6 speed gear upgrade

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Post 585423 by oblark on 2013-03-17 17:38:29

I brought a Ford focus ST225 from ebay during the week and stirbo collected and delivered to the southern dyno day. Once getting back from changing Steve`s turbo on his 850R I bolted the box to my spare block. All the bolt holes lined up and the standard 850 driveshafts fitted aswell just need to remake the linkage as it`s not the same as the 850 one. Image Image Image

Post 585425 by T5frankie on 2013-03-17 17:41:23

this has been done before

Post 585426 by JT on 2013-03-17 17:41:51

nice work :) is the extra gear high or low?

Post 585427 by oblark on 2013-03-17 17:42:32

[QUOTE=T5frankie;585425]this has been done before[/QUOTE] And ..............

Post 585430 by oblark on 2013-03-17 17:44:21

[QUOTE=JT;585426]nice work :) is the extra gear high or low?[/QUOTE] 6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1

Post 585431 by M-R-P on 2013-03-17 17:44:32

Sweet mate, does it have volvo stamped on the housing?

Post 585432 by oblark on 2013-03-17 17:45:11

[QUOTE=M-R-P;585431]Sweet mate, does it have volvo stamped on the housing?[/QUOTE] Of course :)

Post 585434 by theflyingbrick on 2013-03-17 17:46:45

this could be a very good upgrade especially when it comes to motorway driving,i reckon its gonna save a few quid on petrol with an extra gear,how long before your driving it?? be good to know the results ;)

Post 585437 by JT on 2013-03-17 17:52:02

[QUOTE=oblark;585430]6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1[/QUOTE] dam n blast! lol I need a low range box then......:(

Post 585438 by p fandango on 2013-03-17 17:53:13

[QUOTE=oblark;585430]6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1[/QUOTE] M56H is 0.70:1, the Volvo M66 also has a 0.70:1. Whats the FDR on the Crocus box?

Post 585439 by p fandango on 2013-03-17 17:56:13

& according to HERE the Crocus is also 0.70:1 with a 4.0 FDR, exactly the same as 5th on the T-5

Post 585440 by stribo on 2013-03-17 17:57:04

Glad it's fitted up O.K. mate.

Post 585441 by oblark on 2013-03-17 18:01:35

[QUOTE=p fandango;585439]& according to HERE the Crocus is also 0.70:1 with a 4.0 FDR, exactly the same as 5th on the T-5[/QUOTE] http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/47711-confirmation-of-gear-ratios/

Post 585445 by p fandango on 2013-03-17 18:08:39

[QUOTE=oblark;585441]http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/47711-confirmation-of-gear-ratios/[/QUOTE] 2009, seems longer ago than that lol. My mistake about the 4.00 FDR, i was looking at the M66W (which does have the 0.65:1 on 6th)

Post 585461 by nottsgreent5 on 2013-03-17 19:04:28

Dont quote me on this but think someone told me a while ago later v70/s60 fitted with the six spees boxes linkage will fit the 850 shift assembly

Post 585462 by oblark on 2013-03-17 19:09:24

[QUOTE=nottsgreent5;585461]Dont quote me on this but think someone told me a while ago later v70/s60 fitted with the six spees boxes linkage will fit the 850 shift assembly[/QUOTE] Thanks for that, I`ll look into it :)

Post 585469 by Nealevo on 2013-03-17 19:28:04

I'm pretty gutted now, I had a complete ST which had been vandal damaged, I wanted the 18s and seats, looked into the gearbox fitting and was told it wouldn't fit, scrapped the whole car :(

Post 585504 by oblark on 2013-03-17 22:00:08

Found this on a ford forum about m66 gear ratio`s Post No. 4 http://www.volvocarclubsa.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=3300&p=54726

Post 585506 by Kingsford G on 2013-03-17 22:14:35

Interestng upgrade,keep us posting mate.

Post 585507 by merc85 on 2013-03-17 22:16:41

Awesome mate, good luck with the build, looking smart

Post 585509 by p fandango on 2013-03-17 22:23:43

[QUOTE=oblark;585504]Found this on a ford forum about m66 gear ratio`s Post No. 4 http://www.volvocarclubsa.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=3300&p=54726[/QUOTE] i'm not convinced he's got his numbers right, the Volvo ratios he's quoting are for the M66W yet with the FDR of the M66. He also says the F*rd box has 4.00 FDR

Post 585510 by p fandango on 2013-03-17 22:29:01

M66 (S60R AWD) FDR = 3.77:1 1st = 3.38:1 2nd = 2.05:1 3rd = 1.43:1 4th = 1.08:1 5th = 0.86:1 6th = 0.70:1 top speed = 182mph M66W (T-5) FDR = 4.00:1 1st = 3.39:1 2nd = 1.91:1 3rd = 1.27:1 4th = 0.95:1 5th = 0.78:1 6th = 0.65:1 top speed = 185mph M66D (D-5) FDR = 4.00:1 1st = 3.39:1 2nd = 1.91:1 3rd = 1.19:1 4th = 0.84:1 5th = 0.65:1 6th = 0.54:1 top speed = 223mph

Post 585515 by Harvey on 2013-03-17 23:03:54

Found this in my book Image[/IMG]

Post 585534 by GregE102 on 2013-03-18 00:32:17

I have an M66 T5 fitted and working with mine now, Tim Williams did it all for me but he did have to make a custom linkage to make it work correctly!

Post 585574 by oblark on 2013-03-18 10:50:53

[QUOTE=p fandango;585510]M66 (S60R AWD) FDR = 3.77:1 1st = 3.38:1 2nd = 2.05:1 3rd = 1.43:1 4th = 1.08:1 5th = 0.86:1 6th = 0.70:1 top speed = 182mph M66W (T-5) FDR = 4.00:1 1st = 3.39:1 2nd = 1.91:1 3rd = 1.27:1 4th = 0.95:1 5th = 0.78:1 6th = 0.65:1 top speed = 185mph M66D (D-5) FDR = 4.00:1 1st = 3.39:1 2nd = 1.91:1 3rd = 1.19:1 4th = 0.84:1 5th = 0.65:1 6th = 0.54:1 top speed = 223mph[/QUOTE] Should have got a m66d box 223mph ;)

Post 585576 by p fandango on 2013-03-18 10:58:43

[QUOTE=oblark;585574]Should have got a m66d box 223mph ;)[/QUOTE] The TDi 5cog I've got does 203mph@6500rpm

Post 585683 by Brett855tdi on 2013-03-18 20:20:37

I bet the d5 box would be good for mpg, but i also guess it would be too long for a t5. I take it the M66w and M66D are the same box just different ratios, and the d5 box would fit? what cars were the M66w fitted to?

Post 585686 by p fandango on 2013-03-18 20:27:52

[QUOTE=Brett855tdi;585683]I bet the d5 box would be good for mpg, but i also guess it would be too long for a t5. I take it the M66w and M66D are the same box just different ratios, and the d5 box would fit? what cars were the M66w fitted to?[/QUOTE] S60 t-5

Post 585844 by lance on 2013-03-19 07:59:37

I love the 6 speed box in my v50 t5 same as the focus 70 mph = 2400 rpm so better mpg, plus when you have had 6 gears going back to a 5 is like going back to a 4 your always looking for the extra gear that's not there!

Post 590931 by oblark on 2013-03-31 20:22:14

As the sun was shining I set the spare sub frame, bolted on the engine block,head and turbo then the 6 speed gearbox. Will have make a custom rear gearbox mount as they isn`t much space between the turbo,gearbox and the rubber mount :( Image Image Apart from the rear mount the gearbox fits :) Image

Post 590933 by claymore on 2013-03-31 20:26:20

What's different about the rear mount?

Post 590947 by oblark on 2013-03-31 20:40:46

The M56 will not fit on the M66 box, and the M66 mount will not fit under the turbo Image

Post 591024 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-03-31 21:32:10

How are you going to get around the reverse gate problem?

Post 591028 by oblark on 2013-03-31 21:36:10

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;591024]How are you going to get around the reverse gate problem?[/QUOTE] What reverse gate problem ?

Post 591036 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-03-31 21:48:41

To engage the reverse gear (up & far left) on the 6 speed manual you have to push the lever down before you can get it. It sits adjacent to 1st. That gate protection is on the stick/selector AFAIK. Without it I am fairly sure you can select reverse whilst moving forward (unlikely) or more likely select reverse, when setting off.

Post 591044 by oblark on 2013-03-31 21:54:43

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;591036]To engage the reverse gear (up & far left) on the 6 speed manual you have to push the lever down before you can get it. It sits adjacent to 1st. That gate protection is on the stick/selector AFAIK. Without it I am fairly sure you can select reverse whilst moving forward (unlikely) or more likely select reverse, when setting off.[/QUOTE] On the box I`ve got reverse is over by 5th and 6th 1 3 5 2 4 6 R

Post 591049 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-03-31 21:56:30

Must be different to the one on my diesel s40 then. I thought they were all R 1 3 5 _ 2 4 6 not that I was trying to throw a spanner in the works, just more of a heads up.

Post 591252 by stribo on 2013-04-01 00:25:35

The R has the same layout as Rob's, i.e. with reverse next to 6th

Post 591333 by lance on 2013-04-01 10:10:36

Yeah the 2.0d and t5 use a different pattern

Post 599144 by oblark on 2013-04-21 21:48:30

Made the most of the weather on Saturday and knocked up the rear engine/gearbox mount Image Image The next job will be to make a new downpipe :)

Post 599149 by MA'R'K on 2013-04-21 21:56:01

Interesting project.....gearbox will probably be my next build, so watching closely ;)

Post 613534 by oblark on 2013-06-04 20:37:57

Finally finished the gear linkage bracket off and fitted it tonight :) Image Here`s a short video of me going up through the gears [video=youtube;HixuAz5iZug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HixuAz5iZug[/video]

Post 613859 by GregE102 on 2013-06-05 19:50:52

You will Love it! I love my 6 speed box they are great!

Post 613868 by cherry1809 on 2013-06-05 20:17:39

Also looking at doing the same. Good write up :)

Post 613885 by Biff on 2013-06-05 20:50:14

I'd love to carry this conversion off. Nice handy work fella.

Post 624625 by oblark on 2013-07-11 20:23:01

Got bored at work today so I made these............................ some brass linkage bushes. Image

Post 624632 by graemewelch on 2013-07-11 20:46:03

nice touch. wish i could do a bit turning and milling

Post 642666 by jdavis on 2013-09-09 14:20:42

good work there!

Post 642672 by Tomcat on 2013-09-09 14:29:58

Awesome write up, looking forward to seeing it finished, then I can go find one for myself,lol.

Post 642677 by M-R-P on 2013-09-09 15:18:08

[QUOTE=oblark;624625]Got bored at work today so I made these............................ some brass linkage bushes. Image[/QUOTE] The brass bush kit for the Toyota MR2 is a direct fit if anybody's looking to replace their bushes (a good idea when fitting the short-shift kit)

Post 642679 by Tomcat on 2013-09-09 15:24:51

Where's the short shift kit available from?

Post 642681 by M-R-P on 2013-09-09 15:28:43

I think IPD do one. There may be one or two of mine floating about somewhere but I don't have any.

Post 642682 by oblark on 2013-09-09 15:34:29

[QUOTE=M-R-P;642677]The brass bush kit for the Toyota MR2 is a direct fit if anybody's looking to replace their bushes (a good idea when fitting the short-shift kit)[/QUOTE] The mr2 bush cost money and mine cost nothing :)

Post 651520 by charlie-r on 2013-10-10 20:12:47

[QUOTE=M-R-P;642681]I think IPD do one. There may be one or two of mine floating about somewhere but I don't have any.[/QUOTE] Got any pics of the ones you (used to) do? Tried hunting but can't see any if you don't mind of course :) cheers.

Post 651528 by M-R-P on 2013-10-10 20:32:33

[QUOTE=charlie-r;651520]Got any pics of the ones you (used to) do? Tried hunting but can't see any if you don't mind of course :) cheers.[/QUOTE] Maybe Stribo, Nordic or TheFlyingBrick can post a pic. V70Graham might have had a pic on his "relentless pursuit of perfection" thread.

Post 651531 by stribo on 2013-10-10 20:45:17

I haven't got a pic of mine. :(

Post 651580 by Tomcat on 2013-10-10 23:05:31

Wouldn't mind a short shift kit, fancy making some more?

Post 651584 by M-R-P on 2013-10-10 23:14:57

[QUOTE=stribo;651531]I haven't got a pic of mine. :([/QUOTE] go and take one then. lazy git :)

Post 651586 by M-R-P on 2013-10-10 23:17:23

[QUOTE=Tomcat;651580]Wouldn't mind a short shift kit, fancy making some more?[/QUOTE] I'll look for the pattern I was working on for the 2nd version of the plate. no promises tho.

Post 651587 by theflyingbrick on 2013-10-10 23:18:26

yeah short shift kit mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its tasty :redface: sorry haven't got any pics back on topic....I love the linkage pics your work is outstanding mate :)

Post 651588 by M-R-P on 2013-10-10 23:30:31

Lazy gits... Here's a pic of Graham's plate, now on Stribo's car... Image