Spaceframed volvo T5 AWD - 4-600hp target

Post 677834 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 20:58:38

Hi all, just in the process of building a space frame for my current car, iv opted to use the volvo t5 2.5 AWD system.. And picked a donar up really cheap from a crash damaged (rear end) v70 1997 model Iv just been reading up and been told this ain't the engine to run.. I want to keep the AWD but read it's soft.. I'm hoping to run between 400-600bhp wide power figure I know but iv got £2500 for engine and components inc upgrades to gearbox if any... Just wanted to know your opinions as to running the 2.5 or opting for another T5 Any help will be much appreciated as I'm new the the T5 engine.. Any details on were to start on modifying these engine would also be good as there Low pressure engines and also knew to them and not sure on the turbo to run etc.. Thanks in advance hope this all makes sense Il upload pics ASAP Ashley

Post 677841 by jdavis on 2014-01-05 21:04:30

The best 5 cylinder volvo engine is the 2.4 t5 engine from a 2005-2007 v70/s60 t5

Post 677842 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:05:54

I don't think you're going to get 400 to 600 bhp for 2 and a half grand to be honest, the turbo alone would be around that price. still looking forward to updates though.

Post 677845 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:09:51

Iv got a Gt3071r already but not sure if there any good for these cars as it's of my previous

Post 677846 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:12:29

[QUOTE=Harland292;677845]Iv got a Gt3071r already but not sure if there any good for these cars as it's of my previous[/QUOTE] Yep, that turbo can certainly get you to 500bhp

Post 677847 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:14:13

[QUOTE=claymore;677846]Yep, that turbo can certainly get you to 500bhp[/QUOTE] It's just everything else I need to get sorted, as to which engine, as I'm guessing the one mentioned above are pretty rare after a quick look online

Post 677848 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:16:13

The 2.5 will be fine, just make sure you shim the block or even darton sleeve it.

Post 677851 by Wobbly Dave on 2014-01-05 21:21:34

[QUOTE=claymore;677842]I don't think you're going to get 400 to 600 bhp for 2 and a half grand to be honest, the turbo alone would be around that price. still looking forward to updates though.[/QUOTE] Amen to that. My internals cost a grand.

Post 677852 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:23:33

So my 1997 block will be fine if shimmed as that's fine, also arp bolts through out, car will be having a tubular equal length manifold with 3" downpipe reducing the 2.5 through midsection to reduce tumbling gas flows.. Head will be rebuilt ported and polished, vxr injectors and decent intercooler mig welded stainless intercooler pipes.. Then I'm guessing it's down to ecu :/ and been told to get an 850r one but not sure on this as I don't know much about it.. Would this be enough for good power.. Going to look up about the Darton sleeves Just to confirm on this manifolds paid for to be done aswell as exhaust already so that won't be out the £2500 budget

Post 677853 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:24:24

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;677851]Amen to that. My internals cost a grand.[/QUOTE] Iv already got the turbo from previous car Gt3071r

Post 677855 by Wobbly Dave on 2014-01-05 21:27:25

Starting from scratch I'd be tempted to use the 2.4 block not the 1997.

Post 677858 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-01-05 21:31:15

I could be way off here, but hasn't Death Bringer just managed to get something like 400bhp from his 2.5. and it's a stock block, isn't it? Perhaps look him up on here.

Post 677859 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:32:09

[QUOTE=Harland292;677852]So my 1997 block will be fine if shimmed as that's fine, also arp bolts through out, car will be having a tubular equal length manifold with 3" downpipe reducing the 2.5 through midsection to reduce tumbling gas flows.. Head will be rebuilt ported and polished, vxr injectors and decent intercooler mig welded stainless intercooler pipes.. Then I'm guessing it's down to ecu :/ and been told to get an 850r one but not sure on this as I don't know much about it.. Would this be enough for good power.. Going to look up about the Darton sleeves Just to confirm on this manifolds paid for to be done aswell as exhaust already so that won't be out the £2500 budget[/QUOTE] OK, 1: why restrict the exhaust to 2.5", 2: best go for a twin vvt head to start with and port that 3: VXR injectors won't be any where near good enough enough. you will have to get a custom map, 850r ecu means nothing (that will only give you 250bhp)

Post 677860 by merc85 on 2014-01-05 21:34:00

[QUOTE=Harland292;677853]Iv already got the turbo from previous car Gt3071r[/QUOTE] I dont wana start a slanging match or go off topic , Have you researched the RT mechanics build, his 850 t5r was built and produced i believe 591bhp.

Post 677861 by deathrider311271 on 2014-01-05 21:35:06

to give you an idea mate my 2.5T has just made 350bhp on stock internals, i fekkin hate all you doubters you lot did exactly the same too me when i first started, thats the reason i carried on too stick 2 fingers up too all the doubters. Its all down too the maping mate

Post 677865 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:38:50

[QUOTE=claymore;677859]OK, 1: why restrict the exhaust to 2.5", 2: best go for a twin vvt head to start with and port that 3: VXR injectors won't be any where near good enough enough. you will have to get a custom map, 850r ecu means nothing (that will only give you 250bhp)[/QUOTE] 3" straight threw it is just thought it would keep the hot air flow clean rather than cooling down and tumbling, if 3" will be better that's what il get, il email them now.. Vxr injectors not efficient enough - Do you have a link to a set in mind.. This was my next purchase Also 850r ecu would get a custom map anyway otherwise it's pointless but was told the 1997 v70 ecu wasn't as good when custom mapped ??

Post 677866 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:40:00

Post 677868 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:40:20

[QUOTE=merc85;677860]I dont wana start a slanging match or go off topic , Have you researched the RT mechanics build, his 850 t5r was built and produced i believe 591bhp.[/QUOTE] Tbh mate I haven't I only just got approved for the site last night and not had time to browse as yet

Post 677869 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 21:41:21

AET Motorsport iv been told is the place to take the car for mapping so that's were it will go :)

Post 677870 by merc85 on 2014-01-05 21:42:10

[QUOTE=Harland292;677868]Tbh mate I haven't I only just got approved for the site last night and not had time to browse as yet[/QUOTE] http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?132157

Post 677871 by Jamest5r on 2014-01-05 21:42:38

[QUOTE=deathrider311271;677861]to give you an idea mate my 2.5T has just made 350bhp on stock internals, i fekkin hate all you doubters you lot did exactly the same too me when i first started, thats the reason i carried on too stick 2 fingers up too all the doubters. Its all down too the maping mate[/QUOTE] Yes it's all down to the mapping I agree totally but rt got 591 on race fuel and a budget of a little more than 2.5k :) targets have got to be realistic and as many people will say a 500bhp Volvo ain't no quicker than a 350bhp Volvo in the real world :)

Post 677872 by claymore on 2014-01-05 21:42:42

850R ecu is 4.3, you will have much better results starting with a 4.4 ecu, you need to look at probably 750cc intectors.

Post 677873 by deathrider311271 on 2014-01-05 21:43:40

[QUOTE=Harland292;677869]AET Motorsport iv been told is the place to take the car for mapping so that's were it will go :)[/QUOTE] i can vouch 110% for them guys, they just done mine

Post 677874 by merc85 on 2014-01-05 21:45:00

[QUOTE=Jamest5r;677871]Yes it's all down to the mapping I agree totally but rt got 591 on race fuel and a budget of a little more than 2.5k :) targets have got to be realistic and as many people will say a 500bhp Volvo ain't no quicker than a 350bhp Volvo in the real world :)[/QUOTE] just thought he may get a few ideas, 541 on normal fuel wasnt it?

Post 677876 by stribo on 2014-01-05 21:46:45

[QUOTE=deathrider311271;677873]i can vouch 110% for them guys, they just done mine[/QUOTE] Sorry for the thread hijack, is yours custom Simon, or off the shelf, and if so what stage?

Post 677879 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 21:52:39

[QUOTE=stribo;677876]Sorry for the thread hijack, is yours custom Simon, or off the shelf, and if so what stage?[/QUOTE] will be custom. im also going to aet to get some work done

Post 677887 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:03:22

I thought vxr ones were. 750cc what ecu does a 4.4 come from

Post 677888 by stribo on 2014-01-05 22:05:36

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677879]will be custom. im also going to aet to get some work done[/QUOTE] Just noticed his is ME7, don't think AET will custom map a 4.3 or 4.4.

Post 677891 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:12:55

Can someone link me to an engine better suited as a starting point I'm looking but tbh I don't no what at :/

Post 677893 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:13:56

[QUOTE=Harland292;677887]I thought vxr ones were. 750cc what ecu does a 4.4 come from[/QUOTE] Definitely not 750cc. 4.4 comes from 1997-1999 (but not all 1999) s/v/c70s.

Post 677895 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:20:43

[QUOTE=stribo;677888]Just noticed his is ME7, don't think AET will custom map a 4.3 or 4.4.[/QUOTE] better off going me7 anyway. take for example how well my car responds to a remap compared to pre me7. no brainer realy. simons car made very good power to and more to come if he was to go down the forged route

Post 677897 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:23:28

[QUOTE=Harland292;677887]I thought vxr ones were. 750cc what ecu does a 4.4 come from[/QUOTE] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270950915344?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 these will see 450 bhp

Post 677898 by stribo on 2014-01-05 22:24:01

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677895]better off going me7 anyway. take for example how well my car responds to a remap compared to pre me7. no brainer realy. simons car made very good power to and more to come if he was to go down the forged route[/QUOTE] I think Wobbly Dave would disagree with you. Your car has responded well, because you have supporting mods, a pre ME7 with the same mods and a remap would give the same sort of power.

Post 677899 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:26:12

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677897]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270950915344?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 these will see 450 bhp[/QUOTE] Thanks for the link :) But just to clarify my block will be ok? Or I'd be better with another, I'd rather start with a sturdy strong block before plowing money in :) just want to lay my foundations right for future mods

Post 677900 by deathrider311271 on 2014-01-05 22:26:51

[QUOTE=stribo;677876]Sorry for the thread hijack, is yours custom Simon, or off the shelf, and if so what stage?[/QUOTE] mine is a fully custom matey

Post 677901 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:27:50

[QUOTE=Harland292;677891]Can someone link me to an engine better suited as a starting point I'm looking but tbh I don't no what at :/[/QUOTE] The 2005> 2.4t5 is the easiest to tune, while the earlier 2.3s are stronger, but the strongest Volvo engine is supposed to be the older 4cylinder redblocks which are hugely strong, but would probably need a standalone ecu to get the best out of. Think it may be best to decide on how much power you really want, because if your happy with around 400bhp then the 2.4 would be cheapest option.

Post 677902 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:28:24

Is it worth starting another thread in a different section for choice of engine??

Post 677903 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:29:47

400hp would be fine given the cars going to weigh around 800kg I'm sure power to weight will play a big part

Post 677904 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:30:51

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677895]better off going me7 anyway. take for example how well my car responds to a remap compared to pre me7. no brainer realy. simons car made very good power to and more to come if he was to go down the forged route[/QUOTE] Well, my car is still on bosch 4.3 and I could get a lot more out of the engine if I could afford a better clutch and diff.

Post 677905 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:33:15

Can anyone see a 2005> 2.4t5 for sale I can't find one, or I'm overlooking the obvious Tbh long term it will run DTA stand alone management as iv used a few S40s with previous cars

Post 677907 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:34:11

I'd of thought if you shimmed the block that the 2.5 would be ok at those power levels. What car was the 2.5 from?

Post 677908 by T5RatherAmusin on 2014-01-05 22:35:45

[QUOTE=Harland292;677905]Can anyone see a 2005> 2.4t5 for sale I can't find one, or I'm overlooking the obvious[/QUOTE] you might find it easier to find a tatty explod 2.4t5 they go cheap enough...

Post 677909 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:38:23

[QUOTE=LiamT4;677907]I'd of thought if you shimmed the block that the 2.5 would be ok at those power levels. What car was the 2.5 from?[/QUOTE] 1997/8 v70

Post 677910 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:38:50

[QUOTE=Harland292;677905]Can anyone see a 2005> 2.4t5 for sale I can't find one, or I'm overlooking the obvious Tbh long term it will run DTA stand alone management as iv used a few S40s with previous cars[/QUOTE] Ok, my engine speck would be a good starting point for you, The block is a 2000 model 2.4 v70r 83mm piston type with Mahle pistons, shimmed liners sten parner h section rods with arp studs. The head is off a v70/s60 t5 2005 model with the vvt cams and the vvt deleted with blanks made. The head has the smaller valve stems and is ported and polished. It also has solid lifters and s60r head gasket. anoyingly I've just given a 2.4 block already shimmed away to the scrap man because nobody wanted it on here.

Post 677911 by Wobbly Dave on 2014-01-05 22:43:30

:stupid:

Post 677912 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:45:26

[QUOTE=stribo;677898]I think Wobbly Dave would disagree with you. Your car has responded well, because you have supporting mods, a pre ME7 with the same mods and a remap would give the same sort of power.[/QUOTE] but you cant get them mapped. they are old skool so are never going to be as good. why do you think frankie is strugling. cause he cant get his fueling sorted. even dave with the spec he has last year should of been in the low 400's. im sure hell get it this year if he gets tim to sort the mapping

Post 677913 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:46:44

[QUOTE=claymore;677904]Well, my car is still on bosch 4.3 and I could get a lot more out of the engine if I could afford a better clutch and diff.[/QUOTE] thought you had turbotuner ecu so you can map it

Post 677915 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:47:34

[QUOTE=claymore;677910]Ok, my engine speck would be a good starting point for you, The block is a 2000 model 2.4 v70r 83mm piston type with Mahle pistons, shimmed liners sten parner h section rods with arp studs. The head is off a v70/s60 t5 2005 model with the vvt cams and the vvt deleted with blanks made. The head has the smaller valve stems and is ported and polished. It also has solid lifters and s60r head gasket. anoyingly I've just given a 2.4 block already shimmed away to the scrap man because nobody wanted it on here.[/QUOTE] What he^^^^ says lol

Post 677916 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:47:54

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677912]but you cant get them mapped. they are old skool so are never going to be as good. why do you think frankie is strugling. cause he cant get his fueling sorted. even dave with the spec he has last year should of been in the low 400's. im sure hell get it this year if he gets tim to sort the mapping[/QUOTE] Why can't you get them mapped, my car is the most powerful on the forum and I mapped it myself. Also the most powerful 850 in the uk was pre-me7

Post 677917 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:48:41

Post 677918 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:48:50

if i was you. id take on board what everyone says then go and do your own reasearch as everyone beleves they have the best advise and set up. see exactly what you can afford with your budget then plan from there.

Post 677919 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:49:18

[QUOTE=claymore;677916]Why can't you get them mapped, my car is the most powerful on the forum and I mapped it myself. Also the most powerful 850 in the uk was pre-me7[/QUOTE] What hp is yours mate

Post 677920 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:49:44

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677913]thought you had turbotuner ecu so you can map it[/QUOTE] turbotuner is just a mappable 4.3 ecu

Post 677921 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:49:49

[QUOTE=Harland292;677917]Okie getting somewhere ;) Anyone know a guy called Shemtek around these forums??[/QUOTE] t5d5 you find him there. him and tim willams are suposed to be the fellows to see with t5 tuning and knolodge

Post 677922 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:49:49

[QUOTE=Harland292;677917]Okie getting somewhere ;) Anyone know a guy called Shemtek around these forums??[/QUOTE] He's on a forum called t5d5.

Post 677923 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:50:33

[QUOTE=Harland292;677919]What hp is yours mate[/QUOTE] It's held back to 435bhp, to protect the gearbox.

Post 677924 by graemewelch on 2014-01-05 22:51:07

[QUOTE=claymore;677920]turbotuner is just a mappable 4.3 ecu[/QUOTE] i know nothing about pre me7 ecept for the problem some have had on here when i comes to maping and tuning.

Post 677926 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 22:52:47

He said to take him what iv got and £2500 and he will get Tim on the head and he will make a block up from bits they have using the later lighter but stronger crank rods and pistons.. That make sense If he's well known and decent with the T5 il just send it there :)

Post 677927 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:53:38

[QUOTE=graemewelch;677924]i know nothing about pre me7 ecept for the problem some have had on here when i comes to maping and tuning.[/QUOTE] But isn't hybriduno coming up with a solution?

Post 677928 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:54:34

[QUOTE=Harland292;677926]He said to take him what iv got and £2500 and he will get Tim on the head and he will make a block up from bits they have using the later lighter but stronger crank rods and pistons.. That make sense If he's well known and decent with the T5 il just send it there :)[/QUOTE] The block I just scrapped was shimmed by Tim and I got off Shem, you won't go wrong getting an engine built by Tim.

Post 677929 by claymore on 2014-01-05 22:55:08

[QUOTE=LiamT4;677927]But isn't hybriduno coming up with a solution?[/QUOTE] Yes

Post 677930 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 22:56:59

[QUOTE=Harland292;677926]He said to take him what iv got and £2500 and he will get Tim on the head and he will make a block up from bits they have using the later lighter but stronger crank rods and pistons.. That make sense If he's well known and decent with the T5 il just send it there :)[/QUOTE] He is well known and has done many quick volvos, but it can be hard to get hold of him if you don't know him. If you can do the work yourself, i'd just copy what claymore has done but with your turbo.

Post 677933 by Harland292 on 2014-01-05 23:09:09

He knows me as the motocross man lol Seems to reply quick via pm Have my own company never get chance to sit down let alone build a car, just pay for it to get done haha

Post 677935 by LiamT4 on 2014-01-05 23:16:18

[QUOTE=Harland292;677933]He knows me as the motocross man lol Seems to reply quick via pm Have my own company never get chance to sit down let alone build a car, just pay for it to get done haha[/QUOTE] Fair enough, he's certainly got the experience to know what he's doing.

Post 678151 by Harland292 on 2014-01-06 23:39:18

Just a quick query.. Seen as this build all new I don't fancy sticking An old gt3071r on it may aswell just stay with the other car and be sold with the engine when broken as it will sell better this way. Would this turbo be any good?? http://bit.ly/1kmQbJ8 Will be running a custom manifold and downpipe anyway and with the car being spaceframe iv got a lot if room around the manifold/turbo area.. Sorry for the dum questions as you can probably tell I just pay people to build stuff for me, wish I had the time and knowledge to dig deep and build it myself

Post 678157 by Wobbly Dave on 2014-01-07 00:21:56

I bought this...

Post 678159 by stribo on 2014-01-07 00:25:43

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;678157]I bought this...[/QUOTE] Stop posting porn.

Post 678161 by Wobbly Dave on 2014-01-07 00:32:50

If not the GTX series then I'd look at the borg warner stuff, although the GT3071 does fit and has been used in other volvo applications on this very forum.