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Post 742164 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-10-14 13:06:09

Some of you may have picked up in the past that I'm a little "delicate" about misuse of the term "OCD" and misunderstanding of what it is. I spend a lot of time on car forums and I see references to OCD made a lot within these circles (whether or not it permeates other cultures quite so much, I've no idea, but probably does). It seems to have been b******ised to mean things like Obsessive Cleaning Disease or Obsessive Car Detailer etc :doh: And if you say something like "oh, I'm so OCD about.." there's a fair chance you'll feel my wrath :duck: The reason it irks me is two fold. 1, my wife has OCD, so it's personal to me. 2, I can't stand stupid people, and when I see people talk about OCD in the wrong context it makes them seem stupid. Often the people doing this aren't stupid, they just aren't informed. If you have a few minutes and fancy getting informed, the following might just be of interest (it's very digestible, and addresses some common misconceptions within 1 or 2 minutes easy reading). OCD Awareness Week - That's OCD If you've read this far and followed the link, thanks :) If you would rather carry on misusing the term OCD in flippant comments, you are free to do so, but bear in mind that you will look a bit of a fud in doing so :doh:

Post 742166 by stribo on 2014-10-14 13:11:47

[QUOTE=Gold 'N' Brown;742164]Some of you may have picked up in the past that I'm a little "delicate" about misuse of the term "OCD" and misunderstanding of what it is. I spend a lot of time on car forums and I see references to OCD made a lot within these circles (whether or not it permeates other cultures quite so much, I've no idea, but probably does). It seems to have been b******ised to mean things like Obsessive Cleaning Disease or Obsessive Car Detailer etc :doh: And if you say something like "oh, I'm so OCD about.." there's a fair chance you'll feel my wrath :duck: The reason it irks me is two fold. 1, my wife has OCD, so it's personal to me. 2, I can't stand stupid people, and when I see people talk about OCD in the wrong context it makes them seem stupid. Often the people doing this aren't stupid, they just aren't informed. If you have a few minutes and fancy getting informed, the following might just be of interest (it's very digestible, and addresses some common misconceptions within 1 or 2 minutes easy reading). OCD Awareness Week - That's OCD If you've read this far and followed the link, thanks :) If you would rather carry on misusing the term OCD in flippant comments, you are free to do so, but bear in mind that you will look a bit of a fud in doing so :doh:[/QUOTE] So, in future would you prefer anal? :hilarious

Post 742168 by stephenevans99 on 2014-10-14 13:20:37

Thanks for the warning..... :cuckoo:

Post 742170 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-10-14 13:34:25

[QUOTE=stribo;742166]So, in future would you prefer anal? :hilarious[/QUOTE] Is that an offer, or do you save it for MRP :sheep: [QUOTE=stephenevans99;742168]Thanks for the warning..... :cuckoo:[/QUOTE] Glad you appreciated it? What is it you find cuckoo, the fact that I bothered to post this? It's a bug-bear and I'm venting. Call it me playing a very small part in trying to move the balance amongst the car enthusiast community. Wasn't it your son Stephen, that got in the papers for his campaign against dog fouling (apologies if I've confused you with another member)? A commendable thing to do I might add. Lets just say my motivation for posting this could be somewhat similar. Do you still think it's cuckoo?

Post 742173 by stephenevans99 on 2014-10-14 13:42:16

I just think you've raised an issue that didn't really need addressing on the forum. I've never noticed the term being overly mis-used that would cause concern in my limited view.

Post 742179 by M-R-P on 2014-10-14 13:55:32

OCD "having a fit" Hyperactive Mental Retarded There's lots of conditions that are used lightly to describe the slightly eccentric actions of others. Weather it's down to stupidity or otherwise, it's meant as nothing other than a (sometimes) comical statement. Do the people who use such terms have a vendetta against the people who actually have these afflictions? of course not. As much as I respect your point of view and your efforts to enlighten others to the true nature of OCD, I doubt you'll make the slightest difference. OCD isn't easy to live with, nor is Asperges, ADHD, Depression, Epilepsy, schizophrenia and a whole host of other conditions but although it's morally wrong to make fun of sufferers, the use of fleeting comparisons is unavoidable in modern life. Oh - and what was the :sheep: about then? Not a good way to make friends dude.

Post 742181 by merc85 on 2014-10-14 14:11:59

My Mother in Law suffers from OCD, very badly she sleeps most of the time due to her meds, It's had a big impact on her side of the family and effected my side for eg my wifes relationship with her. Perhaps ive thick skin but using the "OCD" phrase occasionally doesn't upset me in the slightness as i relise wen peeps do say it they are not meaning any harm.

Post 742183 by cherry1809 on 2014-10-14 14:29:59

I have it mildly. If some things aren't done a certain way in a certain order, it bugs the sh*t out of me for the rest of the day. Or I start again until I'm happy. Other than that mines actually CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order :D

Post 742185 by Saaamon on 2014-10-14 14:34:58

Clutching and straws...

Post 742187 by Nealevo on 2014-10-14 15:22:47

another waste of

Post 742189 by t5 pete on 2014-10-14 15:26:08

Your so ott I am very sorry about your Wife but if you don't like something like this then it's tough ££££ that's life im afraid and if some one wishes to use the term ocd regarding cleaning their car it is their right to do so.

Post 742204 by stephenevans99 on 2014-10-14 16:24:45

No disrespect to anybody who's afflicted by OCD, but I found this quite funny: [video=youtube;tnzz-eFmKaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnzz-eFmKaw[/video] I laughed at this, just as I laughed at the Tourettes video posted on another thread......if you can raise awareness by raising a smile - you're on a winner I say.

Post 742289 by jamesy12345 on 2014-10-14 20:06:17

[QUOTE=Gold 'N' Brown;742164]Some of you may have picked up in the past that I'm a little "delicate" about misuse of the term "OCD" and misunderstanding of what it is. I spend a lot of time on car forums and I see references to OCD made a lot within these circles (whether or not it permeates other cultures quite so much, I've no idea, but probably does). It seems to have been b******ised to mean things like Obsessive Cleaning Disease or Obsessive Car Detailer etc :doh: And if you say something like "oh, I'm so OCD about.." there's a fair chance you'll feel my wrath :duck: The reason it irks me is two fold. 1, my wife has OCD, so it's personal to me. 2, I can't stand stupid people, and when I see people talk about OCD in the wrong context it makes them seem stupid. Often the people doing this aren't stupid, they just aren't informed. If you have a few minutes and fancy getting informed, the following might just be of interest (it's very digestible, and addresses some common misconceptions within 1 or 2 minutes easy reading). OCD Awareness Week - That's OCD If you've read this far and followed the link, thanks :) If you would rather carry on misusing the term OCD in flippant comments, you are free to do so, but bear in mind that you will look a bit of a fud in doing so :doh:[/QUOTE] Read the post, watched the video, awareness raised, thanks First step of coping with a mental health problem (I hate the word 'issue') is admitting there is a problem, so going by the ££££e that has been posted recently it's hardly fair to complain about posting something useful that might strike a chord with someone, somewhere In fact I support posting anything that crosses ones mind but then I don't pay the bills FREEEEEDOM!!!!! even though I don't like Mel Gibson either cos he tells porky pies

Post 742295 by jamesy12345 on 2014-10-14 20:13:38

[QUOTE=stephenevans99;742204]No disrespect to anybody who's afflicted by OCD, but I found this quite funny: [video=youtube;tnzz-eFmKaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnzz-eFmKaw[/video] I laughed at this, just as I laughed at the Tourettes video posted on another thread......if you can raise awareness by raising a smile - you're on a winner I say.[/QUOTE] would love him to be working for me, he'd make a good grafter! Consistent

Post 742353 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-10-14 23:41:03

Well I've not really been that surprised by the quality of replies so far. VPC is nothing if not consistent :B_thumb: I've taken the time to reply to most of you, though I expect that given the amount of text below, most won't bother to read through it. Never mind though eh. Oh, and by the way (for those who haven't connected the dots) it's OCD Awareness Week, which was one of the things that prompted this topic in the first place. [QUOTE=stephenevans99;742173]I just think you've raised an issue that didn't really need addressing on the forum. I've never noticed the term being overly mis-used that would cause concern in my limited view.[/QUOTE] Firstly, let's put this in to perspective. It's the banter bar (perhaps I've committed the cardinal sin of posting something that's a bit too serious) so anything should go (within forum rules). I'm hardly raising it as an issue, I'm just vocalising something that has become - over time - one of life's stupid little irritations. See how people get so worked up over a certain member on here? Their reaction to that member's comments is how I feel sometimes about people misusing OCD. I actually shouldn't be bothered by it, it's very petty, but such is life :wallbash: [QUOTE=M-R-P;742179]OCD There's lots of conditions that are used lightly to describe the slightly eccentric actions of others. Weather it's down to stupidity or otherwise, it's meant as nothing other than a (sometimes) comical statement. Oh - and what was the :sheep: about then? Not a good way to make friends dude.[/QUOTE] Martin, I've chopped out most of your reply to save space. Thanks for the sensible and intelligent point of view :) And of course you are right, we all make light hearted comments that can be taken the wrong way by other people. I know my opening post was a bit acerberic, but in all honesty I don't expect people to not use the term just because I said so, and it's not as if I'm offended, upset or annoyed by it! It's an irritation, something that's got under my skin and makes me cringe. I suppose if OCD wasn't something close to me then none of this would be an irritation, and in fact maybe I'd be one of those people claiming I'm "a bit OCD" just because I like the dishwasher to be stacked in a certain way :B_blite: As for :sheep: I'm sorry, no offence meant. It was a tongue in cheek reply because I could see the intended humour in Stribo's comment and wanted to show that his comment was taken as intended, and since you two seem to have such a close relationship (and in fact quite recently joked about a bit of bum fun), you were the obvious fall guy. I would like to think judging by your VPC persona that you weren't really offended, but if you were, then I'm sincerely sorry dude! :ashamed: [QUOTE=merc85;742181]My Mother in Law suffers from OCD, very badly she sleeps most of the time due to her meds, It's had a big impact on her side of the family and effected my side for eg my wifes relationship with her. Perhaps ive thick skin but using the "OCD" phrase occasionally doesn't upset me in the slightness as i relise wen peeps do say it they are not meaning any harm.[/QUOTE] Sorry to hear that. It's hard work at times, eh? (But nothing compared to what they go through). I too realise that no harm is meant (I hope I'm making it clear by now). I think most of us are thick skinned to most things and then have those few topics that are really quite trivial but just bug us. This is just one of those things for me. [QUOTE=cherry1809;742183]I have it mildly. If some things aren't done a certain way in a certain order, it bugs the sh*t out of me for the rest of the day. Or I start again until I'm happy. Other than that mines actually CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order :D[/QUOTE] Er, not quite sure how to take that :confused: Have you had a professional diagnosis? If you do actually have a form of OCD, then I feel for you. I'm very pernickity about certain things too (bet nobody guessed! :B_blite:) and get really bothered if certain things aren't done a certain way, but that's a personality trait, not a disorder. [QUOTE=Saaamon;742185]Clutching at straws...[/QUOTE] I corrected that for you. You're welcome :B_thumb: [QUOTE=Nealevo;742187]another waste of[/QUOTE] ...16 keyboard hits, by my count. Next time hit the delete key, it's a much quicker way of going back a page, and will save you the effort of typing. Again, you're welcome :B_thumb: [QUOTE=t5 pete;742189]Your so ott I am very sorry about your Wife but if you don't like something like this then it's tough ££££ that's life im afraid and if some one wishes to use the term ocd regarding cleaning their car it is their right to do so.[/QUOTE] Cheers. So you are one of "them" I guess. You are of course right. Freedom of speech and all that. If I've changed one person's view, made them think differently about the context of using the term, or if they've learned something from the link I posted, then it's been beneficial. There were always going to be those who would rather just be a ££££ about it, and that was to be expected. Thanks though :kiss: [QUOTE=jamesy12345;742289]Read the post, watched the video, awareness raised, thanks First step of coping with a mental health problem (I hate the word 'issue') is admitting there is a problem, so going by the ££££e that has been posted recently it's hardly fair to complain about posting something useful that might strike a chord with someone, somewhere In fact I support posting anything that crosses ones mind but then I don't pay the bills FREEEEEDOM!!!!! even though I don't like Mel Gibson either cos he tells porky pies[/QUOTE] Thanks. Glad somebody took something from my post, even if it was a bit snottily worded :B_blite:

Post 742359 by stribo on 2014-10-15 00:33:14

TBF mate the :sheep: was a bit too close to home for Martin, because we have bummed each other, but his wife doesn't know...........................yet. ;)

Post 742382 by M-R-P on 2014-10-15 08:36:25

A firmly respectable reply to my reply G.B. Among other things, I have ADHD and if I was to post about things that get my back up... Let's just say my post count would be quite a bit higher lol. Considering the amount of pointless drivel I've seen on the forums over the last few months, it's good to see a useful post and a link to some potentially useful information. Many people have conditions that confuse others and harm social confidence and being able to spot when someone's not just being weird, but is just trying to get through life, can't be a bad thing. It was 3 months after I got together with Mrs. M-R-P before she plucked up the courage to tell me she was 70% deaf in both ears.

Post 742389 by cherry1809 on 2014-10-15 09:12:45

I haven't been diagnosed no, as I don't feel it gets in the way too much. Something as simple as having to start indicating off the motorway at exactly the right time though winds some people up.

Post 742393 by stephenevans99 on 2014-10-15 09:39:01

[QUOTE=cherry1809;742389]I haven't been diagnosed no, as I don't feel it gets in the way too much. Something as simple as having to start indicating off the motorway at exactly the right time though winds some people up.[/QUOTE] I find myself straightening the leaflets when in the queue at the Bank, I make sure that all my notes in my wallet have the Queens face pointing the same way, my car dash vents are all pointing at the same angle, I check the front door is locked at least 3 times before bed, the screw heads on my light switches are all perfectly aligned, my shower gels are arranged in order - Lemon on the left and Mint to the right, there are 12 steps up the stairs in my house - I count them regularly & the tins in my cupboard all face forward, the 'Volvo Iron' badge on my alloys all point towards my locking wheel nuts....these are just a few of the things I'm conscious of. I may have an undiagnosed mild form of OCD....so please may I be excused in any future posts that I refer to myself as having OCD without suffering the wrath of G'n'B ;) Just for the record, I am not aware of any of my posts since joining VPC in 2006 of having reference to the illness & have never felt the need to voice any concern. Steve

Post 742412 by LeeT5 on 2014-10-15 12:00:11

[QUOTE=merc85;742181]My Mother in Law suffers from OCD, very badly she sleeps most of the time due to her meds, It's had a big impact on her side of the family and effected my side for eg my wifes relationship with her. Perhaps ive thick skin but using the "OCD" phrase occasionally doesn't upset me in the slightness as i relise wen peeps do say it they are not meaning any harm.[/QUOTE] My ex-wife suffers extremely badly with OCD (she's a 'checker') and I put up with it and suffered during our 7 yr marriage. I absolutely agree with everything Merc85 just said. Oh yeah....I also suffer (probably the wrong word) with a very mild form of OCD too. I deal/cope with it. My shirts all hang a certain way in my wardrobe and my car is absolutely immaculate (two examples I can think of) If anyone wants to make mild references to that, fill yer boots! cos I don't give a s hit. :)

Post 742429 by cherry1809 on 2014-10-15 13:42:10

[QUOTE=stephenevans99;742393]I find myself straightening the leaflets when in the queue at the Bank, I make sure that all my notes in my wallet have the Queens face pointing the same way, my car dash vents are all pointing at the same angle, I check the front door is locked at least 3 times before bed, the screw heads on my light switches are all perfectly aligned, my shower gels are arranged in order - Lemon on the left and Mint to the right, there are 12 steps up the stairs in my house - I count them regularly & the tins in my cupboard all face forward, the 'Volvo Iron' badge on my alloys all point towards my locking wheel nuts....these are just a few of the things I'm conscious of. I may have an undiagnosed mild form of OCD....so please may I be excused in any future posts that I refer to myself as having OCD without suffering the wrath of G'n'B ;) Just for the record, I am not aware of any of my posts since joining VPC in 2006 of having reference to the illness & have never felt the need to voice any concern. Steve[/QUOTE] Well that saved me writing out the rest :D Exactly the same mate.

Post 742432 by JamesT5 on 2014-10-15 13:58:14

I've just read the majority of the above and now I'll give my opinion. First of all, those making out it's a waste of a thread or a needless post should think again. Gold N Brown has posted this in the Banter Bar which is a generalised social area of the forum and, others have posted their 'health' concerns on here without flack. Why is this any different? It shouldn't be. If someone feels strongly that they need to post it up and discuss it and so long as it doesn't break any forum rules or contain illegal content, then I think it's wrong to be dismissive and people should respect the feelings of the individual on stuff like this. Some people take things like this very seriously for personal reasons, and we should remember that. Now, Gold N Brown is also right in saying that people are using the phrase "OCD" in a very generalised way and a real OCD sufferer would view this negatively. On the flip side, a lot of us will say stuff like, "Oh, that's a bit OCD if you ask me", in day-to-day life, and not think much about it. OCD can be a serious condition and I think those of us who claim to have "mild OCD", don't have "mild OCD" at all, we just take pride in what we do and should actually call ourselves "Perfectionists". There's been a lot of cr@p flying about on here recently about correct terminology, Gold N Brown is asking us all to use correct terminology when it refers to a medical condition and not misuse the phrase because he finds it annoying, irritating, or whatever. I can understand why some of you are saying that 'it's just a phrase we use so don't take it to heart' (the way I'm reading it from here), but one day it could be you reading something that's getting on your nerves and you'll post it up on here. I've seen lots of people post what I would call 'random cr@p' that seem pointless on a car forum, but I don't go around dismissing it or telling someone they've gone over the top with it. Remember, it's what's personal to the individual.

Post 742462 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-10-15 16:19:24

Good to see some more serious and considered replies now :) [QUOTE=JamesT5;742432]Gold N Brown is asking us all to use correct terminology when it refers to a medical condition and not misuse the phrase because he finds it annoying, irritating, or whatever. [/QUOTE] Thanks James but I just want to set the record straight on a minor point there. I'm not asking anyone to consider whether, or how, they use certain terminology on my behalf. I can be arrogant, but I'm not that bad :mischievo Yeah, it's an irritant to me, but I don't expect anyone on here to give a crap about my feelings :wink: What it really boils down to for me, is that if I was using particular terminology in a really silly way, I'd welcome someone correcting me, as it would mean I'd no longer be blissfully unaware of what a tit I may have been making myself out to be. If used the term "torque wrench" on here when I actually meant "breaker bar" I'm sure someone would correct me fairly quickly! Some people will welcome new information, and welcome being corrected and embrace it.

Post 742472 by claymore on 2014-10-15 17:02:01

At this rate we will have to vet every word we type just in case it offends 1 person, this is the sort of thing that makes people afraid to type anything in case it isn't politically correct, Let's not mention death, because someone might just know someone who has died, where does it stop. EDIT: I have absolutely no problen with OP making us aware OCD, but ocd in the forum context is just meant as someone who is meticulous.

Post 742504 by cherry1809 on 2014-10-15 18:18:21

And just to point out, just because I haven't been officially diagnosed, doesn't mean I'm just a perfectionist... Have you seen my cars? I can take a pic of the V70 passenger footwell now if you want? That doesn't bother me. When I get to the last little sign with the count down markers on for an M way junction, if I don't get the indicator just right (first flash before the sign, second flash after) then I feel something bad will happen. I feel a bit of a nob for admitting it but lifes a bitch.

Post 742640 by Gold 'N' Brown on 2014-10-16 01:08:11

[QUOTE=claymore;742472]At this rate we will have to vet every word we type just in case it offends 1 person, this is the sort of thing that makes people afraid to type anything in case it isn't politically correct, Let's not mention death, because someone might just know someone who has died, where does it stop. [/QUOTE] I did worry that this would come across as a nimby politically correct whinge. That's the last thing I want, as I hate OTT political correctness! I'm repeating myself, but...I'm not offended by what we are talking about (I'm not easily offended by much), I just find it ridiculous and was pointing that out. [QUOTE=cherry1809;742504]When I get to the last little sign with the count down markers on for an M way junction, if I don't get the indicator just right (first flash before the sign, second flash after) then I feel something bad will happen. [/QUOTE] Then it does sound like you may have a form of OCD. By what you said, you have an obsession - timing your indicator flash just right - and a compulsion - that if you don't do the obsession that something bad will happen. Where most people get confused by OCD is that they don't realise that certain traits - like neatness and cleanliness - are not driven by a desire to be neat and tidy, and it's not about being satisfied and feeling good about order etc. What causes and drives these traits is fear, fear that if they aren't done, that there could be awful consequences. So for example, with my wife, her brain is tied in knots 24*7*365 because her OCD makes her think that if she does something, or doesn't do something (can be anything mundane), that something bad (like cancer) will happen to a loved one because of her. She'll have intrusive thoughts about causing something bad to happen, then believe it will happen if she doesn't do a ritual, then thinks she's a terrible person for having the thought in the first place, then tries to "put things right" and prevent the terrible thing from happening by doing an opposite ritual, and so on and so on. But with her, she does this all mentally, you wouldn't know (and many friends don't) that she has OCD, and that takes a huge toll on her mentally because she confines it to her mind. It absolutely drains her.

Post 742645 by LeeT5 on 2014-10-16 01:46:34

[QUOTE=cherry1809;742504]And just to point out, just because I haven't been officially diagnosed, doesn't mean I'm just a perfectionist... Have you seen my cars? I can take a pic of the V70 passenger footwell now if you want? That doesn't bother me. When I get to the last little sign with the count down markers on for an M way junction, if I don't get the indicator just right (first flash before the sign, second flash after) then I feel something bad will happen. I feel a bit of a nob for admitting it but lifes a bitch.[/QUOTE] What a Knob! :wink: