Number plate fine?
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Post 728760 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 11:12:51
Yesterday we took our 10month old daughter for her first trip to the seaside, and between Ingoldmells and Skegness we were waved into a pull in by the local Feds for having illegally spaced number plates. Now I'm not denying that they are illegally spaced and I'm lucky to have got away with them spaced like that for the last 3 years without being stopped previously, but I did think that the £100 fine was a bit hefty. I've been looking around on the net and it seems that £60 is the most common fine received for plates not complying, can anyone clarify this, or has anyone been pulled for the same thing?
Post 728762 by BIG G on 2014-08-10 11:25:40
Just one of those things i suppose! They prob had ££££ all else todo.
Post 728764 by JamesT5 on 2014-08-10 11:30:11
Once thing that really annoys me are plates that are incorrectly spaced. People do it to make words out of the plate lettering and arrange it to read in a certain way, but this is one of my pet hates.
The bottom line, is that number plates should be correctly spaced and made from the correct materials. A genuine number plate maker will make plates to the right specifications, if they don't they are also breaking the law.
I have no sympathy for anyone who get's fined or stopped by the Police for having an incorrectly formatted number plate, you chose to have them like that so it's your risk. I think the £100 reasonable and hopefully an effective deterrent against this sort of thing.
Post 728765 by t5 pete on 2014-08-10 11:35:06
Holy ££££ james your spot on mucho agreement
Post 728766 by Nealevo on 2014-08-10 11:37:42
The law changed last year regarding fines, all defects are now in the £100 band, number plates, tyres, no tax, lane discipline and seat belts. You were unlucky and it seems harsh but they are slowly clamping down. Take it as a warning, because if you get caught 3 times the courts render the number plate an offence and you have to apply for a new reg at great cost.
Post 728767 by merc85 on 2014-08-10 11:39:40
Think they are cracking down on it due to Tax Disc's being obsolete, one of the guys on the MB forum was tugged day before you for the same thing. :/
Post 728768 by JUDGENINJA on 2014-08-10 11:42:46
I think all fines are now £100. Beware, they also report the mis-spacing to the DVLA who may stop you from transferring the plate in the future. My parents have KIW 1100 and KIW 1104. They used to be spaced KIWI 100 and 104 until they were stopped and warned.
When they tried to transfer them the DVLA objected until They showed evidence that the plate had been used correctly.
Some days I find this to be very petty of the government, then some days I can understand as it is the legal marking of a vehicle used in public. With the number of ANPR cameras I'm surprised that there aren't more letters sent out when the system fails to read the plate correctly. They'd make £1000's on the way into TRAX!!
Post 728769 by jamesy12345 on 2014-08-10 11:47:22
Why not just a producer & 7 days to fix
Not as if its a safety issue
Post 728770 by stephenevans99 on 2014-08-10 11:49:34
Incorrectly spaced number plates look CHAV anyway.....pmsl
Post 728771 by JamesT5 on 2014-08-10 11:49:35
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;728769]Why not just a producer & 7 days to fix
Not as if its a safety issue[/QUOTE]
Because that's not an effective deterrent against the problem. A fine hits your pocket far more, a producer and 7 days will mean a lot more people will risk it because they know at most, it will cost them about a tenner per plate to re-do.
Post 728772 by JamesT5 on 2014-08-10 11:50:10
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;728770]Incorrectly spaced number plates look CHAV anyway.....pmsl[/QUOTE]
Yes, you're right there Steve!
Post 728773 by jamesy12345 on 2014-08-10 11:56:48
[QUOTE=JamesT5;728771]Because that's not an effective deterrent against the problem. A fine hits your pocket far more, a producer and 7 days will mean a lot more people will risk it because they know at most, it will cost them about a tenner per plate to re-do.[/QUOTE]
it just seems like a money grab to me. It won't hit my pocket as I wouldn't bother with a fancy plate (I like the history of the car to be on the plate).
or overly harsh for reasons of anarchy prevention - look at sentences for armed robbery compared to murder..
Post 728775 by p fandango on 2014-08-10 12:12:06
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;728770]Incorrectly spaced number plates look CHAV anyway.....pmsl[/QUOTE]
That's why I always buy ones that still mean something when spaced properly :)
Post 728776 by stribo on 2014-08-10 12:21:26
My C70 failed it's M.O.T., on amongst other things the number plates, because the lettering was 3D effect, and apparently since April all lettering has to be solid black. :slap:
Post 728777 by stephenevans99 on 2014-08-10 12:21:50
It's about time they clamped down on these motorzippers knocking around with number plates the size of post-it notes on the back.
Post 728778 by stephenevans99 on 2014-08-10 12:23:42
Getting number plates is a PITA these days too......unless you have your own machine lol
Post 728780 by Sharkey R on 2014-08-10 12:41:50
Having been on the wrong side of the law in the past with regards to number plates I agree that some plates should be an obvious pull, using caps to change letters etc but as far as I'm concerned I think if an ANPR camera reads the plate correctly then there should be no problem. I've had my plates like they are for the last 4 years and not been tugged (touch wood). Mine reads as it should on ANPR as I've seen it on a petrol station monitor behind the counter.
My Supra had the registration L60 PRA. With incorrect spacing and cleverly placed caps it basically read L SUPRA so as you can imagine it was an obvious pull.
Post 728781 by Sharkey R on 2014-08-10 12:43:17
[QUOTE=cookiec70;728760]Yesterday we took our 10month old daughter for her first trip to the seaside, and between Ingoldmells and Skegness we were waved into a pull in by the local Feds for having illegally spaced number plates. Now I'm not denying that they are illegally spaced and I'm lucky to have got away with them spaced like that for the last 3 years without being stopped previously, but I did think that the £100 fine was a bit hefty. I've been looking around on the net and it seems that £60 is the most common fine received for plates not complying, can anyone clarify this, or has anyone been pulled for the same thing?[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity how are your plates laid out?
Post 728782 by Sharkey R on 2014-08-10 12:48:34
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;728770]Incorrectly spaced number plates look CHAV anyway.....pmsl[/QUOTE]
I best put a Burberry background on my plates then!
Post 728815 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 15:41:28
[QUOTE=Sharkey R;728781]Out of curiosity how are your plates laid out?[/QUOTE]
Sharkey R, they are laid out as "C10OK U" when obviously it should be "C10 OKU"
They are printed in the correct font and in the correct size, it's just the space is in the wrong place.
Post 728816 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 15:43:00
[QUOTE=BIG G;728762]Just one of those things i suppose! They prob had fuk all else todo.[/QUOTE]
Big G yes they were all out in force, he was a Grantham copper who gave me the ticket so they'd obviously traveled to Skegness knowing that it was going to be rammed!
Post 728820 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 15:44:55
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;728770]Incorrectly spaced number plates look CHAV anyway.....pmsl[/QUOTE]
And using slang like "pmsl" isn't chavvy? Are you actually pissing yourself laughing? If so I'd get to the doctors
Post 728825 by MIKESC70T5 on 2014-08-10 15:51:52
[QUOTE=cookiec70;728815]Sharkey R, they are laid out as "C10OK U" when obviously it should be "C10 OKU"
They are printed in the correct font and in the correct size, it's just the space is in the wrong place.[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one who thinks C10 OKU actually looks better than C10OK U. What does C10OK U meant to mean?
Post 728827 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 15:56:33
[QUOTE=MIKESC70T5;728825]Am I the only one who thinks C10 OKU actually looks better than C10OK U. What does C10OK U meant to mean?[/QUOTE]
My surnames Cook, and yes I am aware that there is a 1 in the way
Post 728838 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 16:57:09
My plates are spaced correctly but they are far from legal, I have the Volvo emblem on the left hand side and this forums address printed in the middle.
Has everyone notified the insurance of there Bush upgrades ? How much people also have illegally tinted front windows on there cars?
I also own S6 0RU, I probably would have spaced it S60R U.
I do think a fine straight off is harsh, I know if I got pulled I would have them straight off and changed.
Post 728843 by stephenevans99 on 2014-08-10 17:03:29
The trick is to keep a correctly spaced pair of number plates in the boot, when you get pulled you sincerely apologise to the Officer and explain that you've just purchased a new set and are on the way home to get them fitted.... :) could possibly save you the £100 fine
Post 728844 by t5 pete on 2014-08-10 17:03:42
The problem is people all ready know its illegal and still have it done so no a telling off most likely wont make most people go and correct it but a fine will certainly make most people do it as they wont like paying out like the op of this thread.
as for modding car I bet most dont tell the insurance and they run the risk of invalid insurance and even jail time depending on situation im sure many years ago some one from this site went to jail after having a smash i dont know the full story why tho.
always be honnest it may cost more in the short term but can save hell of alot in the long run.
Post 728849 by V70 Graham on 2014-08-10 17:07:56
[QUOTE=stribo;728776]My C70 failed it's M.O.T., on amongst other things the number plates, because the lettering was 3D effect, and apparently since April all lettering has to be solid black. :slap:[/QUOTE]
Are you sure mate ? Anne's is due for it's mot in a couple of weeks and the tester (when I had mine done) said it wouldn't be a problem.
Post 728850 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:12:56
[QUOTE=t5 pete;728844]The problem is people all ready know its illegal and still have it done so no a telling off most likely wont make most people go and correct it but a fine will certainly make most people do it as they wont like paying out like the op of this thread.
as for modding car I bet most dont tell the insurance and they run the risk of invalid insurance and even jail time depending on situation im sure many years ago some one from this site went to jail after having a smash i dont know the full story why tho.
always be honnest it may cost more in the short term but can save hell of alot in the long run.[/QUOTE]
You may be rite but I would have thought, if they pulled you, you would need to change them and then go to a local police station and prove it within 7 days... And if you don't you are sent a fine? I don't know if that's how producer's work I've never had one.
It's not worth the risk not telling the insurance.
Keeping plates in the boot, excellent idea haha, I don't think they would be anymore lenient on you though :)
Post 728851 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:14:56
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;728849]Are you sure mate ? Anne's is due for it's mot in a couple of weeks and the tester (when I had mine done) said it wouldn't be a problem.[/QUOTE]
Every tester is different, I found out my plates are illegal on the R due to being 3D It wasn't at the time I made them, but my tester just puts it through.
Post 728854 by jamesy12345 on 2014-08-10 17:17:04
[QUOTE=MIKESC70T5;728825]Am I the only one who thinks C10 OKU actually looks better than C10OK U. What does C10OK U meant to mean?[/QUOTE]
COOK U was quite funny I thought. Obviously the guys who fined you failed to see the funny side on this occasion
Post 728855 by jamesy12345 on 2014-08-10 17:24:00
[QUOTE=volvokid;728850]You may be rite but I would have thought, if they pulled you, you would need to change them and then go to a local police station and prove it within 7 days... And if you don't you are sent a fine? I don't know if that's how producer's work I've never had one.
It's not worth the risk not telling the insurance.
Keeping plates in the boot, excellent idea haha, I don't think they would be anymore lenient on you though :)[/QUOTE]
That was my meaning, but thinking about it that is a Common Sense approach therefore more expensive - any profit from the 100 quid fine would be gobbled up in paperwork expenses
Post 728860 by Jimmie on 2014-08-10 17:31:19
I remember a couple of years ago a guy I know got stopped for not have the correct post code etc on the bottom .
He waited until they gave him the ticket then he pointed out there car didn't have the code either.
They took the ticket back from him and was told to forget about it. Next morning there was a few police vehicle down at the guy that made the plates getting then changed over.
The moral of the story is the police are as guilty as any one of breaking ANY laws!!
Post 728861 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:33:11
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;728855]That was my meaning, but thinking about it that is a Common Sense approach therefore more expensive - any profit from the 100 quid fine would be gobbled up in paperwork expenses[/QUOTE]
I knew that's what you ment. Does the same go for having a number plate bulb out now? If it does surely to sweet mother of hell people can't think a £100 fine is justified for that?!
Post 728862 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:35:19
[QUOTE=Jimmie;728860]I remember a couple of years ago a guy I know got stopped for not have the correct post code etc on the bottom .
He waited until they gave him the ticket then he pointed out there car didn't have the code either.
They took the ticket back from him and was told to forget about it. Next morning there was a few police vehicle down at the guy that made the plates getting then changed over.
The moral of the story is the police are as guilty as any one of breaking ANY laws!![/QUOTE]
How many police cars do you see with headlights out? It does happen.
Is that story not similar to the boy that got pulled over in his brand new merc for the same reason?
Post 728863 by p fandango on 2014-08-10 17:35:39
years ago my bro chased a cop car, overtook them & got them to stop & pointed out to them their'd got a headlight bulb out
Post 728864 by stribo on 2014-08-10 17:36:39
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;728849]Are you sure mate ? Anne's is due for it's mot in a couple of weeks and the tester (when I had mine done) said it wouldn't be a problem.[/QUOTE]
Am I sure it failed on them, yes it was listed on the failure sheet, however, I've just checked the GOV.UK website, and it says they can be 3D. https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/rules-number-plates
Post 728865 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:37:52
[QUOTE=p fandango;728863]years ago my bro chased a cop car, overtook them & got them to stop & pointed out to them their'd got a headlight bulb out[/QUOTE]
That's the funniest thing I will read all day.
Oh and dad here is an encrypted msg for you, think about my C70 ha ha , I wish I could say on here :)
Post 728867 by cookiec70 on 2014-08-10 17:41:04
[QUOTE=Nealevo;728766]The law changed last year regarding fines, all defects are now in the £100 band, number plates, tyres, no tax, lane discipline and seat belts. You were unlucky and it seems harsh but they are slowly clamping down. Take it as a warning, because if you get caught 3 times the courts render the number plate an offence and you have to apply for a new reg at great cost.[/QUOTE]
Well that seems to make sense mate, thanks for that! I had a speeding fine back in 2010 but that was only a £60 fine, but then I guess the 3 points make up for the rest, by far!
Post 728868 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:41:10
[QUOTE=stribo;728864]Am I sure it failed on them, yes it was listed on the failure sheet, however, I've just checked the GOV.UK website, and it says they can be 3D. https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/rules-number-plates[/QUOTE]
You going to go back? I was told by a traffic cop it is illegal, everyone makes mistakes even the police, that's why when I was younger and got pulled over I debated the reason with them, they ticketed me, I got a phone call 30 minutes later apologising and telling me to rip it up! UN heard of but it does happen :)
Post 728870 by Jimmie on 2014-08-10 17:46:43
[QUOTE=volvokid;728862]How many police cars do you see with headlights out? It does happen.
Is that story not similar to the boy that got pulled over in his brand new merc for the same reason?[/QUOTE]
Yes the guy got a ticket and the garage had to sort it out with the police.
Post 728871 by stribo on 2014-08-10 17:47:46
[QUOTE=volvokid;728868]You going to go back? I was told by a traffic cop it is illegal, everyone makes mistakes even the police, that's why when I was younger and got pulled over I debated the reason with them, they ticketed me, I got a phone call 30 minutes later apologising and telling me to rip it up! UN heard of but it does happen :)[/QUOTE]
I'm taking the Focus there tomorrow strangely enough, so yeah, I'll be having words, as I've bought new number plates I didn't need. :wallbash:
Post 728872 by volvokid on 2014-08-10 17:50:26
Will he admit his fault? I bet not :)
Post 728873 by stribo on 2014-08-10 17:53:59
[QUOTE=volvokid;728872]Will he admit his fault? I bet not :)[/QUOTE]
I've printed the relevant information off, so he won't have a choice. :D
Post 728874 by Harvey on 2014-08-10 17:54:24
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;728843]The trick is to keep a correctly spaced pair of number plates in the boot, when you get pulled you sincerely apologise to the Officer and explain that you've just purchased a new set and are on the way home to get them fitted.... :) could possibly save you the £100 fine[/QUOTE]
Funny you say that ,got a set in the boot with a screwdriver ready to go.
Post 728875 by p fandango on 2014-08-10 18:02:08
[QUOTE=p fandango;728863]years ago my bro chased a cop car, overtook them & got them to stop & pointed out to them their'd got a headlight bulb out[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=volvokid;728865]That's the funniest thing I will read all day.[/QUOTE]
it was back in the days when we used to meet up at McDonalds on a Sunday evening, they did the usual drive-thru just to keep an eye on us. My bro jumped in his Nova, overtook them & handbrake turned to stop/block them. He got out & tapped on the window, the 2 WPC's inside were bricking it not knowing what was going on & wound down the window an inch. He told them about the headlight out & they said they know about it, so my bro "advised" them that they should get back to the station & get the issue fixed lol
Post 728882 by t5 pete on 2014-08-10 18:16:34
[QUOTE=p fandango;728875]it was back in the days when we used to meet up at McDonalds on a Sunday evening, they did the usual drive-thru just to keep an eye on us. My bro jumped in his Nova, overtook them & handbrake turned to stop/block them. He got out & tapped on the window, the 2 WPC's inside were bricking it not knowing what was going on & wound down the window an inch. He told them about the headlight out & they said they know about it, so my bro "advised" them that they should get back to the station & get the issue fixed lol[/QUOTE]
Did he get done for dangerous driving, pulling a handbrake turn in front of a police car to stop them driving or from moving.
Post 728898 by p fandango on 2014-08-10 19:54:21
[QUOTE=t5 pete;728882]Did he get done for dangerous driving, pulling a handbrake turn in front of a police car to stop them driving or from moving.[/QUOTE]
no, think they were too in shock to know what was going on
Post 728909 by MIKESC70T5 on 2014-08-10 21:26:55
[QUOTE=p fandango;728875]it was back in the days when we used to meet up at McDonalds on a Sunday evening, they did the usual drive-thru just to keep an eye on us. My bro jumped in his Nova, overtook them & handbrake turned to stop/block them. He got out & tapped on the window, the 2 WPC's inside were bricking it not knowing what was going on & wound down the window an inch. He told them about the headlight out & they said they know about it, so my bro "advised" them that they should get back to the station & get the issue fixed lol[/QUOTE]
The image of you I now have is a backward wearing baseball cap, jeans hanging off your hips, gold chains round your neck, finishing every sentence with 'init' yo bro innit lol.
