Project 244 Turbo Conversion
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Post 748848 by jamesy12345 on 2014-11-21 18:45:18
looks nice
did you try starting it yet, interested to know if it fires up
Post 748850 by oblark on 2014-11-21 19:09:04
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;748848]looks nice
did you try starting it yet, interested to know if it fires up[/QUOTE]
Not yet, picking the battery up tomorrow morning so I`ll report back tomorrow evening :)
Post 748874 by Ettienne on 2014-11-21 21:00:21
I found this and thought it might help, shows all the major rust areas.
May as well all be red lol
Post 748884 by oblark on 2014-11-21 21:23:53
It`s that bad for rust :P
Post 748978 by oblark on 2014-11-22 17:47:27
I`ve spent 4 hours trying to start the car,
I`ve stripped and cleaned the carb as the floats had stuck to the bottom of the float chamber.
Removed and cleaned/gapped all the plugs.
Cleaned the dizzy cap and rotor arm.
She tries to start but only on cylinders 1 and 2, I`ve got a spark on 3 when the plug is sat on the engine, but I`ve got no spark on 4.
I`ve checked the all plugs and have a spark when the plug is sat on the rocker cover when using plug lead number 1
I think the HT leads are fubar`d so I`ll get some new ones and fingers crossed.
Now do I get these,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Kerr-Nelson-Ignition-HT-Lead-Set-OEF101-Ideal-Vehicle-Replacement-Fiat-Volvo-/281273217418?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3A240&hash=item417d30b18a
Or these,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROSPARK-OES138-Ignition-HT-Lead-Set-VOLVO-240-2-0-2-3-2-1-2-3I-CAT-/331066007972?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3A240&hash=item4d151261a4
Well now it`s a battery I thought I would check the lights etc and the only thing that doesn`t work is a fog light bulb.
Post 748983 by Ettienne on 2014-11-22 18:14:38
That's pretty close mate, but more effort and she'll be there.
Post 748984 by oblark on 2014-11-22 18:18:24
I tried your steel rim on the front and back,
When fitted to the front the rim is "kissing" the suspension leg.
They was plenty of clearance on the rear :)
Post 748987 by Ettienne on 2014-11-22 18:47:51
Ok but the others we discussed may fit slightly slimmer?
Post 748988 by Ettienne on 2014-11-22 18:48:32
Bet they looked good though, filling the arches
Post 748992 by oblark on 2014-11-22 18:58:10
[QUOTE=Ettienne;748987]Ok but the others we discussed may fit slightly slimmer?[/QUOTE]
Yes but the ET is greater.
[QUOTE=Ettienne;748988]Bet they looked good though, filling the arches[/QUOTE]
They did at the front, the rears could be wider :)
Post 748994 by Ettienne on 2014-11-22 19:24:13
What about flipping them
Post 748997 by oblark on 2014-11-22 19:48:07
[QUOTE=Ettienne;748994]What about flipping them[/QUOTE]
It`s an option :)
Post 749042 by jamesy12345 on 2014-11-22 21:40:41
[QUOTE=oblark;748978]I`ve spent 4 hours trying to start the car,
I`ve stripped and cleaned the carb as the floats had stuck to the bottom of the float chamber.
Removed and cleaned/gapped all the plugs.
Cleaned the dizzy cap and rotor arm.
She tries to start but only on cylinders 1 and 2, I`ve got a spark on 3 when the plug is sat on the engine, but I`ve got no spark on 4.
I`ve checked the all plugs and have a spark when the plug is sat on the rocker cover when using plug lead number 1
I think the HT leads are fubar`d so I`ll get some new ones and fingers crossed.
Now do I get these,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Kerr-Nelson-Ignition-HT-Lead-Set-OEF101-Ideal-Vehicle-Replacement-Fiat-Volvo-/281273217418?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3A240&hash=item417d30b18a
Or these,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROSPARK-OES138-Ignition-HT-Lead-Set-VOLVO-240-2-0-2-3-2-1-2-3I-CAT-/331066007972?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3A240&hash=item4d151261a4
Well now it`s a battery I thought I would check the lights etc and the only thing that doesn`t work is a fog light bulb.[/QUOTE]
as Steve says that was close, good going for being standing for a while. Hope the new leads sorts it out
Post 749065 by Jamest5r on 2014-11-22 22:07:03
Dam thought it would start oh.well new leads and see what happens :)
Post 749078 by oblark on 2014-11-22 22:43:46
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;749065]Dam thought it would start oh.well new leads and see what happens :)[/QUOTE]
I was hoping it was going to start but a new set of leads should here by next weekend.
Post 749512 by oblark on 2014-11-25 19:22:47
New leads arrived today and as I finished work a bit earlier I thought it would be rude not to fit them and see if she`ll start.
Well no she still won`t start, I`ve even flattened the new battery trying to start her.
I`ve got a spark on all 4 plugs and all the plugs are wet after trying to start it.
I think I need to do a compression test.
Post 749525 by Jamest5r on 2014-11-25 20:00:49
Not even a murmur of it catching? not good, excuse my ignorance on the older stuff but cam/crank sensor?
Post 749539 by oblark on 2014-11-25 20:50:15
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;749525]Not even a murmur of it catching? not good, excuse my ignorance on the older stuff but cam/crank sensor?[/QUOTE]
It tries to fire on cylinders 1 & 2 but not on 3 & 4
When I removed the plugs from 1 & 2 they where black, so it could be running rich.
This could be why it`s not firing on 3 & 4 (fuel putting out spark)
As for sensors :lol: it`s got points and a condensor :)
Post 749540 by stribo on 2014-11-25 20:51:16
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;749525]Not even a murmur of it catching? not good, excuse my ignorance on the older stuff but cam/crank sensor?[/QUOTE]
Lol, hadn't even been invented then mate. ;) I assume it's solid state ignition Rob, and not points and condensor.
EDIT, you beat me to it.
Post 749542 by Jamest5r on 2014-11-25 20:52:54
[QUOTE=oblark;749539]It tries to fire on cylinders 1 & 2 but not on 3 & 4
When I removed the plugs from 1 & 2 they where black, so it could be running rich.
This could be why it`s not firing on 3 & 4 (fuel putting out spark)
As for sensors :lol: it`s got points and a condensor :)[/QUOTE]
Point's and a condenser...... glad I don't own an old car :)
Post 749543 by stribo on 2014-11-25 20:55:17
I assume you've checked the static timing.
Post 749550 by jks on 2014-11-25 22:30:11
bit of brake cleaner or easy start in the carb, while cranking?
you got fuel to carb? filters get blocked over time and tank insides pell off, blocking fuel pipe..
these are simple as. fuel, spark..and of you go.
Post 749551 by oblark on 2014-11-25 22:37:49
I'm using a jerry can on the roof at the moment as I've got no idea what the inside of the tank is like.
I've got fuel to the pump then to the carb and then on the plugs. I've got a spark on all plugs so in theory it should start but it wont.
It's either got low compression on 3 & 4 or its being flooded by the carb.
Post 749567 by jks on 2014-11-26 00:01:59
you running it through lift pump?
Post 749570 by oblark on 2014-11-26 06:47:21
Lift pump ?
The car is a 1983 244 GL, its got points, condenser and a mechanical fuel pump.
These no sensors or electric fuel pumps.
Post 749574 by craigoodwood on 2014-11-26 09:18:49
honestly if it was me id pour a bit of fuel into the intake set fire to it then crank it, i know it sounds rough and drastic but its never failed me :D
Post 749593 by jks on 2014-11-26 13:26:23
Yes, lift pump. Mechanical pump.
I think your problem is fuel delivery.
Post 749615 by oblark on 2014-11-26 17:19:24
[QUOTE=jks;749593]Yes, lift pump. Mechanical pump.
I think your problem is fuel delivery.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, when you said lift pump I thought you where talking about the electric pump in the injection 240 :)
I`ve put the battery on charge, checked the points gap and stripped the carb.
Post 749621 by T5frankie on 2014-11-26 17:42:56
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;749542]Point's and a condenser...... glad I don't own an old car :)[/QUOTE]
wish i had a modern 1995 car lol
Post 749627 by 960kg on 2014-11-26 18:19:52
Might help ...might not....
But on the inner wing nearside at the front there is a Bosch Control Unit and on the 740 this is a Powerstage unit and if the screw does not earth because it`s rusty...no start or run...or bad misfires.
Because your 240 is distributor etc. it may not be a cause but worth checking!
Had this trouble with both my 740`s...
Even just tipping new petrol in the carb aperture it should still fire and run if only for seconds!
Post 749783 by oblark on 2014-11-27 17:48:35
After another 2 hours this afternoon I`ve finally got it started.
[video=youtube;GHQcnGVbVlE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHQcnGVbVlE[/video]
When it first started all you could here was the sound of drive belts slipping and you could smell burning rubber.
Once they stopped slipping all I could hear was the baffles rattling in the exhaust.
I let it run until it warmed up and had to adjust the slow running, it idles nice no funny noises or smoke :)
Post 749784 by martybelfastt5 on 2014-11-27 18:01:23
result........now do a rwd burnout:P
Post 749837 by jamesy12345 on 2014-11-27 23:43:50
What this thread needs is a...
[video=youtube;xos2MnVxe-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c[/video]
Post 749838 by M-R-P on 2014-11-27 23:47:53
Nice work Rob.
Now stick a K24 on it and go play ;)
Post 749839 by Doingitsideways on 2014-11-27 23:57:20
I told you it would run!
Old Volvos never die, they just wait! ;)
Post 749850 by stribo on 2014-11-28 06:32:10
Great news mate, now rip the engine out and stick a white block in it. ;)
Post 749853 by oblark on 2014-11-28 07:36:35
I'll be putting a 940 red block engine in it.
Fitting a while block will be a right pita.
Post 749857 by t5 pete on 2014-11-28 09:20:31
Thats great you managed to get her to fire
Post 750030 by oblark on 2014-11-29 18:12:12
[QUOTE=stribo;750028]Not that I'm doubting your know how and experience Rob, but was it a good idea to have the axle stand under the structural part of car you were cutting out? ;)[/QUOTE]
The axle stand was on the jacking point :) plus it`s a old skool volvo and built like a tank.
Post 750047 by t5steve on 2014-11-29 19:42:47
this may help rob, in the old days we used to use steel trailer mudguards turned upside down to repair wheelwells, just need a bit of trimming to fit.
Post 750049 by oblark on 2014-11-29 19:49:26
[QUOTE=t5steve;750047]this may help rob, in the old days we used to use steel trailer mudguards turned upside down to repair wheelwells, just need a bit of trimming to fit.[/QUOTE]
I`m cutting the curved part of the well out and making it flat bottomed.
I`ll either strap the spare wheel in the middle of the boot or not bother with a spare :)
Post 750050 by t5steve on 2014-11-29 19:51:37
thats another way round the problem, nice project by the way
Post 750057 by Ettienne on 2014-11-29 21:14:59
Nice to see you back buddy, I know you've been living in the workshop fixing up the car.
Post 750083 by t5steve on 2014-11-30 00:00:20
[QUOTE=Ettienne;750057]Nice to see you back buddy, I know you've been living in the workshop fixing up the car.[/QUOTE]
haha hard work but well worth the time and effort
Post 750145 by Ettienne on 2014-11-30 17:14:42
Less of a Fred flintstone car now.
Post 750232 by oblark on 2014-12-01 13:41:51
I`ve been doing some research in to the 240 injection fuel pump set up.
The 240 uses a in tank pump then another pump under the rear seats to pump the fuel to the injector rail @ 3bar.
Trying to get hold of a external fuel pump and cradle is like looking rocking horse cr@p.
So I`m going to go down the route of fitting a 850 fuel pump in the tank which will pump the fuel to the injector rail @ 3bar so no need for the external pump, I`ll put the fuel filter in the engine bay where it can be got at easily.
The only problem with the 850 fuel pump it is fatter than the 240 one so it`ll be a bit of a squeeze to get it the tank.
Post 750233 by M-R-P on 2014-12-01 13:55:08
Keep it up Rob, I'll be pestering you for some "steer from the rear" action soon ;)
Post 751126 by oblark on 2014-12-09 10:02:18
As she is a early 80's model the speedo is driven off of the gearbox, but the 940 gets it speedo drive from the back axle. So to fit a 940 engine and box I'd have to also fit a late 240 axle and instruments. This could be a right can of worms that I dont to open.
I'm not looking to get massive amounts of bhp (150ish) out of it so I'm going to tune the B21A engine by fitting twin webers 45 DCOE`s and a tubular exhaust.
After spendings hours of searching I`ve found a place in Germany that make tubular manifolds for £220, The bit that`s really going to sting are the carbs £250 EA + manifold £200 and linkage £80 but it`s all old skool bolt on.
I`ve also been looking into high flow heads and high lift cams, the head to get is the 100405 with its cam. So I`ll be on the look at later for that head in the breakers. The plan is to get the car on the road for the summer. (All going well)
Post 751128 by M-R-P on 2014-12-09 10:31:40
What about motorbike carbs and a plenum?
Post 751134 by kmb on 2014-12-09 12:15:41
Twin Webers or Throttle bodies from a motorbike... Along with RWD this has potential to be great fun, enjoying the thread!
Post 751135 by M-R-P on 2014-12-09 12:18:03
I'm just thinking about the fiesta we saw at the Uxbridge RR day. Had a ST170 engine with bike carbs on it. Made over 200bhp and the noise was biblical!
Post 751138 by oblark on 2014-12-09 12:48:14
I wont be going down the throttle body route as this means I`ll need fuel injection and a ecu.
As for motorbike carbs, I don`t no of a 4 cylinder 2.1 ltr motorbike running carbs
This is why I`m going down the tried and tested route of weber 45`s
I had a ford sierra which I ran twin 45`s and it roared on full chat and went like the clappers :)
Post 751139 by M-R-P on 2014-12-09 12:55:31
Wasn't the Z2300 running carbs?
Any hoo... I was just chucking the idea out there ;)
Webers... :)
Post 751141 by oblark on 2014-12-09 12:59:21
The Kawasaki Z 2300 was a 6 cylinder lump :)
Post 751147 by stribo on 2014-12-09 13:36:05
You can't go wrong with twin Webers Rob. :B_thumb:
Post 751148 by M-R-P on 2014-12-09 13:41:57
[QUOTE=oblark;751141]The Kawasaki Z 2300 was a 6 cylinder lump :)[/QUOTE]
V12 mate ;) 6 carbs.
Post 751151 by oblark on 2014-12-09 14:29:46
[QUOTE=M-R-P;751148]V12 mate ;) 6 carbs.[/QUOTE]
I was looking at the wrong picture :doh:
Post 751616 by oblark on 2014-12-13 17:12:05
Had some spare time today so I fit the bilstein rear shocks that I got from ebay.
For a car that has been stood for so long the bolts where not to bad to undo, just a good dosing with WD40 and off they came, when it came to refitting them a good coat of copperslip :)
The old shocks are in good order for oil shocks, no signs of any leakage so if anyone some 240 shocks (age unknown) let me no :)
Post 751926 by oblark on 2014-12-16 21:59:31
It appears that parcel force drivers can`t read. I left a note on the front door for all signed for deliveries to be left with neighbours. Royal mail driver left a parcel with a neighbour but parcel force didn`t. So I`ve made a the sign bigger so hopefully the idiot will see it tomorrow when he tries to deliver my parcel.
Post 751984 by oblark on 2014-12-17 16:48:07
Parcel force did leave my parcel with my neighbour today :)
Looks like christmas has come early :)
And more is due tomoorrow.
Post 751986 by Ettienne on 2014-12-17 17:13:52
I remember well under sealing the gul, lucky me I've got to do it again on the rear of the other gul.
Post 752081 by oblark on 2014-12-18 18:01:25
And this little lot arrived today (the wheels where delivered to work)
The wheels fit a treat with plenting of room to have them banded :)
Post 752086 by Jamest5r on 2014-12-18 18:36:09
Jack Daniels and marmite....... quality up grades :)
Post 752293 by Ettienne on 2014-12-20 15:33:47
Just to give you some ideas
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cwpGgM7l6U
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2NCGThMZLc
I think you should go as low as this 244, and it's awesome looks like a supra engine
Post 752311 by oblark on 2014-12-20 17:02:45
After I relaised I`d ££££ed up and brought the wrong head from the breakers.
I started to do a bit of body work, treated the wheel ache with some Kurust then a thin coat of filler, rubed it down and primed with etch primer. Just nneds a fatting back with some wet & dry then it`ll be ready for the satin lacquer.
Post 752520 by Ettienne on 2014-12-21 17:27:58
Coffee lol, told you not to stress.
Looks way better dropped.
It will look better again with the wheels done.
Is that the cut spring in the pic
Post 752528 by JUDGENINJA on 2014-12-21 18:31:46
Good progress Rob. Next years softies meets are going to be interesting..
Post 752539 by oblark on 2014-12-21 19:22:03
[QUOTE=Ettienne;752520]Coffee lol, told you not to stress.
Looks way better dropped.
It will look better again with the wheels done.
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Is that the cut spring in the pic[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
No, that`s how the spring came from losjofors.
Post 752540 by Ettienne on 2014-12-21 19:26:53
That looks very short to start with
Post 752600 by oblark on 2014-12-22 11:48:02
I phoned the breakers this morning and there will refund me for the 631 head :)
After the ££££ up over the 631 head I`ve been looking into the 531 heads and have found that it will fit the B21A
The only head that flows the same as the 531 is the 405 head, this was fitted to the B21E engine. You try finding a later 240 in the breakers around here !!!
So after asking if anyone had a 405 head on the 240 owners club faceache page. I`ve got my hands on a 405 head, just needs overhauling as it`s been stored for a while.
Post 753388 by stribo on 2014-12-27 16:14:20
Good progress Rob, sits much better now. :D
Post 753518 by Ettienne on 2014-12-28 11:21:21
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PPXwmm1M8rI
340 bhp 21e 240
Post 753565 by Ettienne on 2014-12-28 17:36:27
Not looking too bad
Post 753812 by oblark on 2014-12-29 20:44:09
Todays job weld up both front outriggers, On closer expection the N/S outrigger just had surface rust so it was Kurusted the undersealed.
The drivers side was a different store, the outrigger, floor by the seat and the floor by the jacking point where as rotten as a pear. So spent a few hours flat on my back welding repair panels.
Once i`d finished welding I swapped over the brake and fog lights.
This is how they where,
[ATTACH=CONFIG]27781[/ATTACH]
Now the fog light is inboard while the brake light is under the indicator.
Tomorrows job, change the new 16" wheels from a 44ET to 30ET,
Post 753816 by Ettienne on 2014-12-29 21:09:48
A bit more structural integrity!
Post 753866 by AndysR on 2014-12-30 00:11:06
Oh quality its a saloon, for some reason I thought it would be an estate when I spotted your engine swap thread. Looking forward to seeing this progress :)
Post 753955 by Ettienne on 2014-12-30 19:53:39
Were you doing that at work?
Another new subject for the forum, looks good have to try bigger brakes, bring a wheel with you Saturday and you can try the 316s.
Post 753959 by oblark on 2014-12-30 20:04:51
[QUOTE=Ettienne;753955]Were you doing that at work?
Another new subject for the forum, looks good have to try bigger brakes, [COLOR="#FF0000"]bring a wheel with you Saturday and you can try the 316s[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]
Will do :)
Post 754023 by oblark on 2014-12-31 16:37:11
Front wheels are now ready for the tyres.
Not to self don`t buy motorworlds masking tape, it doesn`t stick to the car BUT it sticks to the wheels like £$%& to blanket.
Post 760530 by Ettienne on 2015-02-22 08:25:50
Oblark 244 updated thread, he's doing some interesting things to the car.
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?p=1856125#post1856125
Post 760552 by kmb on 2015-02-22 11:32:43
Wish Rob would come back on here, he's helped me out and missed!
Post 762374 by t5 pete on 2015-03-05 21:51:53
Starting to take shape there's quite a few now with 240 turbos cannot wait to start mine
Post 762376 by oblark on 2015-03-05 21:56:59
[QUOTE=t5 pete;762374]Starting to take shape there's quite a few now with 240 turbos cannot wait to start mine[/QUOTE]
I`m doing it the hard way, starting with a early N/A car.
It`s alot easier with a late injector car :)
Post 762378 by Ettienne on 2015-03-05 21:58:09
Looking good!!
Post 762384 by claymore on 2015-03-05 22:04:23
When can we expect a startup video :)
Post 762386 by t5 pete on 2015-03-05 22:06:30
[QUOTE=oblark;762376]I`m doing it the hard way, starting with a early N/A car.
It`s alot easier with a late injector car :)[/QUOTE]
Yeah having a later 240 with lh is a lot easier but there enough done it with glts so lots of info.
Will be going standalone with mine
Post 762395 by oblark on 2015-03-05 22:29:08
[QUOTE=claymore;762384]When can we expect a startup video :)[/QUOTE]
Not for a month or two.
As I'm converting a N/A which had its speedo drive from the gearbox and the B230FK has a electronic speedo drive in the rear axle which the ecu uses to adjust the idle.
If i tried to start it without the electronic speedo it run rough and I wouldn't be able to stop the engine.
Post 762418 by kmb on 2015-03-05 23:05:36
Lot of work going on here, nice to see all the home fabricated parts!
Post 762589 by oblark on 2015-03-06 19:47:42
I phoned volvo for the price and delivery on the gear stick gaitor only to find it`s no longer avaliable.
So with a sheet of rubber and some industrial strength super glue I made my own gaitor.
Also changed the front discs and pads.
The Timming belt and drive belts finally arrived from euro car parts but the drive belts are twice the length they should be. Phoned them up and was told they where the right ones according to they records. So after measuring the old belts (10AX0888) I found the right ones but they are from a 83 vauxhall cavalier but as long as they fit who cares :)
Post 762608 by t5 pete on 2015-03-06 21:08:54
You will be suprised how good the 240 4 pot brakes are
Post 762617 by stribo on 2015-03-06 21:31:31
Welcome back Rob, haven't you scrapped that yet. :P
Post 762620 by oblark on 2015-03-06 21:40:46
[QUOTE=t5 pete;762608]You will be suprised how good the 240 4 pot brakes are[/QUOTE]
I`ve heard they good for 300 bhp :)
[QUOTE=stribo;762617]Welcome back Rob, haven't you scrapped that yet. :P[/QUOTE]
So how many cars have you brought and had written off lately :P
Post 762717 by martybelfastt5 on 2015-03-07 12:35:31
looking fantastic!!
Post 762762 by oblark on 2015-03-07 17:14:27
Had to go to the Portsmouth branch of euro car parts to collect the right alternator belts.
While in the aera dropped in to see Steve and went down to Harris`s the breakers to see if they had a 940 lpt in as I could do with the radiator as mine leaks.
But managed to pick a 012 maf from a ferrari f355 which is a straight swap for the standard 940 maf.
Post 762798 by t5 pete on 2015-03-07 20:09:21
Cough cough saab 9000 lol
Post 762960 by oblark on 2015-03-08 19:10:30
Mounted both ecu`s to some 3mm aluminiun plate then fitted the injection ecu to the passengers side dash under the glove box. The ignition ecu was mounted to the dash by the steering column.
Once the both ecu`s where donnected I fitted a 12v bulb to each of the fuel pump supply wires. When nthe ignition was turned on both bulbs came on for a few seconds then went off, when the engine was cranked over both bulbs came back on. So it looks good for the fuel side of things just need to check the ignition side next.
Post 763801 by Ettienne on 2015-03-14 18:32:57
Looks good, 2.5" the exhaust?
Where did u get the pipe from.
Post 763994 by oblark on 2015-03-15 21:58:42
Did a few hours work on the 240 today.
In readiness for the GLT rear axle I "hot bolted" all the rear suspension bolts and made sure all the brake line joints/nipples are not siezed.
Post 763996 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-15 22:14:14
Wow it's progressing well
Did the 240 turbos not run K-Jetronic injection....not saying it's better than what you are doing, just a comment
Post 764002 by oblark on 2015-03-15 22:30:44
From what I've seen on turbobricks the 240 turbos ran a mechanical fuel injection.
The later UK spec models had electronic fuel injection (lh2.2 )
Post 764003 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-15 22:35:17
[QUOTE=oblark;764002]From what I've seen on turbobricks the 240 turbos ran a mechanical fuel injection.
The later UK spec models had electronic fuel injection (lh2.2 )[/QUOTE]
Yes that's it....nice simple, great until something goes wrong or you want to mod it!! Then it's a nightmare
Post 764016 by t5 pete on 2015-03-16 08:40:41
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;764003]Yes that's it....nice simple, great until something goes wrong or you want to mod it!! Then it's a nightmare[/QUOTE]
TBH there nice and simple the rally and track cars were all between 300 and 400 bhp on that old multi point mechanical injection
Post 764020 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-16 08:48:04
[QUOTE=t5 pete;764016]TBH there nice and simple the rally and track cars were all between 300 and 400 bhp on that old multi point mechanical injection[/QUOTE]
Aye it can be done...I'm just debating whether to bin the K-Jet on my Renault 5 & go for EFI...reading about how to shim the pressure regulator etc
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The volvo, VW and even porsche K-Jet stuff is very well documented...renault stuff is all secret squirrel, you need to be in the masons to get any info. Or speak French.
Good volvo site below....no use to Rob of course he has gone all modern on this one :)
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/tech/fuel_injection/k_jetronic.shtml
Post 764053 by dant5r on 2015-03-16 12:10:31
[QUOTE=t5 pete;764016]TBH there nice and simple the rally and track cars were all between 300 and 400 bhp on that old multi point mechanical injection[/QUOTE]
with the mods he's doing (19t, me7 blues, 80mm maf & a 2.5" exhaust) he should be knocking on the door of 300 brake.
Post 764446 by oblark on 2015-03-19 12:28:26
Sorted out the bad earth on the wiper mtr,
Also i now have a working windscreen washer pump.
Post 764912 by oblark on 2015-03-22 20:19:26
After the Portmouth meet yesterday we went to the local breakers as they have got in a early 960, 940 lpt and a 16v 740
The engine & box had been removed from the left hand drive 16v 740.
I manged to get the rad out of the 940 lpt and the rad temp switch from the 960
I got a radiator fan from a guy on VOC but it didn`t come with the shroud, I did a bit of research and found that the 940/960 shroud only fits the 560mm radiator and I have the 450mm radiator. So using the 940 viscous fan shroud and some aluminium brackets I got the fan to fit the shroud.
As the 940 uses the same fan relay as the 850 I had a spare one, It was just a case of wiring in the relay, fan, temp sensor and the ecu supply.
Post 765775 by oblark on 2015-03-28 20:07:35
Fitted the external fuel pump and plumbed both pumps in. Primed the fuel system and sprung a couple of leaks on either side of the fuel filter. Need to replace the copper washer with rubber seals.
As the fuel system was primed it would a shame not to try and start the engine, well it didn`t.
I`ve got a spark but the plugs where bone dry after 2-3 minutes of cranking, looks like the ecu has a immobilizer, lucky I`ve a second ecu so I`ll try again tomorrow.
Post 765777 by stribo on 2015-03-28 20:16:29
Be good to see it running.
Post 765785 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 20:51:17
I'll be over around lunchtime and have a gander (back to ikea again)
Post 766020 by oblark on 2015-03-29 20:02:15
Swapped over the ecu`s this morning and bingo :)
It sounds a bit rough as it hasn`t got any exhaust system (thats next months project)
https://youtu.be/fAEJNa8JX5c
Just need to finish off wiring in the instrument cluster and fit the later rear axle.
Oooh and get the prop shaft lengthened.
Post 766027 by Ettienne on 2015-03-29 20:31:58
A good achievement and shows off robs talents, basically a £££££ heap of a car and a box full of engine parts and now it's a turbo conversion with custom made parts.
Chuffing quick job as well really having to deal with all the issues the came came with before converting.
The sort of work that should be encouraged on the forum, rather than people ridiculing threads to death with stupid posts, the forum won't pick up if this keeps happening.
I reckon your quadrupled the value of the car rob.
Post 766031 by c70geoff on 2015-03-29 20:45:21
Well impressed with this build
Awesome job fella
Post 766067 by oblark on 2015-03-29 22:39:59
[QUOTE=Ettienne;766027]A good achievement and shows off robs talents, basically a £££££ heap of a car and a box full of engine parts and now it's a turbo conversion with custom made parts.
Chuffing quick job as well really having to deal with all the issues the came came with before converting.
The sort of work that should be encouraged on the forum, rather than people ridiculing threads to death with stupid posts, the forum won't pick up if this keeps happening.
I reckon your quadrupled the value of the car rob.[/QUOTE]
I've only owned the car for just ovet 4 months so its not bad going :)
I paid £250 for car and its got to be worth a grand but cost me closer to two and half.
But end with a one of a kind 244 turbo
Post 767086 by dionbullock on 2015-04-02 10:25:00
Awesome thread and project!! I've gone for the easy route of converting a late 240 :D which should be done in a month or so! :)
Post 767534 by kmb on 2015-04-03 18:12:19
Coming along very nicely!
Post 767811 by Jim S70R on 2015-04-05 13:38:27
Nice progress so far, loving the retro build. It's going to be wicked once finished. I'm getting an itch to sell the S70 and get something retro/classic like this.
Post 768512 by oblark on 2015-04-11 21:31:33
The plan for this weekend was to fit the axle so I could have a working speedo.
BUT parcels2go and my yodel had other ideas.
The diff was dispatched on the 8-4-15 on a 24hr delivery service. The courier "ran out of time" so my parcel was returned to the depot at 18:00 on the 9-4-15
Due to the fact the courier “ran out of time” it doesn`t count as a failed delivery so I can`t reschedule the delivery or change the delivery address. So my parcel has now been at the yodel depot since 18:00 on the 9-4-15 which is long than it took to come down from north wales.
Now the idiots are saying it MITE be delivered on 13-4-15 Mite be !!!!!! it £$%&in better be.
Of all the couriers I`ve dealt with through sending and receiving things parcels2go and my yodel are the most useless bunch of brain dead wan£ers.
Post 768516 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-11 21:37:35
[QUOTE=oblark;768512]
Of all the couriers I`ve dealt with through sending and receiving things parcels2go and my yodel are the most useless bunch of brain dead wan£ers.[/QUOTE]
:lol: just say what you think mate, don't hold back)) courier companies always seem surprised that you don't want to wait in all day just to get a delivery 5 mins before 6 pm :)
Post 768708 by oblark on 2015-04-13 19:53:43
Finally yodel delivered my parcel, it only took them 120 hrs to deliver it when it was surposed to be on a 24hr delivery.
Anyway I cracked on with assembling the diff tonight, gave a good clean in clutch and brake cleaner then fitted into the housing.
Also fitted the Classic swede axle to trailing arm poly bushes.
Post 768709 by Ettienne on 2015-04-13 20:13:50
Oooo red bushes
Post 768710 by oblark on 2015-04-13 20:18:14
[QUOTE=Ettienne;768709]Oooo red bushes[/QUOTE]
When I make my adjustable panhard & upper trailing arms later on this year they will have the harder red poly bushes.
Post 768759 by oblark on 2015-04-14 19:33:19
Shot blasted and then polished the diff cover. The diff is now filled with EP90 gear oil and ready for installation back into the car.
I thought about fitting some bonnet louvres.
Post 768777 by Ettienne on 2015-04-14 21:05:50
Cover looks good blasted.
Post 768874 by charlesboya on 2015-04-16 17:14:44
Coming along beautifully, what a great build idea.
Post 769216 by Ettienne on 2015-04-19 19:40:21
Looking good, your making a better job of it than the 850! (Body work aside)
Post 770853 by kmb on 2015-04-30 12:01:54
That exhaust looks fantastic, any chance of a sound clip/vid once she's up and running?
Post 770890 by oblark on 2015-04-30 21:18:31
The exhaust is finally finished :) picked the freshly lengthened prop shaft up day.
Got a busy weekend fitting the prop, new number plates, ecu chip, boost gauge and respraying the headlight buckets.
Post 770941 by Ettienne on 2015-05-01 07:13:43
Be able to move under its own steam, first port of call mot.
Post 770953 by kmb on 2015-05-01 09:42:19
Going to be a little cracker this one, I think cars like this brought back from the dead are the future, going to worth a lot too... this has got me scouring the smaller free papers for old Volvos, shame I don't have any of Rob's talents :lol:
Post 771294 by oblark on 2015-05-03 17:49:53
After sorting the stalling problem out it was on to the passenger door central locking fault.
The door wouldn`t lock with the central locking but if I locked the passenger door with the key then unlocked the car with drivers lock it would unlock. Took the door card off and sprayed the lock and linkage with WD40 and all sorted. The inside of the door card looked like fungs breeding ground, this due to the fact that the plastic liner had been removed from the door so out came the duck tape and a bin bag and 5 mins later door had be sealed.
Post 771318 by Ettienne on 2015-05-03 19:11:33
Not long now!!
I see what you mean about the clutch bearing pushrod, I've read about it when reading about the conversions, has to be extended quite a bit
Post 771423 by kmb on 2015-05-04 16:37:41
Looking good, comparatively it's certainly less of a brute than the T5-R in the pictures, it's certainly going to surprise people.
When is the MOT? Will you be applying some light tuning? I suppose it doesn't need a cat with the age of the vehicle which is a nice bonus.
The marks are true provenance, or whatever the antique collectors call it.
Post 771424 by oblark on 2015-05-04 16:42:11
[QUOTE=kmb;771423]Looking good, comparatively it's certainly less of a brute than the T5-R in the pictures, it's certainly going to surprise people.
When is the MOT? Will you be applying some light tuning? I suppose it doesn't need a cat with the age of the vehicle which is a nice bonus.[/QUOTE]
The brute is my T5, the green bitch :)
Light tuning :) it`s already got the 3" maf & 2.5" stainless exhaust, after the MOT I`ll be fitting some ME7 blues and winding the boost up from 3 psi to 12 psi. Later on this year I`ll be fitting my 19T once I`ve rebuilt it.
Post 771425 by kmb on 2015-05-04 16:42:24
Patina might be the word I'm looking for :lol:
Post 771426 by kmb on 2015-05-04 16:44:20
[QUOTE=oblark;771424]The brute is my T5, the green bitch :)
Light tuning :) it`s already got the 3" maf & 2.5" stainless exhaust, after the MOT I`ll be fitting some ME7 blues and winding the boost up from 3 psi to 12 psi. Later on this year I`ll be fitting my 19T once I`ve rebuilt it.[/QUOTE]
I wish I had RWD again, there's going to be a lot of fun had post tuning!
Just a question, do these cars have a decent balance and weight distribution, or are they tail happy straight from the factory?
Post 771442 by Ettienne on 2015-05-04 18:03:10
Glad for you it's all back together, just need the mot now
Post 771446 by oblark on 2015-05-04 18:20:29
[QUOTE=Ettienne;771442]Glad for you it's all back together, just need the mot now[/QUOTE]
Just needs a air filter and a new fuel line, which are all on order :)
Post 771447 by Ettienne on 2015-05-04 18:25:46
Tbh it's been done in pretty quick time considering the condition it was in when you got it, 4 months ish
Post 771448 by stribo on 2015-05-04 18:58:23
It needs a massive boot spoiler. ;)
Post 771461 by oblark on 2015-05-04 20:03:14
[QUOTE=stribo;771448]It needs a massive boot spoiler. ;)[/QUOTE]
If anything will have a tasteful spoiler like this not one of those chav things you had on the toyota.
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Post 771466 by JUDGENINJA on 2015-05-04 20:12:07
Have you still got the one off your Lexus??
Post 771587 by AshDVS on 2015-05-05 13:24:42
Looks like a great project!
Post 772268 by oblark on 2015-05-09 19:50:59
Fitted these little beauties today :)
Poly engine and gearbox mounts from classic swede in the harder red poly. Well the engine is solid and I can now feel the engine running :)
Discovered the speedo doesn`t work so it`s one step forward and two steps back,
I`ve got a signal coming from the speed sender but no speedo. Not sure if it`s a wiring problem or a speedo fault I`ll do some checking tomorrow.
Post 772270 by Ettienne on 2015-05-09 20:00:40
[QUOTE=oblark;772268]Fitted these little beauties today :)
Poly engine and gearbox mounts from classic swede in the harder red poly. Well the engine is solid and I can now feel the engine running :)
Discovered the speedo doesn`t work so it`s one step forward and two steps back,
I`ve got a signal coming from the speed sender but no speedo. Not sure if it`s a wiring problem or a speedo fault I`ll do some checking tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Is that all of them, just 3? Not sure if I'll go poly, I'll see how yours turns out and if my fillings are still in situ
Post 772407 by oblark on 2015-05-10 19:26:40
Did some more testing on the speedo and it`s f***ed, I`ve got a AC voltage that starts at 1v and climbs as the speed increases,
Tried a early speedo and that worked but at idle it recorded 40 mph so it`s a little bit out,
So I got bored and fitted these :)
The car started and ran ok with the ME7 blues,
Post 772429 by kmb on 2015-05-10 21:04:45
I'm sure you'll come up with a good solution for the speedo, does that need to be operational for the forthcoming MOT?
PS - Not sure if you've had chance for progress on the M4.4 bin file mod for A/C operation, but drop me a PM when you know more.
Post 772608 by oblark on 2015-05-11 21:22:58
I`ve got another speedo coming which will be with me by the weekend,
Also the fuel line should turn up by the weekend if it all falls into place the 240 will be MOT`d by the brooklands meet.
Sorted the insurance out tonight £240 full comp with a maxium of 3K miles and it will be insured from midnight tonight :)
Post 772698 by kmb on 2015-05-12 08:42:17
That's not too bad at all for insurance given the engine swap.
Post 772704 by Ettienne on 2015-05-12 09:36:37
No excuse now, it should be at brooklands.
I'll bring a tow rope just incase.
Post 773419 by Ettienne on 2015-05-17 16:16:03
Had a look over oblarks 240 now it's up and running, very cool listening to the recirc chirp, it seems almost alien in a car "D I frost drives"
Post 773440 by stribo on 2015-05-17 19:20:00
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA;771466]Have you still got the one off your Lexus??[/QUOTE]
No, it went with the car. :(
Post 774853 by kmb on 2015-06-02 12:14:14
Haven't seen Rob on here lately, anyone know if the 240 now has an MOT etc?
Post 774854 by MaxTS on 2015-06-02 12:28:07
I spoke with him on Sunday and he said that it failed on a brake line bulge and he will be fixing this week hopefully.
Post 774860 by kmb on 2015-06-02 15:19:11
Excellent - Sounds like it's pretty close to being on the road.
Post 778924 by kmb on 2015-07-23 20:18:06
Must be so tempting to find a little hidden corner to that green field and just RWD steer the 240 around a little, great news it's up and running and looking forward to the updates :)
Post 778929 by Ettienne on 2015-07-23 20:57:11
Glad you like the olives brakes, They look almost made to fit.
You should post up a pic of them with the wheel on.
Post 779141 by oblark on 2015-07-25 19:20:07
This little beauty arrived in the post today, a chipable EZK ecu.
Post 779158 by kmb on 2015-07-25 21:47:46
Did that one fit through the letterbox Rob? :sorry:
I'm assuming the engine swapped 240 is well before OBDII and that must be something you can solder a chip into rather than just upgrade the software?
Post 779161 by oblark on 2015-07-25 22:00:51
[QUOTE=kmb;779158]Did that one fit through the letterbox Rob? :sorry:
I'm assuming the engine swapped 240 is well before OBDII and that must be something you can solder a chip into rather than just upgrade the software?[/QUOTE]
It was delivered by "my hermes" and left on the door step.
The remapped chips for these ecu's can be brought from ebay for about £30
I could buy the chips, the eprom loader from ebay and load the remapped files myself as I've got the files but it's easier to buy the chips.
Post 779173 by kmb on 2015-07-26 09:59:25
What level of adjustability does the changed chip give? Just interested in what parameters you'll have once fitted.
I've used My Hermes a couple of times and they do seem a bit less concerned with leaving parcels unattended, but the price is usually very good (not sure if you've seen they have recently halved their std cover from £100 to £50).
You haven't mentioned, unless I've missed it, what the handling is like in one of these old 240's, do they go around corners OK?
I've only ever been in one, it was the late 70's and my primary school headmaster was delivering me to hospital after a minor accident. Can't remember much about the trip :lol:
Post 779179 by oblark on 2015-07-26 11:23:08
The EZK chip just gives the car a bit more ignition advance to stop the engine "pinking" under high boost.
Your ecu is coming back to you by my hermes but will need a signature :)
As for the handling on the 240 its got very stiff suspebsion and goes around corners like it's on rails :)
Post 791217 by oblark on 2015-11-19 19:00:39
Picked these little beauties up yesterday, 4 VXR 470cc injectors.
Post 791228 by t5 pete on 2015-11-19 20:07:04
How you getting on with the 240
Post 791246 by oblark on 2015-11-19 20:51:20
[QUOTE=t5 pete;791228]How you getting on with the 240[/QUOTE]
It only gets used or abused :) evey fortnight.
Its running fine just needs more power :)
And the fleet.
