but others - I think it's more a matter of a little less power, and a little more chassis finesse. For me... handling is a large part of a car, more so since I got the suspension mods done (dampers, ARB, full polybush) Driving a properly sorted chassis is a joy to behold - you don't need mega power to have a blast driving. Even at city speeds, driving sensibly the 'tight precision damped' feel of the thing and the way it breathes and feels alive on windy roads plus feels totally flat and flexes through the tyre walls through corners is very satisfying. A 'performance' car is one that makes you feel great when you drive ALL the time :) not just when you 'beat' someone else (that's just a bonus!) A car should feel alive, and Character is not the same as raw BHP and all the associated running costs.[/quote] your ford is a real t5 monkey dont let them upset you lol

Post 471679 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 22:26:12

[quote=t5_monkey;471613]Some people have been negative about my S40 T5 (saying it's not a real T5 etc..) not so much on this forum but others - I think it's more a matter of a little less power, and a little more chassis finesse. For me... handling is a large part of a car, more so since I got the suspension mods done (dampers, ARB, full polybush) Driving a properly sorted chassis is a joy to behold - you don't need mega power to have a blast driving. Even at city speeds, driving sensibly the 'tight precision damped' feel of the thing and the way it breathes and feels alive on windy roads plus feels totally flat and flexes through the tyre walls through corners is very satisfying. A 'performance' car is one that makes you feel great when you drive ALL the time :) not just when you 'beat' someone else (that's just a bonus!) A car should feel alive, and Character is not the same as raw BHP and all the associated running costs.[/quote] Still be tempted to do the performance replacements found in an RS on your's though - then have the chassis & the performance & still look understated.

Post 471682 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 22:28:48

It's really just the revo knuckle and LSD that separates ST/T5 from RS chassis wise.

Post 471715 by Dangerous Dave on 2012-03-07 23:08:57

[quote=t5_monkey;471682]It's really just the revo knuckle and LSD that separates ST/T5 from RS chassis wise.[/quote] Not heard of the revo knuckle, just googled it. Good idea, but it just looks like too much could go wrong (especially as its a Ford cheapo thing) and be costly to replace

Post 471719 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 23:19:05

This has lots of pictures... http://www.c30world.com/forums/showthread.php?p=72090

Post 471723 by t5_monkey on 2012-03-07 23:30:44

[quote=bomb192uk;471715]Not heard of the revo knuckle, just googled it. Good idea, but it just looks like too much could go wrong (especially as its a Ford cheapo thing) and be costly to replace[/quote] doesn't look all that compared to a regular hub - just different. I'd be getting a quaife long before i bothered with the Revo.

Post 471728 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-07 23:47:31

I wonder if you had to rearrange less than 6 of them on a shelf in a ford parts department it could be referred to a 5 revo-knuckle shuffle :hidesbehi:

Post 471729 by M-R-P on 2012-03-07 23:50:14

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471728]I wonder if you had to rearrange less than 6 of them on a shelf in a ford parts department it could be referred to a 5 revo-knuckle shuffle :hidesbehi:[/quote] Funny lad! pmsl :)

Post 471731 by Justin on 2012-03-07 23:59:27

[quote=Santa;471575]When was my outlook young a few weeks ago? :-p Somebody does need to ban me though you're right lol I've owned a diesel for a few years now lol He ain't heavy...........he's my bharā......... I quite enjoyed my Rover ownership..............................am I really really banned now?[/quote] Yes you own a diesel yet you COMMUTE in the S60R, nuff said :) As ex commander of VPC i say your banned........ K series, diesel and enjoyed in the same post???? Just tragic lol ;)

Post 471756 by Santa on 2012-03-08 10:08:37

I really shouldn't eat whilst reading this thread LMAO I only commute in the S60R when ye olde diesel needs repairing. (Like a light is out or it needs fuel).

Post 471769 by p fandango on 2012-03-08 11:49:26

[quote=Santa;471756]I only commute in the S60R when ye olde diesel needs repairing. (Like a light is out or it needs fuel).[/quote] sounds like you've got a really reliable fleet lol. What do you do when there both knackered? lol

Post 471774 by Chad on 2012-03-08 12:04:09

[quote=p fandango;471769]sounds like you've got a really reliable fleet lol. What do you do when there both knackered? lol[/quote] Rings Benny or the Ghostbusters!!! :hilarious

Post 471775 by Santa on 2012-03-08 12:18:50

[quote=p fandango;471769]sounds like you've got a really reliable fleet lol. What do you do when there both knackered? lol[/quote] Rover 25 lol (Though ye olde Diesel was broken and the Volvo was low on petrol). Yeah then go and cry to Benny.

Post 471823 by p fandango on 2012-03-08 15:21:58

[quote=Santa;471775]Rover 25 lol (Though ye olde Diesel was broken and the Volvo was low on petrol)[/quote] well you can't get more of an incentive to keep the others going than that lol

Post 471825 by Santa on 2012-03-08 15:29:53

[quote=p fandango;471823]well you can't get more of an incentive to keep the others going than that lol[/quote] But I'm buying a new fleet of cars which will lessen the incentive and the main reason for this thread.

Post 471841 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-08 17:18:41

I think if you swore/bleed & sweated over the S60 a bit more then perhaps you'd feel more engaged with it?

Post 471853 by Santa on 2012-03-08 17:39:13

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471841]I think if you swore/bleed & sweated over the S60 a bit more then perhaps you'd feel more engaged with it?[/quote] I swear at it all the time lol As for everything else on it, other than changing the tyres and checking the coolant everything else is a pain on it and it works out more effective in time and cost for Benny to deal with it. Weirdly though Natalie said a similar thing....its about the only car I don't do anything myself on.

Post 471855 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-08 17:43:17

That has nowt to do with it. Bleeding on it is part of the process.

Post 471860 by Santa on 2012-03-08 17:49:24

[quote=Wobbly Dave;471855]That has nowt to do with it. Bleeding on it is part of the process.[/quote] Let the blood letting begin lol

Post 471864 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-08 17:52:52

I have visions of some Pagan festival incorporating flaming torches, tribal drums and an open Volvo bonnet LOL. Wonder if you can get sacrificial virgins from the Volvo parts department?

Post 471875 by Justin on 2012-03-08 18:35:05

You havent been to a parts dept in a while obviously wobbly, they are far from virginal or female.

Post 471878 by stribo on 2012-03-08 18:38:55

Bored of performance cars, really???? As someone who's had some right sheds in the past including an original Fiat Panda, an Allegro 1.1, and a Proton, I could never get bored with having a performance car. Granted sometimes they can be a right royal P.I.T.A., but on the right road, with the right tunes playing, there's nowhere else I'd rather be than driving either my Cougar, or our Volvo. Both cars average low to mid 20's mpg, but we knew that when we bought them, and I don't think we could ever go back to driving boring run of the mill, eminently sensible euroboxes. My advice to Santa, and others would be to by a cheap runabout, say, a mid 90's 1.2 Clio, or Punto, and drive it for a few weeks, you'll soon see the error of your thoughts, and be thankful for your performance car. As they say, without the bad times, you don't appreciate the good times.