Post 759024 by foammanmark on 2015-02-08 20:25:29
After using my turbo on my C70 T5 on the way for the MOT, I got an S59. A warning with no fine, but they can keep my car if I get caught again. Anyone else had one of these joi?
After using my turbo on my C70 T5 on the way for the MOT, I got an S59. A warning with no fine, but they can keep my car if I get caught again. Anyone else had one of these joi?
Never heard of one until now. Is it a form or an actual endorsement?
[QUOTE=foammanmark;759024]After using my turbo on my C70 T5 on the way for the MOT, I got an S59. A warning with no fine, but they can keep my car if I get caught again. Anyone else had one of these joi?[/QUOTE] Think that must be a last resort, can't see how they could get away with that or even be able to enforce it legally....
The copper set me up by driving at 35mph on the approach to a motorway, so I proceeded to overtake and got nicked. A dispute is on-going after I put a complaint in through the legal channels.
I thought a section 59 was more to do with antisocial behavior. http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2010/07/15/what-is-a-section-59/
Seems odd to do you for that https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/joining-the-motorway-259 35 mph isn't enough to 'match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow...' Worth fighting it IMO
[QUOTE=claymore;759042]I thought a section 59 was more to do with antisocial behavior. http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2010/07/15/what-is-a-section-59/[/QUOTE] Exactly. He gave it to me because I argued my case. Otherwise it would just have been a verbal.
deffo just trying it on, report him for abuse of powers.
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;759043]Seems odd to do you for that https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/joining-the-motorway-259 35 mph isn't enough to 'match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow...' Worth fighting it IMO[/QUOTE] And that is my argument. He said that there was snow and ice on the road which is total rubbish, seeing as it was 7 degrees and the snow had long gone. It's prompted me into buying a dash cam, which isn't right really to watch our own plod.
section 59 is like said anti social behavior and yes they can seize whatever they want and is basically used to get their figures up hard to fight as ur word against theirs dash cam best option
[QUOTE=foammanmark;759046]He said that there was snow and ice on the road which is total rubbish, seeing as it was 7 degrees and the snow had long gone. It's prompted me into buying a dash cam, which isn't right really to watch our own plod.[/QUOTE] had they got a camera in there car, if so ask for the footage & use that to show there was no snow/ice
[QUOTE=claymore;759042]I thought a section 59 was more to do with antisocial behavior. http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2010/07/15/what-is-a-section-59/[/QUOTE] and you are right for it, doing doughnuts in a public car park, you young rebel ( and on video)......lol
I had a section 59 for Mr police man not being able to catch me on the twistys in my Astra Gte 16v. Mr plod was in a v70 t5 too! Basically I'd of been done for dangerous driving if I hadn't pulled over when I'd seen the blue lights miles behind. Glad I did as he had my reg on camera from the previous village. I sold the car the very next day. I was on my last blast hence the driving a bit spirited. Think it lasts a year mark, you big boy racer!!
[QUOTE=foammanmark;759034]The copper set me up by driving at 35mph on the approach to a motorway, so I proceeded to overtake and got nicked. A dispute is on-going after I put a complaint in through the legal channels.[/QUOTE] Are you referring to the slip road when you say'approach to a motorway' ??? if so, then once past the sign at the bottom telling you it is a motorway, then the limit becomes 70. If it was, tell them to go ££££££.
Sounds a little bizzare to me, as mentioned section 59 is more as I understand a motoring ASBO. One experience I can relate to however was during an Emergency run in my Skoda Ambulance response car I noticed a car was following me through traffic and not stopping in an urban area, I watched a little while longer left the town for a national and accelerated up to speed, the car a Corsa then proceeded to overtake me in a 60 when I was already doing just under 80 on blues. I perceived his actions as dangerous and reckless so reported the driver from reg to the Police. The officer in charge of the investigation kept me in the loop and advised he was given a section 59, had he not admitted the offense however he would have been prosecuted for careless driving. Seems to me, telling off, speed awareness course or points would have been more appropriate in your case Mark. I'm sure we will have a resident Policeman who could offer solid guidance though.
December last year I got pulled over in the works van. I was on a dual carriageway inside lane was passing a on slip road, car came flying up slip road to join carriageway, on my right car next to me so I couldn't move over. so car on slip road had to hit his brakes then for the next couple of miles stayed behind me. Lights come on pulled over then, Mr officer came up to my window and started to say I should have moved over to let him join the carriageway, Then he seen the dash cam screen lit up stopped talking paused then said don't do that again and walked back to his car..:haha: dash cam worth every penny
i had a section 59 given to me some years back for 'revving my engine aggressively' this was in my Fiesta Si 2.0. what had actually happened was the taxi i was next to in stationary traffic attempted to move off into my lane while i was there when i set off and a quick blip on the throttle seemed more discreet than blasting the horn. Copper wasn't having any of it depsite being 4 cars in front. idiot.
That's what your horn is for :lol:
[QUOTE=zoidberg;759123]Are you referring to the slip road when you say'approach to a motorway' ??? if so, then once past the sign at the bottom telling you it is a motorway, then the limit becomes 70. If it was, tell them to go ££££££.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's a really long two lane stretch that joins the M65 at Blackburn. 70mph limit without a doubt, and if you're doing 70, then you will still get passed by people going a hell of a lot faster.
[QUOTE=The Flying Moose;759510]Sounds a little bizzare to me, as mentioned section 59 is more as I understand a motoring ASBO. One experience I can relate to however was during an Emergency run in my Skoda Ambulance response car I noticed a car was following me through traffic and not stopping in an urban area, I watched a little while longer left the town for a national and accelerated up to speed, the car a Corsa then proceeded to overtake me in a 60 when I was already doing just under 80 on blues. I perceived his actions as dangerous and reckless so reported the driver from reg to the Police. The officer in charge of the investigation kept me in the loop and advised he was given a section 59, had he not admitted the offense however he would have been prosecuted for careless driving. Seems to me, telling off, speed awareness course or points would have been more appropriate in your case Mark. I'm sure we will have a resident Policeman who could offer solid guidance though.[/QUOTE] A telling off or verbal warning is what he intended to give me as he admitted, but because I argued my case reasonably he gave me the S59. I basically had to agree that there was snow and ice on the carriageway to draw a line under the matter. There was absolutely no snow and ice as we had the biggest/quickest thaw you could imagine.
Been contacted by the PC's superior by e-mail, and they want to talk by phone. Can't see anything changing but got to be worth the chat.
had a few , only last a year ,av been told not to sign it as its a form of plending guilty, ££££houses
[QUOTE=leet5r;761038]had a few , only last a year ,av been told not to sign it as its a form of plending guilty, ££££houses[/QUOTE] I didn't have to sign anything, and was just given receipt type piece of paper. He did say that if it happened again in the next 12 months, then they take my car off me and I have to pay to get it back.
Right, this has reached it's conclusion now. Last Sunday night I had a knock at the door, and it was the PC's immediate superior who popped round for a chat and to fill forms in. If I want the S59 overturning then I have to take legal proceedings which I can't be bothered with. Therefore, the PC will be spoken to about my complaint and possibly retrained on his signalling and that is a line drawn under the matter.
If the S59 stands....you need to be on your very Bestest behaviour and no hooning for the next 12 months whichever car you're in ;) Doesn't seem fair tbh
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;762932]If the S59 stands....you need to be on your very Bestest behaviour and no hooning for the next 12 months whichever car you're in ;) Doesn't seem fair tbh[/QUOTE] Always on my bestest behaviour............somtimes For making my point I have the black mark against me for 11 months still.........
[QUOTE=foammanmark;762933] For making my point I have the black mark against me for 11 months still.........[/QUOTE] Like I say, doesn't seem fair that an experienced mature driver gets his wrists slapped, whilst you only need to drive down to the local McD's on a Friday night and find the local Chav brigade being total tw8ts and getting away with it.
[QUOTE=stephenevans99;762935]Like I say, doesn't seem fair that an experienced mature driver gets his wrists slapped, whilst you only need to drive down to the local McD's on a Friday night and find the local Chav brigade being total tw8ts and getting away with it.[/QUOTE] Less of the mature thank you!! I did put my foot down but all within the speed limits, and I did overtake the cop car, so I pissed him off and got done for it.
Right, a line is drawn under this now. The copper is no longer on traffic through his choice nothing to do with the issue with me, and I can only overturn the S59 If I take legal proceedings against the police, which I would never win. Still amazed at how they responded to my complaint, and I get some satisfaction from that. End of story.............
Moved before getting pushed ?.
Moral of the story, don't get lippy with plod. ;)
[QUOTE=stribo;776343]Moral of the story, don't get lippy with plod. ;)[/QUOTE] Yes, but also don't overtake them even within the speed limit.................... How often do you drive on the motorway, see a copper and drop your speed to 70, but other peeps still fly past?
I overtake coppers all the time.. Never worried me with a GPS speed of 77mph. S59s are a nightmare to fight.
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA;776346]I overtake coppers all the time.. Never worried me with a GPS speed of 77mph. S59s are a nightmare to fight.[/QUOTE] Have you had one as well?
Never...I drive like miss daisy everywhere...:B_steerin
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA;776350]Never...I drive like miss daisy everywhere...:B_steerin[/QUOTE] And I do now too...... V70Graham has serious competition.
Got pulled the other day for my exhaust once they found out it was all declared and also invited them to look over the car they then tried to say my tax was out so i showed them the vehicle check site run by the dvla he said he made a mis5ake how is this possible isnt it just a red green thing on their screen
I have never heard of an S59 and I have been done for just about every traffic violation known to man over the last thirty odd years. It is like an ASBO for drivers ? Surely all Corsa drivers should just receive one in the post with their V5 .
I got one of these a few month ago, In an under-ground car park and the v70 was making a little bit of a racket so the police decided to come and give me a telling off and because they had no proof of me doing anything they slapped me with a Section 59. Get 2 within a year and the vehicle gets taken off you, After a year it expires so you wont have it against you
[QUOTE=Orca2;776359]I have never heard of an S59 and I have been done for just about every traffic violation known to man over the last thirty odd years. It is like an ASBO for drivers ? Surely all Corsa drivers should just receive one in the post with their V5 .[/QUOTE] That is exactly what they are and work how Dan H says.
For a Section 59 to be issued, two separate criteria must be fulfilled: 1: If a motor vehicle is driven in way that causes alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public or is likely to AND 2A: If the driving is considered driving without reasonable consideration for others/driving without due care and attention OR 2B: If being driven off road In other words, to lawfully issue a Section 59, you need 1 AND either 2A or 2B. If one of the parts is missing, then you cannot be issued a Section 59.
Basically you need to be driving without Due Care and Attention or inconsiderate driving (which could quite easily been pushing in by doing dodgy lane changing an trying to jump a queue). My Force only give Section 59 along with a prosecution for an offence. The big Forces just hand then out like skittles without being prosecuted which to be fair was the reason the legislation was designed for. To save paperwork but as usual my Force makes a fudge of it.
[QUOTE=Timo.;776420]For a Section 59 to be issued, two separate criteria must be fulfilled: 1: If a motor vehicle is driven in way that causes alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public or is likely to AND 2A: If the driving is considered driving without reasonable consideration for others/driving without due care and attention OR 2B: If being driven off road In other words, to lawfully issue a Section 59, you need 1 AND either 2A or 2B. If one of the parts is missing, then you cannot be issued a Section 59.[/QUOTE] None of the above apply to my incident and the only driving to cause alarm was the way that he swerved in front of me with no indication, causing me alarm.
[QUOTE=foammanmark;776423]None of the above apply to my incident and the only driving to cause alarm was the way that he swerved in front of me with no indication, causing me alarm.[/QUOTE] Yeah I was making that point :)
[QUOTE=Timo.;776428]Yeah I was making that point :)[/QUOTE] Got you. 4 of the 12 months have already passed, so I will take extra care for another 8.................
I had the chance to talk to an officer about these today after being pulled for fast acceleration from 0 mph to 30 mph at the traffic lights he agreed I had not exceeded the speed limit but that he had the option to issue me a section 59 but wouldn't be at this time. I politely and apologetically inquired what this meant which he was kind enough to tell me. After telling me about the fact that accelerating from 0-30 rapidly can be taken as a cause of panic to the public I asked him about if what i had done breached either section 3 or section 34 of the RTA as from his description of the law this would be needed in conjunction with the cause of panic to the public and asked him to confirm if I had in deed broken section 3 or section 34 of the RTA as I wasnt aware that I had. He replied by saying I hadnt broke any law detailed in the RTA but had decided that a polite reminder of the laws would hopefully make me a better driver and keep me safe he also reminded me that should I have an accident that wasnt my fault, a member of the public may state it was and be a witness to the other party to say I was driving recklessly due to my rapid acceleration. I apologised for any panic I may have caused to the public and he sent me on my way.
Glad to hear that you weren't issued with an S59, but did you know the Police car was there joi(was that your usual sort of 0-30)?
I didnt know the police car was there he was in a side road just after the traffic lights and it was actually 30 mph as he pulled out right behind me and my 2nd gear syncro is buggered (new box going in september) so i don't rev past 4k in 1st as i cant switch to second without a long pause to wait for the revs to drop. I'm not saying I wasn't in the wrong as I accepted what I did could of been a cause of panic to the public and apologized for it. I just took the opportunity to clarify my understanding of the law and its use for which the officer stated he had the option to use against me. At no point was I confrontational or questioning the officers judgement and I thanked him for the information he provided. I have read elsewhere that the S59 is often use as a catch all if they don't have evidence of a law been broken and get the driver to accept a s59 out of ignorance as it isnt technically a driving conviction but from the description the officer provided and his confirmation that I hadn't broken any laws under the RTA, I was happy to be let off with some friendly advice and will take head in future.
[QUOTE=ExternalError;782324]I didnt know the police car was there he was in a side road just after the traffic lights and it was actually 30 mph as he pulled out right behind me and my 2nd gear syncro is buggered (new box going in september) so i dont rev past 5k as i cant switch to second without a long pause to wait for the revs to drop.[/QUOTE] So you would have been even quicker to 30 without the 2nd gear issue?
[QUOTE=foammanmark;782329]So you would have been even quicker to 30 without the 2nd gear issue?[/QUOTE] I may have and I may also have exceeded the speed limit if my synchro wasnt ££££ed due to being unable to control the rapid acceleration adequately but I will take his advice to heart in future and save the rapid acceleration for the drag strip
I thought devon and Cornwall police were bad lol jeez that's a bit harsh op, but youre best off staying behind the plod I don't even like overtaking them on the motorway I just stay back until they decide to pish off to their next cup of tea and doughnut or dominos pizza they seem keen on those always in there scoffing
should have got his badge number and tell him you were reporting him, if it was an area car (a noddy car) they have no cams fitted so its his word against yours. If its a traffic car - more trouble as they are tooled up (ANPR, VASCAR etc)! On approach to a motorway (was it the slip road?) A speed safe to MERGE with the traffic flow is required (more like 60 - 70) so he sounds off the case and just having a go?
[QUOTE=JUDGENINJA;776350]Never...I drive like miss daisy everywhere...:B_steerin[/QUOTE] Yes I do remember someone overtook me in a yellow volvo leaving the swedish day,looking like they were trying to be some were else before they left..:confused:
[QUOTE=Tee5alive;782469]should have got his badge number and tell him you were reporting him, if it was an area car (a noddy car) they have no cams fitted so its his word against yours. If its a traffic car - more trouble as they are tooled up (ANPR, VASCAR etc)! On approach to a motorway (was it the slip road?) A speed safe to MERGE with the traffic flow is required (more like 60 - 70) so he sounds off the case and just having a go?[/QUOTE] You're talking about my issue here aren't you I presume? If so, this was exactly my point to his superior, and the swerve in front of me without indication beggared belief. Anyway, 6 months into the 12 months and I've tried to move on from this incident.................grudgingly.