Bad start! '97 V70 AWD Turbo
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Post 662261 by samfwell on 2013-11-21 10:50:12
Morning folks,
I made my first foray into the world of Volvo ownership by purchasing a 1997 V70 AWD Turbo from ebay for the grand sum of £350 on Sunday (17.11.13). Pictures!
You can all amuse yourselves here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-VOLVO-V70-TURBO-AWD-BLACK-SPARES-OR-REPAIR-/151161511133?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=vxocr2o35mTh5ZG8dzO9vibUi8A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
I had contacted the seller in advance to check how bad the clutch was and whether it would be suitable for the 120 mile drive home. An answer to the affirmative and a quick look on GSF/ECP revealed that a 3 piece kit could be had for under £200 and I was fancying a little bit of a project anyway...
So it was bought and gently driven home (to Sheffield) without major incident. I even saw over 30mpg on the way home, on account of not really being able to accelerate due to the clutch. So far so good. No...
On Monday (24 hours later) I called round the major motor factors only to be told that no such clutch kit existed and it would be a dealer option. ££££. Volvo came good though and said they were able to do a 2-part kit for under £250. Not great but I could stomach that.
Decided to take the car out again Monday night (36 hours later) to see if she was worth the money and while chilling 4 up on the M1 with all the heated seats blaring and enjoying the sound of the 5-pot, a little experiment in second gear up to 70mph/5600rpm just to hear how she sounded and the oil light came on along with a small whirr from the engine. Pulled over, checked the dipstick (which had sprayed some oil out the top of it) and there was plenty (if a little too much) of nicely coloured oil. Drove away again and the light stayed off for a few minutes and then returned along with a bit of top-end rattle.
Long story short, I carried on to my destination, knowing full well that the head was chewing itself apart as I didn't have breakdown and really needed to get there. By the time I got home, the noise was pretty horrific and drawing quite a lot of attention from pedestrians as I drove through Sheffield city centre. I've not had a chance to whip the cam covers off but I'm fully expecting a FUBARd head and I'm tempted to point my finger at an oil pump failure. Sound about right?
Anyway, I think I may have sourced an engine, just need to decide if she's worth it or whether to get out now and try another. I know these can be costly to repair so what should I be checking before slotting a new engine in?
Also, what are the tuning capabilities of this engine, I'm a total newb to the Volvo scene but I would like something between 200-250bhp and I'm a fan of the AWD as I've had Scoobies for the past couple of winters with a little less power but I figure these should be able to take it...
Phew, TLDR; bought car, engine has died 200 miles later, should I replace it or scrap the car?!
Cheers,
Sam
Post 662269 by Dangerous Dave on 2013-11-21 11:26:56
Well, welcome to the forum!
I was watching this on ebay the other day, glad I didn't bid.
Most people will say break it and buy a T5, but if you like the AWD and aren't afraid of getting stuck in if something breaks then keep it and stick a 2.3 HPT engine in it. The 2.5 LPT engine is the same but runs a slightly higher compression so needs to be tuned carefully if you want more. I love my AWD, gets me through the snow with no probs.
BTW carparts4less do a cheap clutch kit (check your VIN, but they do other kits too plus 15 quid off if you use the code on their front page)
http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/cp4l/c/Volvo_V70_2.5_1997/p/car-parts/car-transmission/clutch-and-associated-parts/clutch-kit/?641660420&1&ff2c0236dddf2f6d04aba0e96c87ceb4da1400b9&000069
Post 662270 by jamesy12345 on 2013-11-21 11:29:40
:welcome:
Like your first post! :)
Post 662271 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 11:30:52
Welcome to the forum.
unfortunately you seem to have been stiched up somewhat by the look of things.
without going into every little posible fault, if you are looking at replacing the engine and keeping the car what i would definately do is to get the car thoroughly looked over for other faults first.
ie , is the awd system working fine, or is the viscous coupling gone ?
are the shocks shot etc, etc.
obvoiusly ignore minor cosmetics like the front bumper scrape, but do all the electrics work ?
if it comes up with a massive list then the 'afterwards' value of the car is going to dictate your decision.
in terms of tuning, yes you can achieve a reasonable level of more power with a remap and some other generic mods. the high pressure turbo models tend to be more tuneable as with probably any brand of car you can name. this one is a 2.5t lpt in case you were not sure.
i believe the slighlty higher compression ratio is a bit of a restriction to going onwards and upwards after a certain point.
i hope you keep it , and are happy witho the outcome but it depends what you need to invest.
Post 662272 by PHIL V70R on 2013-11-21 11:31:01
replace mate or get it check over....
Post 662276 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 11:42:56
I would like the osf drivers door if you break ;)
Post 662277 by expolicev70t5 on 2013-11-21 11:47:55
[QUOTE=merc85;662276]I would like the osf drivers door if you break ;)[/QUOTE]
Vulture :D
Post 662278 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 11:51:25
[QUOTE=expolicev70t5;662277]Vulture :D[/QUOTE]
lol
Post 662279 by oblark on 2013-11-21 11:56:14
[QUOTE=merc85;662276]I would like the osf drivers door if you break ;)[/QUOTE]
It`s a V70 so the inside door trim will be different to your 850 :)
Post 662280 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 12:00:04
I do have a good 2319cc t5 engine if your interested
Post 662281 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 12:01:25
[QUOTE=oblark;662279]It`s a V70 so the inside door trim will be different to your 850 :)[/QUOTE]
are the internals different then?
Post 662283 by oblark on 2013-11-21 12:04:20
[QUOTE=merc85;662281]are the internals different then?[/QUOTE]
I think so, but I could wrong :)
Post 662284 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 12:07:55
can confirm different part numbers anyway.
arent the internal release handles in different places ?
Post 662287 by MoleT-5R on 2013-11-21 12:16:42
[QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;662284]can confirm different part numbers anyway.
arent the internal release handles in different places ?[/QUOTE]
yep, but I imaging the bare door is the same just the lever mechanism will be different not to much of a job to change I'm sure
Post 662288 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 12:16:57
[QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;662284]can confirm different part numbers anyway.
arent the internal release handles in different places ?[/QUOTE]
Yes but its not to say the threads arent there to change them over
Post 662289 by samfwell on 2013-11-21 12:17:55
I was definitely going to get it checked over before rooting for the engine swap. I can get it up on some ramps while it still just about drives. I know I need to look at the prop (what about it?) and the rear shocks in particular. I was under the car on Monday and the prop can turn back and forth about 15 degrees with a thud at the end of the turn. Healthy?
It will be getting lowered if I keep it so will that kill the shocks quicker?
On a side note, I put the radio code in wrong a few times and it now just says "off". Any help? I now know the correct radio code!
If I break it, what parts are worth anything as I would probably want to get it moved on fairly quick so I can buy another...
Post 662290 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 12:20:44
Welcome fella....good luck with sorting out the engine...at least they're cheap....:)
Post 662291 by oblark on 2013-11-21 12:22:47
[QUOTE=samfwell;662289]I was definitely going to get it checked over before rooting for the engine swap. I can get it up on some ramps while it still just about drives. I know I need to look at the prop (what about it?) and the rear shocks in particular. I was under the car on Monday and the prop can turn back and forth about 15 degrees with a thud at the end of the turn. Healthy?
It will be getting lowered if I keep it so will that kill the shocks quicker?
On a side note, I put the radio code in wrong a few times and it now just says "off". Any help? I now know the correct radio code!
[COLOR="#FF0000"]If I break it, what parts are worth anything[/COLOR] as I would probably want to get it moved on fairly quick so I can buy another...[/QUOTE]
Gearbox and angle gear
Post 662292 by gsxrboy on 2013-11-21 12:26:47
[QUOTE=merc85;662280]I do have a good 2319cc t5 engine if your interested[/QUOTE]
i might be after one for my 98 v70 :)
Post 662294 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 12:50:30
[QUOTE=gsxrboy;662292]i might be after one for my 98 v70 :)[/QUOTE]
im in no rush, was keeping it for a rainy day lol
Post 662306 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 13:33:11
[QUOTE=samfwell;662289]I was definitely going to get it checked over before rooting for the engine swap. I can get it up on some ramps while it still just about drives. I know I need to look at the prop (what about it?) and the rear shocks in particular. I was under the car on Monday and the prop can turn back and forth about 15 degrees with a thud at the end of the turn. Healthy?
It will be getting lowered if I keep it so will that kill the shocks quicker?
On a side note, I put the radio code in wrong a few times and it now just says "off". Any help? I now know the correct radio code!
If I break it, what parts are worth anything as I would probably want to get it moved on fairly quick so I can buy another...[/QUOTE]
all uk awd models have self levelling nivomat fitted as standard so you cant lower it with those on.
volvo do list standard shock which you can id by price , but nobody seems to know the standard spring part number for w/o nivomat .
i cant seem to find a standard non genuine shock anywhere. - have been trying for ages.
Post 662307 by samfwell on 2013-11-21 13:36:59
[QUOTE=merc85;662280]I do have a good 2319cc t5 engine if your interested[/QUOTE]
I've sourced a 2.4 110k engine from a '98 AWD for £150 which I can get put on a pallet.
Can someone clear up the tuning potential of these LPTs? As I said, I'm not after mega performance but would like something usable in the 220bhp region...
Post 662310 by merc85 on 2013-11-21 14:02:51
To get 220bhp should be easy, but if your lump is toast why not just put as t5 lump in? 225 as standard
Post 662311 by M-R-P on 2013-11-21 14:17:36
[QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;662306]all uk awd models have self levelling nivomat fitted as standard so you cant lower it with those on.
volvo do list standard shock which you can id by price , but nobody seems to know the standard spring part number for w/o nivomat .
i cant seem to find a standard non genuine shock anywhere. - have been trying for ages.[/QUOTE]
The other option is to use fooler bolts on the nivs, and you can drop the back end by however long the bolts are.
Post 662312 by samfwell on 2013-11-21 14:21:14
[QUOTE=merc85;662310]To get 220bhp should be easy, but if your lump is toast why not just put as t5 lump in? 225 as standard[/QUOTE]
Will there be a compatible T5 lump? Wouldn't that require alot more work than a just dropping the block and head from an equivalent 2.4 in with changing the ECU & turbo and a hell of a lot more. Dropping the 2.4 engine is meant as a quick cheap fix but I'd also like to get some performance out of it in the future.
Could be a scrapper. No ability to lower it then, or certainly not cost effectively...
Post 662313 by M-R-P on 2013-11-21 14:24:05
[QUOTE=M-R-P;662311]The other option is to use fooler bolts on the nivs, and you can drop the back end by however long the bolts are.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=samfwell;662312]
Could be a scrapper. No ability to lower it then, or certainly not cost effectively...[/QUOTE]
ummm..... ^^^^^^^
Post 662314 by samfwell on 2013-11-21 14:27:30
[QUOTE=M-R-P;662313]ummm..... ^^^^^^^[/QUOTE]
Sorry, was writing my reply at the same time.
That's good, guessing I can just fit springs to the front and "fooler" bolts on the back. Whatever they are... [/newb]
Post 662315 by M-R-P on 2013-11-21 14:31:39
Foolers are simply longer bolts with a bush/spacer (40-50mm is best) that drops the bottom of the shock down a little. This then allows the car to settle down by however long the bolt/spacer allows.
Post 662318 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 15:01:36
would they work, as the awd shocks have the eylet design with 2 bolts at the bottom end martin ?
this sits in the axle cup, so i cant suss how it could be spaced down
Post 662323 by M-R-P on 2013-11-21 15:31:57
[QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;662318]would they work, as the awd shocks have the eylet design with 2 bolts at the bottom end martin ?
this sits in the axle cup, so i cant suss how it could be spaced down[/QUOTE]
I thought the AWD used this type of shock? which can be dropped with foolers.
Post 662332 by oblark on 2013-11-21 16:27:34
[QUOTE=M-R-P;662323]I thought the AWD used this type of shock? which can be dropped with foolers.[/QUOTE]
Dalhousie lowered he's v70 awd by putting spacers under the bottom shock fitting bolts.
Post 662339 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 16:47:34
[QUOTE=M-R-P;662323]I thought the AWD used this type of shock? which can be dropped with foolers.[/QUOTE]
same as the nivomats, sachs but not available to buy through their aftermarket range.
553258 isnt in the catalogue.
Post 662340 by M-R-P on 2013-11-21 17:11:09
my point is, the way they mount rather than what shocks can and can't be bought.
you can fit fooler bolts to drop the ride height with this type of shock. as he who shal not be named has proven. :)
Post 662620 by samfwell on 2013-11-22 18:24:02
Defo eyelet style rear shocks on this so spacing it would be the only option. Had a look underneath this today and it seems to be held together pretty well, would be such a shame to break it.
How much work would be involved in fitting a HPT turbo engine to this car and what sort of cost? What are the compatible donor cars? Considering I'm looking at around £250 to refit the same engine...
Post 662622 by Dangerous Dave on 2013-11-22 18:27:44
It's the same engine (the 2.5 is bored 2mm more in diameter), you would just need an ecu for a 2.3 engine (though you have to be careful as some have the immobiliser enabled) or get the 2.5 ecu remapped for a 2.3 (just fuelling, ignition and load/boost control is mainly different)
Post 662642 by Biff on 2013-11-22 19:27:29
Welcome mate, another awd owner here but mine is currently fwd.
£15 for fooler bolts & bushes to drop them off eBay. He who must not be named has had good results but he told me 50mm drop is the maximum. You'll need to find front springs too or buy a kit & split it. I've sourced all mine but I'm yet to fit them(prob get winter out the way first) ;)
As for the engine get a t5 in it for eAsy power, few cheap mods should see you at 240bhp easy. Plenty of R's being broken again on eBay. 240bhp standard.
[QUOTE=Dangerous Dave;662622]It's the same engine (the 2.5 is bored 2mm more in diameter), you would just need an ecu for a 2.3 engine (though you have to be careful as some have the immobiliser enabled) or get the 2.5 ecu remapped for a 2.3 (just fuelling, ignition and load/boost control is mainly different)[/QUOTE] Can you you have a look at my ecu please Dave?
Welcome to the AWD club samfwell.
Post 665674 by samfwell on 2013-12-03 12:06:54
Well, to keep you up to speed, I decided to keep things simple and replace like for like. Got a matching engine for the transplant and spent the weekend lifting out the old lump and I've just started swapping over the bits I need ready to go back in this weekend.
Only to find, I get a letter from the DVLA this morning to say it was Cat C in March and is subject to a VIC check. Balls!
[QUOTE=Biff;662642]Welcome mate, another awd owner here but mine is currently fwd.
£15 for fooler bolts & bushes to drop them off eBay.[/QUOTE]
Got a link to the ebay ad? I can't find any, my google-fu is weak.
Post 665782 by Biff on 2013-12-03 18:49:00
[QUOTE=samfwell;665674]Well, to keep you up to speed, I decided to keep things simple and replace like for like. Got a matching engine for the transplant and spent the weekend lifting out the old lump and I've just started swapping over the bits I need ready to go back in this weekend.
Only to find, I get a letter from the DVLA this morning to say it was Cat C in March and is subject to a VIC check. Balls!
Got a link to the ebay ad? I can't find any, my google-fu is weak.[/QUOTE]
I can supply you with some if you want mate, I have changed jobs & have the parts readily available for when I drop mine. Pm me if your interested. ;)