Fitting a boost-o-meter to a P2...
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Post 481755 by M-R-P on 2012-04-04 22:10:17
Well, after buying Rotches boost gauge, I thought I'd do a little how-to for those with a P2. It's sort-of complicated but relatively quick.
First I got about 10ft of 2mm push-fit tubing (the swoosh gauge uses a 2mm pipe with an expensive looking tee) Ditched the original tube as it wasn't long enough to reach the inlet manifold.
Open the fusebox on the side of the dash and pull the sponge thing from the bulkhead. Now, with the door open, where there's a rubber sleeve between the door and the car, 4" above, in the car-side, there's a 1" rubber gromet. Remove it and ram a hole in it with a screwdriver and hang on to it. Now poke the tube in the hole in the dash and with a bit of wiggling, it will come out the hole where the gromet was. Now put the tube through the gromet and feed the pipe up, through the gap between the inner and outer wing.
From under the bonnet, where the bonnet mechanism connects to the wing, pull the pipe through, making sure the pipe doesn't get fouled by the mechanism.
Run the pipe down the front of the car...
And plumb the tee into the vac line from the inlet manifold to the recirc, adding the 2mm tube to it. Restrain the tube, away from heat sources, with cable ties.
Then go back to the fuse board and pull fuse No. 13 (12v front outlet), poke the live/light wires in the slot where the fuse goes and reinsert the fuse (this is a temporary measure, just to get it working - gonna find a proper source eventually ;)) then bolt the neutral wire to the dash with the 10mm dash bolt in the fuse board area.
Then mount the pod (however and wherever you mount it, tuck the pipe and wire into the gap between the A pillar trim and the dash top - the dash top is spongey there and accomodates the pipe and wire nicely.
So, how does it look? See for yourself...
Thanks again BigRotch, Blacky lives on in many good cars ;)
Post 481911 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 12:34:01
OOPS! wrong section... Mods, can you move it to the how-to section pleeease :D
Post 481919 by MattM on 2012-04-05 12:40:18
Looks good!
When I get round to doing mine, I'd like to do it like this - http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?129950-IPD-R-Boost-Gauge-with-CF-Werks-Door-Pod-Writeup
Post 481924 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 12:47:59
It looks nice but personally, I wouldn't want to take my eyes too far from the road to read it and mounting it there would put it right in your face, especially if you're of the vertically challenged variety (which I'm not) and sit close to the steering wheel. I may end - up putting it in the vent, when I get a spare vent to replace it with.
Post 481944 by Pinup_gal on 2012-04-05 13:13:40
Moved for you :)
Post 481945 by bigrotch on 2012-04-05 13:15:55
looks good dude now u got to convince the wife when boosting its got to hit 19psi every gear lol
Post 481956 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 13:33:10
Gotta have a tinker with it - she hit 10psi between 3k and 4.5k, which is bang-on stock pressure for these things - not bad after 187k miles :)
I think the actuator may get some attention this weekend...:D
Gotta change vac hoses too, and the oil, and the filter D'oh.
Post 481991 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-04-05 14:34:28
Don't wind it on more than 1 turn.
Post 481997 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 14:45:50
[quote=Wobbly Dave;481991]Don't wind it on more than 1 turn.[/quote]
Gonna change the vac hoses before I go tweaking anything. I'm well aware of the dangers and I'm aware that the car is capable of protecting itself, providing I don't do anything stupid :D
I'll go a turn back first and see if the ecu (which I'll be resetting first) compensates by delaying the bcs then start bringing it up gradually until I see something I like on the boost-0-meter.
Post 482002 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-04-05 14:50:19
So when are you going to remap it?
Post 482028 by stribo on 2012-04-05 15:54:36
[quote=MattM;481919]Looks good!
When I get round to doing mine, I'd like to do it like this - http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?129950-IPD-R-Boost-Gauge-with-CF-Werks-Door-Pod-Writeup[/quote]
Now that looks nice, will have to try and find the parts to do it.
Post 482029 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 15:55:19
[quote=Wobbly Dave;482002]So when are you going to remap it?[/quote]
When I can find 300 quid plus the 130 quid to get to bromsgrove and back lol. My remap fund went back to nil a while back and so far, hasn't moved :( Times is 'ard lol.
Post 482087 by MattM on 2012-04-05 18:19:25
[quote=stribo;482028]Now that looks nice, will have to try and find the parts to do it.[/quote]
http://carbonfiberwerks.stimuluscreations.com/s60.htm
Post 482111 by T4Rick on 2012-04-05 19:05:41
When you said boost o meter i thought you meant some thing else rofl
Post 482118 by d2k on 2012-04-05 19:19:05
thankyou sir.......:)
this thread has the exact info i need, ive been planning my boost gauge install for too long mostly b/c i dont really know what im doing, this takes alot of the guesswork out.
here's what i plan..
using the same method you did just different mounting...
thanks again, think i'll try it the wk end (my mechanic quoted me £80 to install so might save a few quid)
Post 482122 by 960kg on 2012-04-05 19:27:00
This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!
Post 482126 by T4Rick on 2012-04-05 19:38:27
[quote=960kg;482122]This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!
[/quote]
Now that i do like
Post 482142 by M-R-P on 2012-04-05 20:30:32
[quote=d2k;482118]thankyou sir.......:)
this thread has the exact info i need, ive been planning my boost gauge install for too long mostly b/c i dont really know what im doing, this takes alot of the guesswork out.
here's what i plan..
using the same method you did just different mounting...
thanks again, think i'll try it the wk end (my mechanic quoted me £80 to install so might save a few quid)[/quote]
I've had my center console out a few times so if you need any advice or info, feel free to ask. I could have got you the same type of pipe as I used, its nice and stiff, makes it easier to thread through. The pipe that comes with the gauge may be too short too, you will need nearly 3M to get where you're thinking of putting it. Good luck with that mate, keep us posted ;)
Post 482391 by MattM on 2012-04-06 13:35:40
[quote=960kg;482122]This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!
[/quote]
Where did you get the pod?
Post 485074 by LeeT5 on 2012-04-11 20:53:34
[quote=martinrpeachey;482142]I've had my center console out a few times so if you need any advice or info, feel free to ask. I could have got you the same type of pipe as I used, its nice and stiff, makes it easier to thread through. The pipe that comes with the gauge may be too short too, you will need nearly 3M to get where you're thinking of putting it. Good luck with that mate, keep us posted ;)[/quote]
Mate that looks nasty!
Post 535350 by stribo on 2012-09-06 17:29:59
Whereabouts on the inlet manifold do you connect the pipe? Can you not tee into the pipe that goes from the turbo to the TCS?
Post 535357 by M-R-P on 2012-09-06 18:28:06
No mate, you need the one that goes from the inlet manifold to the recirc valve.
Looks like a tidy job there Mitch. The cigerette lighter is a good one to splice into for the power supply. Save the risk of annoying the radio.
Post 535359 by JUDGENINJA on 2012-09-06 18:54:25
That's a very odd route for the piping... Is there no rubber grommet behind the glovebox or behind the fuse box?
It might be an 850/P1 thing..
Post 535360 by M-R-P on 2012-09-06 18:57:03
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA;535359]That's a very odd route for the piping... Is there no rubber grommet behind the glovebox or behind the fuse box?
It might be an 850/P1 thing..[/QUOTE]
There's a few but they're an absolute pig to get at from inside.
Post 535607 by d2k on 2012-09-08 09:48:01
morning all........
need some urgent help with my wiring..... my car is currently in bits, lol
im gonna tap into the lighter as suggested but there's no chassis bolts anywhere in the center console for a ground..
the 2 cables coming off the lighter (purple / black), im guessing purple is live & black is ground / negative...???
can i not just run the gauge pos & neg straight into both of the lighter connections...???
thanks...
Post 535609 by M-R-P on 2012-09-08 10:02:23
yes mate, you can ;)
Post 535612 by d2k on 2012-09-08 10:07:17
sweeeeeeet....... :smile:
time to cut...
Post 535613 by M-R-P on 2012-09-08 10:19:49
Go, Go, Buffalo!
Post 535619 by d2k on 2012-09-08 11:20:37
IT WORKS!!!!! :smile:
now i just need a crash course in what it 'should' be doing..
when i start the car it reads 20-22psi vacuum..
when i pull off 2krpm it moves to 15psi vacuum..
when i boot it, it reaches 12-13psi boost (which is pretty good i thought):smile:
though it never sits at 0psi..???
when cruising at 60mph 5th 2.5krpm ... the gauge is reading 10psi in vacuum..???, only when the revs go past 4k does it pass the 0 & move into boost..???
is this right..???
Post 535625 by stribo on 2012-09-08 13:03:02
Doesn't sound right mate, boost should start before 2000 rpm, though you will get vacuum at idle.I'd check the pipework doesn't have any leaks.;)
Post 535629 by d2k on 2012-09-08 13:21:59
thanks stribo.......
looking closer at the gauge im only actually getting 11psi i think, im gonna wait till it gets dark & throw up a vid....:smile:
Post 535630 by Jamest5r on 2012-09-08 14:08:14
Sounds about right to me, vacuum on idle is spot on and yes it will be in vacuum when crusing I'm guessing yours is not mapped as the boost comes in late but all looks good.
Post 535636 by cherry1809 on 2012-09-08 16:07:08
No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.
Post 535638 by d2k on 2012-09-08 16:14:11
[QUOTE=cherry1809;535636]No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.[/QUOTE]
lol.... well we know the gauge is poo :redface:, so i should be seeing 0psi while cruising with no boost...??
from what ive read, a decent vacuum shows a healthy engine..??
Post 535640 by Jamest5r on 2012-09-08 16:46:41
[QUOTE=cherry1809;535636]No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.[/QUOTE]
Mine only goes to "0" if i squeeze the load pedal a bit to create positive vacuum, normal driving it stays negative and thats with a AEM digital gauge and it definatly not poo lol :)
Post 535679 by M-R-P on 2012-09-08 18:41:35
right, hold on... I'lk go get a vid of mine which has been calibrated...
Post 535687 by M-R-P on 2012-09-08 19:15:25
[video=youtube;Q9HyhxNz4_I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HyhxNz4_I[/video]
The rettling noise is the camera bouncing off the A-piller - aoplogies :D
Post 535696 by d2k on 2012-09-08 19:42:14
[QUOTE=M-R-P;535687][video=youtube;Q9HyhxNz4_I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HyhxNz4_I[/video]
The rettling noise is the camera bouncing off the A-piller - aoplogies :D[/QUOTE]
well..... my gauge is working EXACTLY how it should be going by this video (cheers martin)....:smile:
as my vid will now show, its pretty similar to martins.... gauge stays well in the vacuum most of the time.
View My Video
please excuse my talking, please mute it if im annoying..lol ... my daughter had to change gear while i held the phone so its a little shakey..
Post 535703 by M-R-P on 2012-09-08 20:06:30
Looks very snazzy lol!
The reaction times are a bit slow for an LED unit - may be cured by a shorter vac hose, mounted closer to the engine.
Post 535717 by cherry1809 on 2012-09-08 20:32:56
Maybe your both not as heavy footed as me then, lol.
Post 535718 by d2k on 2012-09-08 20:33:13
yeah... i think its due to the diameter of the vac hose being a little too large (& too long), i had to buy one long enough & the only place at the precise moment that had it was B&Q... & it was for a pond..lol
still it does what i need it to & if the results i get stay consistent i can certainly use it to monitor boost changes from the coming ECU map & actuator arm adjustments.... so im a happy bunny!! :smile:
Post 737283 by Ettienne on 2014-09-26 14:05:25
Pretty much the same way did mine, I've left the loom tied up awaiting a suitable electrical source.
I made a small hole in the top of the dash for the boost pipe as it's silicon and squashed flat trying to run it up the side, but it's nice and neat.
Where did you find electrical source from?
Post 737288 by stribo on 2014-09-26 14:17:19
I wouldn't have done it like that. :D
Post 737297 by M-R-P on 2014-09-26 14:46:31
[QUOTE=Ettienne;737283]
Where did you find electrical source from?[/QUOTE]
Well, you see the pic of where I bodged it into the fuse board...
It still looks like that :)
Post 737302 by Ettienne on 2014-09-26 15:36:44
I was gonna do similar
Post 737304 by volvokid on 2014-09-26 15:46:28
Why don't you go into the fag lighter?
Post 737305 by M-R-P on 2014-09-26 15:52:18
[QUOTE=volvokid;737304]Why don't you go into the fag lighter?[/QUOTE]
That's the fuse for the fag lighter.
Post 737306 by volvokid on 2014-09-26 15:55:20
Ah I didn't look at the photo. I just ran it and spliced it into the back of it.
Post 737310 by M-R-P on 2014-09-26 16:11:47
[QUOTE=volvokid;737306]Ah I didn't look at the photo. I just ran it and spliced it into the back of it.[/QUOTE]
too much agro :)
Post 737313 by claymore on 2014-09-26 16:21:22
I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.
Post 737315 by Ettienne on 2014-09-26 17:11:26
[QUOTE=claymore;737313]I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.[/QUOTE]
Forum bullying is happening, I shall report you lol.
You know how he hates ex plod critism.
Poor old Martin will be sitting in the corner rocking, under a blanket in the dark.
Right I'm off to bleed my brakes!
Post 737324 by volvokid on 2014-09-26 17:31:21
Haha I can only imagen the comments if James had done such a bodge :p
Post 737326 by M-R-P on 2014-09-26 17:31:49
[QUOTE=claymore;737313]I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.[/QUOTE]
You'll notice I mentioned that I'd tidy it up later....
Ok, so I didn't but the intention was there :D
Post 737367 by JamesT5 on 2014-09-26 20:13:41
[QUOTE=volvokid;737324]Haha I can only imagen the comments if James had done such a bodge :p[/QUOTE]
Oh, you can bet there'd be 50 pages of harsh comments in bold writing and in lots of pretty colours, plus numerous 'edits' by the forum management.
But it's ok, someone else has gone down the 'non-standard' route, so that's ok because they know what they're doing.........
just wiring left now.... all cables have been positioned behind the radio, just need to find out which wires on the radio cluster i need..???
but SUPER happy i finally committed myself to it, the job was seriously daunting for some reason...lol :)
Thanks Martin......