Project V70 2.5T ME7
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Post 661799 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:45:11
I thought it was about time i started a project thread for my V70 2.5T.
I bought this car 1st March 2010 from LUTON im the 3rd owner of this car, the first being Bedfordshire police force using it as a training car, the second owner was an elderly gent who just pottered around in it until it developed an engine fualt.
At which point i bought the car for £350 plus my Peugeot 406 2.1TD Estate with 12 hours MOT left on it.
At this point i had done some research and was hoping it was just an ETM fault, no such luck, it turned out to be cylinder 3 had no compression, so i sourced an identical engine with full history and just 34k miles done.
At the time of the engine swap i also replaced the water pump, timing belt, auxillary belt, V70R clutch, Scorpion stainless exhaust, spark plugs, oil and filter,fuel filter and pcv system.
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Post 661801 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:47:39
Soon after some T5 alloys were purchased from a member on here (Pacman) and also a strut brace was fitted along with the projector headlamps as my headlamps were terrible and one lense was cracked
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Post 661802 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:48:44
Then i had a Miltek downpipe built at a whoping £950 with 100 cel cat
no pics available unfortunatly
Post 661803 by smithy on 2013-11-18 21:49:18
Nice motor I really liked my v70 2.5t and it was very quick too with just a remap .the torque was wild .then I rebuilt the engine with a couple of extra mods then it really moved .
Post 661804 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:49:56
this was quickly followed by V70 2002 T5 alloys Amaltheas [ATTACH=CONFIG]23002[/ATTACH]
Post 661806 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:51:53
And more recently i have had a C70 rear axle fitted with new brake lines from front to back, braided brake lines 302mm front discs and Ferrodo ds2500 pads all round.
I also fitted a 16T with white injectors and wound the boost upto 9.5psi which took the power upto approx 240bhp.
In the last few weeks i have changed wheels again for V50 T5 alloys running 235 40 18 rears and 225 40 18 fronts with 5mm spacer on fronts, soon to be replaced with 10mm spacers and camber bolts
with the most recent mod being a V70R front bumper and full V70R interior getting rid of the horrible beige seats being replaced with nice black[ATTACH=CONFIG]23003[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]23004[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]23005[/ATTACH]
Post 661807 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 21:56:44
just a little update, i bought a K24 a few months ago and have slowly been getting all the other hardware together too do the conversion, ie S60R exhaust manifold V50 T5 one piece exhaust gasket water pipe gaskets oil pipe gaskets green injectors water pipes oil pipes and intercooler.
Fortunatly for me i have a very good mate who owns a garage so we set about swapping the turbo and associated hardware on friday night, not a straight forward job on a P1 V70 as i was led too believe, lots of mods required.
It took us about 1.5 hours too remove the 16T and manifold, then the fun began, V50 T5 exhaust gasket needs one of the corners triming too fit correctly (where the part number is) easy enough and we had the manifold on within an hour, next came the K24, it wouldnt locate on the manifold due too the water pipe that runs at the back of the engine as it ha 2 take offs one for the heater matrix and one for the turbo, the turbo take off was the problem, at this point it was 3am on Saturday and after lots of head scratching and swearing we decided too call it a night with a plan hatched.
Onto Saturday, up at 8am and down too the local motor factor too get some water pipe, didnt sell it in the right size, so onto next motor factor, they had 3 different ones, i only needed approx 3" straight piece, one was £19 shaped item and the other from some unknown car was offered at £2 so i took it with the appropriate jubilee clips, anyway we cut the offending pipe and rejoined it, hey presto K24 now fits.
Only 2 of the pipes from S60R/T5 fit as they should, oil return pipe and top metal water pipe too turbo, the other 2 needed modifying in some way which took a lot of time.
Too cut a long story short we eventually finished the turbo install at approx 8pm tonight with one of Graeme Weche's 3" MAF too turbo pipes. Big thanks too Graeme for sorting this pipe so quickly for me.
Finally we did a full oil and filter change and we did a final check for any leeks, none found so my mate took it for a quick blast up the road and feck me it looked very quick and sounded completly different too the 16T fitted car. Then i took it for a spin and was shocked at how quick it was and was even more shocked too see 25psi, where the hell has boost/fuel cut gone?????
Due too the insanely SMALL download limits i cant upload all the latest pics showing the new turbo, intercooler and pipework!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway here are some pics:
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Post 661808 by V70 Graham on 2013-11-18 22:03:11
Wow, this car has certainly come along way since you bought it, great work.
Post 661809 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-18 22:05:38
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Post 661818 by WOODY T5 on 2013-11-18 22:54:54
It's coming along very nice mate looks loads better keep up good work
Post 661836 by T5frankie on 2013-11-19 04:52:25
Good to see someone going a different route to the normal t5 route. Are you not supposed to lower the compression?
Post 661838 by smithy on 2013-11-19 05:53:02
[QUOTE=T5frankie;661836]Good to see someone going a different route to the normal t5 route. Are you not supposed to lower the compression?[/QUOTE]
No you just run less boost
Post 661840 by jdavis on 2013-11-19 06:52:11
Great work there!
Post 662903 by AndysR on 2013-11-23 17:21:40
Good progress, car looks nice :)
Post 662907 by stribo on 2013-11-23 17:32:10
Great looking project, interested to see what results you get with the LPT engine, which obviously isn't LPT anymore.
Post 663300 by martybelfastt5 on 2013-11-24 13:29:58
Great work car is looking superb and as said nice to see a 2.5 get this treatment
Post 663524 by deathrider311271 on 2013-11-24 23:16:18
not long too waite now the car is in now for its map, should know in the next 2 weeks what this setup is capable off
Post 671930 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-21 13:07:19
Anyway a small update, issues have been found as my car is plod training car, well after lots of investigation work and parts i have replaced it turns out plod have the R map installed as standard. On top of this with me fitting the R clocks it has caused conflicts in the mapping so i now need to fit the standard clocks back in too get the final map sorted. The issue is Rick cant get the boost or timing advance stabalised because of the conflict between the ecu and R clocks.
Unlike the earlier motronic 4.3/4.4 where you can change the clocks without issue it appears you cant on the ME7 models, even on Vida Dice when plugged in with the R clocks in it comes up with the VIN of the original R and auto awd so there must be some software in the clocks somewhere.
So unfortunatly wont get the car back or results until new year now
Post 671933 by V70 Graham on 2013-12-21 13:14:14
Another ME7 pita, hopefully sorted soon in the new year mate.
Post 671934 by LiamT4 on 2013-12-21 13:28:33
Whats the point of the police fitting the "R" map on your car, as its a different engine and turbo? Where they being numpties or did it actually give an increase in performance?
Post 671936 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-21 13:34:16
[QUOTE=LiamT4;671934]Whats the point of the police fitting the "R" map on your car, as its a different engine and turbo? Where they being numpties or did it actually give an increase in performance?[/QUOTE]
havent got a clue mate, im just going on what Volvo told me, altho when i put it up against my mates T5 it was quicker off the line but the T5 pulled it back at higher speeds/revs. I know my other mate Andy has just fitted an R ecu too his V70 awd and its made a difference
Post 671939 by LiamT4 on 2013-12-21 13:42:36
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;671936]havent got a clue mate, im just going on what Volvo told me, altho when i put it up against my mates T5 it was quicker off the line but the T5 pulled it back at higher speeds/revs. I know my other mate Andy has just fitted an R ecu too his V70 awd and its made a difference[/QUOTE]
Interesting.
Post 671941 by graemewelch on 2013-12-21 13:46:59
hopfully the clocks will be a easy fix and you get it sorted. im sending some work aets way shortly. its my birthday present
Post 671942 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-21 13:50:36
[QUOTE=graemewelch;671941]hopfully the clocks will be a easy fix and you get it sorted. im sending some work aets way shortly. its my birthday present[/QUOTE]
spill the beans mr welch, hybrid turbo by any chance??
Post 671950 by bongodave on 2013-12-21 14:33:35
Amazing dedication to your car and clearly great work done. I've changed a brake light bulb on mine so far! lol. Trying to resist temptation of going for it, but it's only a couple weeks old so will see.
Top work and respect fella.
Post 671953 by graemewelch on 2013-12-21 14:39:12
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;671942]spill the beans mr welch, hybrid turbo by any chance??[/QUOTE]
k26 billet wheel and autosmart actuator. will be polishing the exhaust manifold and turbo housing to.
Post 673390 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 01:11:37
well i know you lot have been waiting for the results and i got a pleasant suprise today, 304.1 whp and 337.4 ft/lb toqrue or 349bhp and 524nm
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Post 673396 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 04:15:47
Well done mate although that nm torque figure is wrong
Post 673456 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 11:04:12
[QUOTE=T5frankie;673396]Well done mate although that nm torque figure is wrong[/QUOTE]
thanks Frank, im sure you will correct the nm figure for me lol
Post 673457 by Jamest5r on 2013-12-24 11:06:46
What Frankie is saying is that 337 don't equate to 524 nm, I've got 530nm and that's around 390 lb
Post 673458 by V70 Graham on 2013-12-24 11:10:23
337.4 ft/lb equates to 457.5 Nm :B_thumb:
Post 673460 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 11:17:22
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;673458]337.4 ft/lb equates to 457.5 Nm :B_thumb:[/QUOTE]
now convert that too the crank and it comes out at 524nm or it did with the conversion i used online
Post 673461 by Jamest5r on 2013-12-24 11:20:17
I thought Torque was Torque and not converted
Post 673462 by stephenevans99 on 2013-12-24 11:26:24
Looking forward to seeing this again....are you coming to the Epic Creations meet at Squires on the 4th Jan?
Post 673463 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 11:36:33
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;673462]Looking forward to seeing this again....are you coming to the Epic Creations meet at Squires on the 4th Jan?[/QUOTE]
all being well yes mate
Post 673465 by stephenevans99 on 2013-12-24 11:46:30
Found this from Malvern:
Post 673474 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 12:02:39
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;673461]I thought Torque was Torque and not converted[/QUOTE]
it is mate, you only have one torque figure
Post 673482 by smithy on 2013-12-24 12:29:25
Weldone mate what boost was you running
Post 673486 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 12:49:03
[QUOTE=smithy;673482]Weldone mate what boost was you running[/QUOTE]
thats only running 17.5psi
Post 673495 by stribo on 2013-12-24 13:23:03
Good figures mate, you must be well chuffed. :B_thumb:
Post 673506 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 13:38:29
[QUOTE=stribo;673495]Good figures mate, you must be well chuffed. :B_thumb:[/QUOTE]
yes im well happy mate, wasnt expecting it too be that high tbh i was expecting about 280whp but over 300whp is a bonus
Post 673507 by mitchyboy01 on 2013-12-24 13:44:14
Nice figures mate! Are the internals stock?
Post 673513 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 13:53:21
[QUOTE=mitchyboy01;673507]Nice figures mate! Are the internals stock?[/QUOTE]
Yes mate nothing changed on the internals yet, when i get the engine forged i will get the liners shimmed which will be next year
Post 673527 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 14:40:59
looking good simon and my favourite colour too
Post 673543 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 14:58:25
[QUOTE=T5frankie;673527]looking good simon and my favourite colour too[/QUOTE]
cheers Frank, its taken a while but getting there now mate
Post 673548 by WOODY T5 on 2013-12-24 15:09:11
Turn out very nice mate well done. me best get some mods done dont won't u lot keeping up ;)
Post 673550 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:10:31
[QUOTE=WOODY T5;673548]Turn out very nice mate well done. me best get some mods done dont won't u lot keeping up ;)[/QUOTE]
everyone is catching you power wise deanie boy
Post 673560 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 15:17:52
[QUOTE=WOODY T5;673548]Turn out very nice mate well done. me best get some mods done dont won't u lot keeping up ;)[/QUOTE]
not a lot of a chance that will happen dean, the way yours takes off is awesome for a fwd
Post 673562 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:19:17
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;673560]not a lot of a chance that will happen dean, the way yours takes off is awesome for a fwd[/QUOTE]
you know its 4wd right?
Post 673570 by merc85 on 2013-12-24 15:27:46
That's awesome bhp on standard rods, must have a magical engine like deans lol
Post 673571 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 15:28:30
[QUOTE=T5frankie;673562]you know its 4wd right?[/QUOTE]
pmsl takes off in the dry like its 4wd
Post 673572 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:28:58
has the compression of the engine been lowered simon?
Post 673576 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 15:34:00
[QUOTE=T5frankie;673572]has the compression of the engine been lowered simon?[/QUOTE]
no mate engine is completly standard
Post 673578 by mitchyboy01 on 2013-12-24 15:35:35
Fantastic on a stock lump using lowish boost. The high compression ratio probably helps get the high power at such low boost. The mapper probably had rod prssevation in mind when he mapped your car. Tcode ran 400bhp on a stock t4 lump which most people thought was impossible. Just mapped the boost to come in later. Im glad to see your results as they prove what can be done rather than the usual internet hearsay.
Post 673579 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:35:39
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;673571]pmsl takes off in the dry like its 4wd[/QUOTE]
it's his 2nd gear that does it
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Post 673580 by deathrider311271 on 2013-12-24 15:36:06
[QUOTE=merc85;673570]That's awesome bhp on standard rods, must have a magical engine like deans lol[/QUOTE]
All down too the mapping Gav, if you look at the graph its very linear and stable thro out the rev range, plus the boost doesnt really hit peak until 3250rpm so should be safe
Post 673581 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:36:45
look forward to kicking your arse at york then si lol
Post 673583 by T5frankie on 2013-12-24 15:37:31
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;673580]All down too the mapping Gav, if you look at the graph its very linear and stable thro out the rev range, plus the boost doesnt really hit peak until 3250rpm so should be safe[/QUOTE]
boost peak is usually 5000rpms on t5 maps
Post 673686 by smithy on 2013-12-24 18:43:43
Nice power and low boost .thats due to the higher compression and bigger turbo helps too.meet you at York in the new season to see how it pulls against 140 bhp 940
Post 673749 by graemewelch on 2013-12-24 21:03:27
[QUOTE=smithy;673686]Nice power and low boost .thats due to the higher compression and bigger turbo helps too.meet you at York in the new season to see how it pulls against 140 bhp 940[/QUOTE]
might be a few other mods helping to, mine made about the same power with a k24 and 1.2 bar of boost. good mapping and a decent turbo is all thats needs get rid of the pre me7 lads. its holding yous back
Post 673755 by t5 pete on 2013-12-24 21:15:16
[QUOTE=graemewelch;673749]might be a few other mods helping to, mine made about the same power with a k24 and 1.2 bar of boost. good mapping and a decent turbo is all thats needs get rid of the pre me7 lads. its holding yous back[/QUOTE]
Lol time will tell all you fancy me7 boys youve yet to prove your selfs
Post 673817 by Kingsford G on 2013-12-24 23:14:40
Wow.I missed an interesting built here.Great power mate,k24 spool up is great and transforms a car without the need of mbc to pull at low revs.Nice work.
Post 690703 by deathrider311271 on 2014-02-21 18:16:49
just a little update:
Jan 23rd i got the call i didnt want to hear lol, Rick phoned and told me he had been playing some more with my car but had to change some parts, MAF sensor, spark plugs, Turbo control valve and air filter. The reason for the air filter was because it was restricting air slow!!!!!!!!! Fekkin pile of ££££e BSR crap.
Anyway he was just doing the final few runs and had got near as damn it 360whp or approx 420bhp, not bad for a lowly 2.5T lol, but then on the second to last run it spun a crank shell so is now making a nice knocking sound from the bottom end.
These things happen lol, so i was straight onto Tim Williams who is in the process of finding me either a S60R/V70R 2.5 engine or a 2.4T5 engine and then going from there, so i awaite news from Tim. Fortunatly he can build the engine for me without having the car there, there will be a few more mods added at the same time but they will be revealed later, lets just say it will be able to put the power down and the gearbox and clutch will be well upto the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post 690705 by deathrider311271 on 2014-02-21 18:18:01
well another little update, called into AET today and Rick has a couple of well deserved days off, so had a look at what extra's had been fitted, first off a massive 86mm MAF sensor (new) apparently capable of flowing enough air for well over 500bhp as a result combined with Graeme Welch's 3" MAF to turbo pipe is now flowing a massive 22% more air over standard, secondly the ITG air filter is about 3 times the size if the crappy BSR unit also capable of well over 500bhp.
Looking forward to getting my 'R' engine built up and fitted by Mr Tim Williams to see exactly what it will produce.
So guys watch this space lol
Post 690708 by graemewelch on 2014-02-21 18:21:12
[QUOTE=deathrider311271;690705]well another little update, called into AET today and Rick has a couple of well deserved days off, so had a look at what extra's had been fitted, first off a massive 86mm MAF sensor (new) apparently capable of flowing enough air for well over 500bhp as a result combined with Graeme Welch's 3" MAF to turbo pipe is now flowing a massive 22% more air over standard, secondly the ITG air filter is about 3 times the size if the crappy BSR unit also capable of well over 500bhp.
Looking forward to getting my 'R' engine built up and fitted by Mr Tim Williams to see exactly what it will produce.
So guys watch this space lol[/QUOTE]
sounds good. youve got me jelous. after seeing this post i forgot to return your call yesterday. ill drop you a line after me tea. mince and dumplings tonight
Post 690711 by V70 Graham on 2014-02-21 18:27:34
Sorry to hear of your latest set back Simon, but it sounds as though you have everything in hand, gonna be a monster when it's done.
Post 690713 by WOODY T5 on 2014-02-21 18:45:54
Oh nice figs mate got any grath of that!
Post 690720 by stribo on 2014-02-21 18:53:04
Sorry to hear about your current engine, looking forward to seeing what the new one will produce.
Post 690755 by smithy on 2014-02-21 20:29:15
Sounds good this build .you will have to bring it to the strip when finished .
Post 690756 by t5 pete on 2014-02-21 20:30:40
Sounds like a great build and at least with the new engine you wont be worried its all worth it in the end
Post 690765 by deathrider311271 on 2014-02-21 20:49:26
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;690711]Sorry to hear of your latest set back Simon, but it sounds as though you have everything in hand, gonna be a monster when it's done.[/QUOTE]
The plan was always to have an engine built anyway so its just bought plans forward really, also its completly my fault as i forgot to move and upgrade the oil cooler. I did tell Rick to take it to the max without blowing it up lol, well he didnt blow it up!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=WOODY T5;690713]Oh nice figs mate got any grath of that![/QUOTE]
not yet Dean, altho Rick will email me all the graphs once completed
[QUOTE=smithy;690755]Sounds good this build .you will have to bring it to the strip when finished .[/QUOTE]
That is a definate Smithy lol
Post 690767 by deathrider311271 on 2014-02-21 20:50:21
[QUOTE=t5 pete;690756]Sounds like a great build and at least with the new engine you wont be worried its all worth it in the end[/QUOTE]
I hope so Pete and i look forward to upsetting a lot of posh cars lol
