Post 662293 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 12:31:34
Hello all,
I'm thinking of getting a spare 2.3T5 engine for the old brick, getting it stripped & rebuilt with probably a few optional extras to bulk up its HP output.....found a couple on ebay/scrappers, nice & cheap & so not a problem.
However whilst was scanning about I noticed a couple of BMW M5 engines, also good value & they already carrying 500 pit ponies!
Anyone tried this?? Will the M5 lump fit in the engine bay?...will I need to replace the transmission?...& probably a couple of hundred other what ifs
Consider this a feasibility study, so don't flame me too much for trying to create Frankenstein's monster!
Cheers
Morgan
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Post 662295 by t5 pete on 2013-11-21 12:55:10
If its a t5 you have we have wrd for bimmer engines
Post 662298 by T5frankie on 2013-11-21 13:06:55
You won't fine a 500bhp m5 engine in the Scrappers and they would cost thousands
Post 662299 by stribo on 2013-11-21 13:09:10
The V10 M5 engine won't fit transversely, you could fit it longitudinally, but you need to modify the firewall, then find a suitable gearbox, propshaft, rear axle, rear suspension, fuel tank, stand alone engine management etc.
Post 662304 by partsforvolvos.com on 2013-11-21 13:30:14
here is a different idea for you , take the m5 gearbox, mount it to the t5 and sort rwd.
that is done frequently in sweden. if it almost the box of choice .
Post 662358 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 18:18:21
It was this that got me thinking:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-BMW-5-SERIES-E39-M5-MANUAL-PETROL-SALOON-ENGINE-508S1-SPARES-OR-REPAIRS-/310794647509?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item485ccdf7d5
Appreciate there would be a bit of fettling + additional costs but could you tune a standard 2.3 hpt to 500 horses for less than £1500?
Again its just an idea, really for a trackday car, but just trying to gather knowledge on if it's even feasible, let alone desirable :parhmph:
Post 662359 by stribo on 2013-11-21 18:26:28
[QUOTE=Shinsplintz 101;662358]It was this that got me thinking:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-BMW-5-SERIES-E39-M5-MANUAL-PETROL-SALOON-ENGINE-508S1-SPARES-OR-REPAIRS-/310794647509?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item485ccdf7d5
Appreciate there would be a bit of fettling + additional costs but could you tune a standard 2.3 hpt to 500 horses for less than £1500?
Again its just an idea, really for a trackday car, but just trying to gather knowledge on if it's even feasible, let alone desirable :parhmph:[/QUOTE]
It's going to cost a lot more than £1500 to get that engine as a runner, as it's not in good condition, installation costs again will probably cost more than the engine. It is possible, but you're going to need deep pockets.
Post 662360 by T5frankie on 2013-11-21 18:33:56
[QUOTE=Shinsplintz 101;662358]It was this that got me thinking:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-BMW-5-SERIES-E39-M5-MANUAL-PETROL-SALOON-ENGINE-508S1-SPARES-OR-REPAIRS-/310794647509?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item485ccdf7d5
Appreciate there would be a bit of fettling + additional costs but could you tune a standard 2.3 hpt to 500 horses for less than £1500?
Again its just an idea, really for a trackday car, but just trying to gather knowledge on if it's even feasible, let alone desirable :parhmph:[/QUOTE]
thats a 400bhp engine
Post 662374 by smithy on 2013-11-21 19:22:00
What car are you wanting to fit this engine into because you mentioned 2.3hpt
Post 662377 by LiamT4 on 2013-11-21 19:24:14
[QUOTE=T5frankie;662360]thats a 400bhp engine[/QUOTE]
and it would cost loads to get the s62 engine up to 500bhp.
Post 662382 by claymore on 2013-11-21 19:32:08
And yes, you could get a 2.3 T5 up to 400bhp for £1500 if you know what you are doing.
Post 662396 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 20:05:22
[QUOTE=claymore;662382]And yes, you could get a 2.3 T5 up to 400bhp for £1500 if you know what you are doing.[/QUOTE]
That's more like it.....
I'm not fixed on the idea of the M5 engine, just trying to work out the best way to get bang for bucks as I've got a young family & a business clawing its way out of a recession.....sadly atm every buck has to be accounted for :(
The trackday car is a hard sell as it is to my better half [let alone another Volvo :)] & the chances of sneaking a massive pit lane budget past her are scarce to none! She does the books.
Just looking for cost effective ways of chucking a few more ponies into the mix, so expect a few PM's Claymore if I get hold of another T5 engine!
Cheers
Post 662401 by claymore on 2013-11-21 20:13:36
The only way you are going to be able to do it is if you can cut out any labour costs and can do all your own fabricating.
Post 662405 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 20:18:33
[QUOTE=claymore;662401]The only way you are going to be able to do it is if you can cut out any labour costs and can do all your own fabricating.[/QUOTE]
I'm always game for a challenge.....but don't be surprised if it end's up like the flintstone's car, me peddling like mad, after I've taken a 20lb sledge to the block in frustration...i'm good with buildings, not cars :)
p.s. though to be fair - I did once change a prop shaft on a transit tipper, back in 1998..........
Post 662423 by Biff on 2013-11-21 20:58:04
Me personally would leave the t5 engine in the 850.
Forge it, lighten it & stick a plentiful blower on it. 350bhp will be more than enough stripped out.
I have done plenty of engine conversions in the past, let engined mk2 Astra, xe engined nova & sr20det engine in a primera but my advice to you would be that you want a v8/m5 & rwd then buy a car that's rwd & v8 already.
Stav was selling a twin turbo v8 940 for £2k so sell the t5 to someone who will love it & buy that mate, dam site cheaper & less hassle, the hard work is done! ;)
Post 662491 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2013-11-21 22:29:34
[QUOTE=Biff;662423]Me personally would leave the t5 engine in the 850.
Forge it, lighten it & stick a plentiful blower on it. 350bhp will be more than enough stripped out.
I have done plenty of engine conversions in the past, let engined mk2 Astra, xe engined nova & sr20det engine in a primera but my advice to you would be that you want a v8/m5 & rwd then buy a car that's rwd & v8 already.
Stav was selling a twin turbo v8 940 for £2k so sell the t5 to someone who will love it & buy that mate, dam site cheaper & less hassle, the hard work is done! ;)[/QUOTE]
The plan as it stands is to keep the t5 as original as possible, few tweaks to upgrade & make it a more refined version of its lovely self...I don't plan on getting rid unless absolutely necessary!
The trackday car is a different project that i'm considering, possibly just dreaming about atm, it would include buying another t5 & jazzing it up for the track. Would need to set a budget [probably with the help of some of the more frugally minded on the forum :)] & give myself a year or two to get it done, if ever. Just throwing a few ideas out & seeing what I get back. The M5 powerplant option doesn't seem to be winner...better luck next time!
Thanks for the input, much appreciated - 'forging' what does that entail/what does it do/who does it & how much does it cost? Seen it mentioned in a few threads so may as well throw out the noob question whilst i'm new :()
Cheers, morgan
Post 662503 by graemewelch on 2013-11-21 22:47:32
[QUOTE=Shinsplintz 101;662491]The plan as it stands is to keep the t5 as original as possible, few tweaks to upgrade & make it a more refined version of its lovely self...I don't plan on getting rid unless absolutely necessary!
The trackday car is a different project that i'm considering, possibly just dreaming about atm, it would include buying another t5 & jazzing it up for the track. Would need to set a budget [probably with the help of some of the more frugally minded on the forum :)] & give myself a year or two to get it done, if ever. Just throwing a few ideas out & seeing what I get back. The M5 powerplant option doesn't seem to be winner...better luck next time!
Thanks for the input, much appreciated - 'forging' what does that entail/what does it do/who does it & how much does it cost? Seen it mentioned in a few threads so may as well throw out the noob question whilst i'm new :()
Cheers, morgan[/QUOTE]
if i was after a track car ill be honest a volvo would be bottom of my list. id be looking at somthing that handles like a go kart. would have to be awd or rwd. the like of 300zx are peanuts theses days. as are scoobies. i know wear my money would be going. a volvo is a family cruiser and that not going to change ay time soon.
Post 662506 by Biff on 2013-11-21 22:48:59
[QUOTE=Shinsplintz 101;662491]The plan as it stands is to keep the t5 as original as possible, few tweaks to upgrade & make it a more refined version of its lovely self...I don't plan on getting rid unless absolutely necessary!
The trackday car is a different project that i'm considering, possibly just dreaming about atm, it would include buying another t5 & jazzing it up for the track. Would need to set a budget [probably with the help of some of the more frugally minded on the forum :)] & give myself a year or two to get it done, if ever. Just throwing a few ideas out & seeing what I get back. The M5 powerplant option doesn't seem to be winner...better luck next time!
Thanks for the input, much appreciated - 'forging' what does that entail/what does it do/who does it & how much does it cost? Seen it mentioned in a few threads so may as well throw out the noob question whilst i'm new :()
Cheers, morgan[/QUOTE]
If it were me mate, you have a nice t5, build a decent all rounder that you can scare yourself in & still carry the kids & dogs.
Forging is the process to which the conrods are cast, they are cast so that they have high tensile strength & therefore able to run more boost & fuel/airflow. You could have your engines crank lightened & balanced as oe engine components are mass produced they're not very efficient. This would therefore make your engine rev faster & spool the boost quicker. The list could go on forever but your power hike would be great. These engines it's more about the torque though.
If it was a t5r or an 850r I'd understand keeping it standard but with a good list of mods & the right direction your 850 will be all you need.
If you want rwd though I suggest a 740 or 940 as these are rwd to start with & would swallow an m5 lump pretty easy as said with the right fabrication skills.
Finding someone to trust without costing you a kidney may be the biggest challenge.