Job centre bunch of ££££e*s

Post 714913 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 15:44:36

im completly raging at the the minute. two weeks ago i signed my self of the sick with the intention of going back to work. so i made appointment at the jobcentre, guy i had my first interview with was great. he understood how the engineering sector works. i mentioned that to help me get back to work id need soem help with funding to get my welding codes back up todate. saying as ive worked all my life i didnt think it was a big ask as ive paid my bit in to the system. so i makes a apointment for two days later. sees a different guy whos tells me theres no such funding but im going to send you on a 1 week course that teaches you how to find work. apart from this last year ive never been out of work for more than two weeks since leaving school. so i gose away in a bit of a one. so i went to my local collage paid for a assement to get my codings sorted. £80 out of own pocket and was advised by the guy at the collage that there is funding. so i dose my research when i got home. yes loads of funding. so i made another apointment at the jobcentre. my 3rd visit in my 5 days. they point blank refused any funding even though i shoowed them jobs wear id get a start if i had these codings uptodate. there responce was if your not good enough to get this job youll have to get shop work. this was when i started to loose my rag. so i was having it out with two advisers then i requested i speak to the manager. so in she waddles with a attitude the size of her waist. i tried to explain my situation. she was listening but not hearing. i tried to explain that a plumber cant do his job without a gas safe cert so i can i be expected to get a welding job with out my certs being uptodate. we arent hear for carear progession she says for a bout the tenth time. at this point id lost the argument as i was so wound up by the poor attitude. so befor i left i said to them. right answer me one question. what is is the point of the jobcentre, ive come here for support and help to get back to work. ive shown you the jobs i would normaly do but need my codings uptodate. im not like 95% of people who come in and bull££££ about why they cant find a job. ive been here 3 times and five days and im getting fobbed off and spoke to like the dirt on your shoes. so i asked what is your purpose if your not helping people get back to work, why is it you throw money at low life idiots who want to life on benifits. all three just looke at me with blank looks on theres faces. none could answer. on my way out i realised i had the attention of the whole job centre and the two security gaurds that were watching from a distance. so they wont fund my codes which is a one week refresher but theyll pay for me to go to collage for a week to learn about cvs and crap. for christ sake im perfectly capable of finding work just look at my history. rant over

Post 714915 by V70 Graham on 2014-05-27 15:57:26

I'll have a Cheeseburger please.....when your qualified to flip them of course.

Post 714916 by M-R-P on 2014-05-27 16:03:35

Tossers! The company I work for will employ people without up to date codings and get them coded in the first week. There must be places like that up where you are?

Post 714917 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 16:08:03

They are the odd places but they are sweat shops and pay poor wages. All the big outfits require your own certs its looking like im going to have to stump up the money myself. 2k is a lot of money to pull out when you havnt got if. What boiling my pss is the julia my other half used to be the accountant wear im they think im doing the one week course. Its 600 for the course yet they booked me one that with blinking. Prioritys are all wrong

Post 714920 by mitchyboy01 on 2014-05-27 16:24:23

I have been in your exact same position Graeme. I needed the smallest of help like you, but was given none. i was disgusted about how i was treated. We need to stop funding bums and jobless immigration and give the real workers a helping hand. I think the EU election has shown the tide may be ready to turn.

Post 714921 by partsforvolvos.com on 2014-05-27 16:38:51

That's just stupid Graeme, especially since its a qualification you previously held , not something you are dreaming of getting.

Post 714923 by JamesT5 on 2014-05-27 16:50:52

[QUOTE=graemewelch;714913]im completly raging at the the minute. two weeks ago i signed my self of the sick with the intention of going back to work. so i made appointment at the jobcentre, guy i had my first interview with was great. he understood how the engineering sector works. i mentioned that to help me get back to work id need soem help with funding to get my welding codes back up todate. saying as ive worked all my life i didnt think it was a big ask as ive paid my bit in to the system. so i makes a apointment for two days later. sees a different guy whos tells me theres no such funding but im going to send you on a 1 week course that teaches you how to find work. apart from this last year ive never been out of work for more than two weeks since leaving school. so i gose away in a bit of a one. so i went to my local collage paid for a assement to get my codings sorted. £80 out of own pocket and was advised by the guy at the collage that there is funding. so i dose my research when i got home. yes loads of funding. so i made another apointment at the jobcentre. my 3rd visit in my 5 days. they point blank refused any funding even though i shoowed them jobs wear id get a start if i had these codings uptodate. there responce was if your not good enough to get this job youll have to get shop work. this was when i started to loose my rag. so i was having it out with two advisers then i requested i speak to the manager. so in she waddles with a attitude the size of her waist. i tried to explain my situation. she was listening but not hearing. i tried to explain that a plumber cant do his job without a gas safe cert so i can i be expected to get a welding job with out my certs being uptodate. we arent hear for carear progession she says for a bout the tenth time. at this point id lost the argument as i was so wound up by the poor attitude. so befor i left i said to them. right answer me one question. what is is the point of the jobcentre, ive come here for support and help to get back to work. ive shown you the jobs i would normaly do but need my codings uptodate. im not like 95% of people who come in and bull££££ about why they cant find a job. ive been here 3 times and five days and im getting fobbed off and spoke to like the dirt on your shoes. so i asked what is your purpose if your not helping people get back to work, why is it you throw money at low life idiots who want to life on benifits. all three just looke at me with blank looks on theres faces. none could answer. on my way out i realised i had the attention of the whole job centre and the two security gaurds that were watching from a distance. so they wont fund my codes which is a one week refresher but theyll pay for me to go to collage for a week to learn about cvs and crap. for christ sake im perfectly capable of finding work just look at my history. rant over[/QUOTE] Bloody hell Graeme, talk about a 'brain dump'..... :yikes: :duck: To overcome your problem you have to understand the issue, that's for both sides of the coin here. You see, the DWP have no idea about how things work in reality, instead they have a 'tick box' regime which means if your problem isn't solvable by using their predetermined system then they don't recognise that you have a problem. If you'd gone in with cirrhosis of the liver and told them that you were an alcoholic, they'd recognise that and give you a solution to your problem because their system recognises that problem. The people you spoke to probably have no more an idea about welding qualifications as you do about being a Heart Surgeon, so you can imagine you'll likely not get anywhere. I would speak to your local Business Links centre or a local college to see whether there are any state-funded courses available and work backwards from there.

Post 714927 by ExternalError on 2014-05-27 17:10:37

Also try writing to your local MP as this can normally get the ball rolling explain that you did your research and found that funding was available but the job centre are denying this exists

Post 714928 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 17:11:24

[QUOTE=JamesT5;714923]Bloody hell Graeme, talk about a 'brain dump'..... :yikes: :duck: To overcome your problem you have to understand the issue, that's for both sides of the coin here. You see, the DWP have no idea about how things work in reality, instead they have a 'tick box' regime which means if your problem isn't solvable by using their predetermined system then they don't recognise that you have a problem. If you'd gone in with cirrhosis of the liver and told them that you were an alcoholic, they'd recognise that and give you a solution to your problem because their system recognises that problem. The people you spoke to probably have no more an idea about welding qualifications as you do about being a Heart Surgeon, so you can imagine you'll likely not get anywhere. I would speak to your local Business Links centre or a local college to see whether there are any state-funded courses available and work backwards from there.[/QUOTE] the funding is there via the job centre but its at there discression. im there this week and without doubt theyll be trouble again. im going to offer to pay for half of the course. just this time im going to try and keep calm. easier said than done.

Post 714929 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 17:13:48

[QUOTE=JamesT5;714923]Bloody hell Graeme, talk about a 'brain dump'..... :yikes: :duck: To overcome your problem you have to understand the issue, that's for both sides of the coin here. You see, the DWP have no idea about how things work in reality, instead they have a 'tick box' regime which means if your problem isn't solvable by using their predetermined system then they don't recognise that you have a problem. If you'd gone in with cirrhosis of the liver and told them that you were an alcoholic, they'd recognise that and give you a solution to your problem because their system recognises that problem. The people you spoke to probably have no more an idea about welding qualifications as you do about being a Heart Surgeon, so you can imagine you'll likely not get anywhere. I would speak to your local Business Links centre or a local college to see whether there are any state-funded courses available and work backwards from there.[/QUOTE] the funding is there via the job centre but its at there discression. im there this week and without doubt theyll be trouble again. im going to offer to pay for half of the course. just this time im going to try and keep calm. easier said than done. i know i wont get anywear as theyprobobly have me on the system as agressive and not to help but to give hime grief

Post 714930 by M-R-P on 2014-05-27 17:13:50

[QUOTE=ExternalError;714927]Also try writing to your local MP as this can normally get the ball rolling explain that you did your research and found that funding was available but the job centre are denying this exists[/QUOTE] Good idea.

Post 714932 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 17:18:09

[QUOTE=mitchyboy01;714920]I have been in your exact same position Graeme. I needed the smallest of help like you, but was given none. i was disgusted about how i was treated. We need to stop funding bums and jobless immigration and give the real workers a helping hand. I think the EU election has shown the tide may be ready to turn.[/QUOTE] 2nd thing i would do is get out of the european union and firstly id limit the amount of time you can work in the public sector, theyve no idea of what its like in hte real world [QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;714921]That's just stupid Graeme, especially since its a qualification you previously held , not something you are dreaming of getting.[/QUOTE] exactly. they should have staff who understand all kinds of sectors. [QUOTE=ExternalError;714927]Also try writing to your local MP as this can normally get the ball rolling explain that you did your research and found that funding was available but the job centre are denying this exists[/QUOTE] ive certainly thought about it but the problem is i dont want to wait around to get a job. i can get a start at a company local to me as soon as ive sat these tests.

Post 714938 by claymore on 2014-05-27 17:42:55

Are you sure your welding is up to the job?

Post 714940 by JamesT5 on 2014-05-27 17:53:43

[QUOTE=claymore;714938]Are you sure your welding is up to the job?[/QUOTE] :hihi:

Post 714941 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 18:07:28

[QUOTE=claymore;714938]Are you sure your welding is up to the job?[/QUOTE] more than sure. payed £80 for the assement out me own pocket yes it was confirmed my welding is up to the job. ive been coded several times in pipe using various processes but the companies own the certs not me. now most companies are asking that you have your own certs. which is the reason ive asked for help with them. not unreasonable in my eyes or in most peoples eyes. theres loads of people who get these grants for various thing ie tooling. get vouchers for machinemart or a tool store. they end up selling the vouchers and continue to bluff the system im taking this as a bit of sarcasim and i hope thats how it was intended.

Post 714943 by claymore on 2014-05-27 18:10:57

[QUOTE=graemewelch;714941]more than sure. payed £80 for the assement out me own pocket yes it was confirmed my welding is up to the job. ive been coded several times in pipe using various processes but the companies own the certs not me. now most companies are asking that you have your own certs. which is the reason ive asked for help with them. not unreasonable in my eyes or in most peoples eyes. theres loads of people who get these grants for various thing ie tooling. get vouchers for machinemart or a tool store. they end up selling the vouchers and continue to bluff the system im taking this as a bit of sarcasim and i hope thats how it was intended.[/QUOTE] Lol, of course it is, we all know the quality of your welding is absolutely top notch mate.

Post 714945 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 18:12:19

[QUOTE=claymore;714943]Lol, of course it is, we all know the quality of your welding is absolutely top notch mate.[/QUOTE] just checking lol.

Post 714950 by ExternalError on 2014-05-27 18:26:35

Just bang an email off to your mp it cant hurt also ive spoke with a family member who works in benefits and they said the reason the funding isnt available is because you have only been claiming jsa for 2 weeks and that isnt long enough to qualify for funding, you would of been better off staying on the sickness benefit and asking about retraining while on the that, they said its stupid but its how it is because they are treated as 2 differeng things and because you switched over to jsa it closed doors to funding that would have been available on sickness benefit

Post 714956 by stribo on 2014-05-27 18:31:01

[QUOTE=ExternalError;714950]Just bang an email off to your mp it cant hurt also ive spoke with a family member who works in benefits and they said the reason the funding isnt available is because you have only been claiming jsa for 2 weeks and that isnt long enough to qualify for funding, you would of been better off staying on the sickness benefit and asking about retraining while on the that, they said its stupid but its how it is because they are treated as 2 differeng things and because you switched over to jsa it closed doors to funding that would have been available on sickness benefit[/QUOTE] As I believe you have to be claiming for a minimum of 6 months, which is plain crazy, why pay 6 months benefits, then give you the funding, when they could give you the funding now, and get you straight back into work. Unfortunately the system isn't designed for honest hardworking people.:wallbash:

Post 714957 by V70 Graham on 2014-05-27 18:32:52

Maybe get in contact with the solicitors handling your claim, surely they'd rather fork out for the codings than have you 'unable to work' which will cost them more I'm sure.

Post 714959 by jamesy12345 on 2014-05-27 18:34:42

Hope you feel better for all that! I usually do after venting off a bit. What a bunch of tools I used to work for/with these companies and decent welders were always in short supply: http://hfg.heerema.com/content/careers/vacancies/ http://www.qimtek.co.uk/profile/hallcalm_uk_ltd-UKAAWWUK3996.html http://www.pipetawselimited.co.uk/vacancies/ Not sure if Hallcalm is still on the go, used to be in Peterlee then moved to Hartlepool I might still know a few guys there if I ask around, if you are stuck give me a shout I'lll help if I can. When you say codings what do you mean - 6GR and all that?

Post 714979 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 19:00:26

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;714957]Maybe get in contact with the solicitors handling your claim, surely they'd rather fork out for the codings than have you 'unable to work' which will cost them more I'm sure.[/QUOTE] i get the impression my solicitor dosnt want me to return to work. Ive got another meeting with him in a few weeks time so ill have a lot to clear up with him

Post 714980 by graemewelch on 2014-05-27 19:02:41

[QUOTE=jamesy12345;714959]Hope you feel better for all that! I usually do after venting off a bit. What a bunch of tools I used to work for/with these companies and decent welders were always in short supply: http://hfg.heerema.com/content/careers/vacancies/ http://www.qimtek.co.uk/profile/hallcalm_uk_ltd-UKAAWWUK3996.html http://www.pipetawselimited.co.uk/vacancies/ Not sure if Hallcalm is still on the go, used to be in Peterlee then moved to Hartlepool I might still know a few guys there if I ask around, if you are stuck give me a shout I'lll help if I can. When you say codings what do you mean - 6GR and all that?[/QUOTE] Its me plan to get into herema. Got a few mates who work there and there desperate for welders. They take me on as soon as ive done me asme 6g or 6gr. Ill check those links out to

Post 714991 by JamesT5 on 2014-05-27 19:20:22

[QUOTE=graemewelch;714941]more than sure. payed £80 for the assement out me own pocket yes it was confirmed my welding is up to the job. ive been coded several times in pipe using various processes but the companies own the certs not me. now most companies are asking that you have your own certs. which is the reason ive asked for help with them. not unreasonable in my eyes or in most peoples eyes. theres loads of people who get these grants for various thing ie tooling. get vouchers for machinemart or a tool store. they end up selling the vouchers and continue to bluff the system im taking this as a bit of sarcasim and i hope thats how it was intended.[/QUOTE] Colin was being sarcastic Graeme, even I could see that!

Post 714995 by jamesy12345 on 2014-05-27 19:23:55

[QUOTE=graemewelch;714980]Its me plan to get into herema. Got a few mates who work there and there desperate for welders. They take me on as soon as ive done me asme 6g or 6gr. Ill check those links out to[/QUOTE] I worked there for 7 long years a while ago! But yeah as far as I know they are always looking for decent welders. Pipetawse do work for them when they are busy. I'm lost now (& drunk) why can't you get the coding? You obviously have the skills from what I've seen