Advise on suspension/brake mods
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Post 765545 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 16:54:24
Right, now I've decided to keep the car I am thinking of upgrading the brakes and suspension and just wanted some advise/recommendations/off topic posts (delete as applicable) :)
Suspension wise I currently have stock shocks, god knows how old the fronts are (rears are 3 years old), and cheapish 30mm lowering springs, the ride does 'crash around' a bit and I put this down to worn shocks.
I have asked a couple of people who have come up with either bc coilovers or Koni FSD's and some Eibach pro springs, I am put off the coilovers however as I'm lead to believe they need to be rebuilt every couple of years and don't really like winter weather.
As for the brakes I have 280mm disks and standard pads (genuine Volvo) and even I have experienced brake fade after only a few stops from high (70mph officer) speeds.
As replacements I am looking at the AP Racing set up, any comments, or indeed any alternatives I should think about ?
As always, thank you for your time.
Post 765546 by mike 850 on 2015-03-27 16:57:44
Id probably say new shocks and 302 brakes, for the best cost effectiveness, I think brakes can start getting really costly beyond this? thats the setup I am going for
Post 765549 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 17:06:49
Just been told my brakes may well be 302mm.....they're still pants !
Post 765551 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-27 17:11:59
302 mm front discs were pretty good on my S70 T5...Steve Sideways says he sees some brake fade with them but I never did. Different driving styles or fluid needing a change maybe. The AP brakes are good of course but maybe over the top just for the road...plus I thought you would need spacers or 7.5J wheels to get 17" wheels over them..?
My S70R has Koni's & Eibach springs, much more controlled than standard T5 set up and from memory no harsher than standard R suspension. I take it yours doesn't have Nivomats at the back.
Quality coilovers and AP brakes would be nice but my vote would be 302s and Koni's/Eibach. Changing the fluid & fitting braided lines might be worth it if not done already.
Post 765555 by Nealevo on 2015-03-27 17:21:57
For you, koni yellow and eibach lowering springs would be a good combo, but if it was my money id buy the bc's as they are brilliant for the cost, they are adjustable for comfort to hard and if you ever venture onto a track 1/4 mile then its a 10 second job to adjust.
Brake wise, forget the APs, they ain't much better than the set up I had before. The xc90 set up that is available is cheap and good.just get some decent pads...
Post 765557 by Doingitsideways on 2015-03-27 17:31:33
I agree with above, only go for coilovers if you either intend on giving it a fair bit of stick on track, or want to go really low with your ride height.
Brakes, the 302s are ok, but I found they faded badly when giving it a lot of stick down a *cough* private country lane, at which point the discs warped pretty badly.
Could have possibly been because I have no heatshield under my servo, so cooked the fluid. Pretty sure my turbo would have been glowing red hot that day!
I'm toying with the XC90 set up when funds allow. Looks like a nice conversion :)
Post 765560 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 17:38:02
Koni yellow's Neal, not the FSD's ? I thought you rated them highly.
I'm after a better suspension set up than stock but as I'm getting on a bit of comfort would be nice.
What does the XC90 set up comprise of and any idea on price ?
Post 765569 by t5 pete on 2015-03-27 18:07:26
Can i have first dibs please on your APs once you've fitted them.
Suspension if you want a smooth ride koni fsd with STANDARD springs.
B6 shocks are a nice option aswell.
For your self i would buy some new v70r springs 20mm drop.
Brakes
302's with decent pads
320 mm v50 t5 brake set up
Or APs but way over kill
Post 765570 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 18:11:07
[QUOTE=t5 pete;765569]Can i have first dibs please on your APs once you've fitted them[/QUOTE]
Just spat Diet Coke over the cat......and the answers 'No' lol
Post 765571 by Shinsplintz 101 on 2015-03-27 18:12:23
Id go with kw 2 suspension, volvo 302 w police spec pads , braided hoses & fresh fluid. Set the front suspension slightly stiffer than standard & it gives the whole car a much more rigid feel under heavy breaking. The kws are a fair chunk of money (twice the cost of bc's) but supposedly very good- I'm getting a set very soon to replace the gaz set up on mine - I've found good suspension (albeit firm) is the key to good brakes & unless you thrash it's around a track(hopefully not with that lovely paintwork) you'll never notice any breakfade with a good 302 set up on fast roads.
Post 765573 by Doingitsideways on 2015-03-27 18:30:25
Perhaps it's just me.
I did manage to cook the brakes on my S80 T6 also, different private country lane that time, but same lunatic behind the wheel.
Not sure what they run as standard, 320s maybe? Either way they're really good until you find yourself ploughing over a private T junction!
As Jamesy says, I'd make an excellent destruction tester ;)
Post 765574 by Nealevo on 2015-03-27 18:38:52
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765560]Koni yellow's Neal, not the FSD's ? I thought you rated them highly.
I'm after a better suspension set up than stock but as I'm getting on a bit of comfort would be nice.
What does the XC90 set up comprise of and any idea on price ?[/QUOTE]
i did rate them highly for comfort mate, and even though they are not designed for lowering springs the ride was excellent, and body control was much improved over standard. it was just suggested to me once id fitted the FSDs that Koni Yellow would be more suitable, as they are designed to go with lowering springs.
This is what Andy has on his R.
The XC90 set up has just been completed by Stephen Evans on his fake R diseasel
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?59244-Fitting-XC90-Calipers-amp-336mm-Discs-to-S60-V70&highlight=xc90+brakes
Its pretty much the same setup as i used to run, now being run by Pete, they have just upgraded the parts.
Post 765575 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 18:50:10
Doesn't look like it will fit P1's
Post 765578 by Ettienne on 2015-03-27 18:58:38
I've got yellow on eibachs on the 855r and had them previously on another 855r, very good indeed
Post 765579 by t5 pete on 2015-03-27 18:59:38
Nope the xc90 with not fit what so ever it's the v50 t5 320 mm x25mm kit that will fit and ash dvs sells adapters
Post 765580 by LiamT4 on 2015-03-27 18:59:49
AP's are way over the top for most road driving, but they look damn good.
Post 765582 by stribo on 2015-03-27 19:35:54
Get a P2R, adjustable suspension, and big brakes as standard. ;)
Post 765584 by Ettienne on 2015-03-27 19:48:05
The gul is on b6s and lesjford springs, pretty good also but I think the koni yellows are better
Post 765585 by merc85 on 2015-03-27 20:03:01
I thought the Ap's were awesome on my 850R, also Koni's for shocks ;)
Post 765587 by MIKESC70T5 on 2015-03-27 20:23:56
I had fsd's and eibachs on my old t5r along with 18" pegs and the ride was fine. As for brakes, a big brake kit makes a massive difference plus they look good lol. I went for the porsche option on my old C70 which came in a lot cheaper than an AP kit.
Post 765589 by LiamT4 on 2015-03-27 20:27:37
As a good all round shock for a non track car, the koni yellows are supposed to be very good and i've not heard a bad word against them.
Post 765590 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-27 20:33:36
People seem to be split 50:50 Koni yellow's or FSD's.....main differences ?
Post 765591 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-27 20:52:00
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765590]People seem to be split 50:50 Koni yellow's or FSD's.....main differences ?[/QUOTE]
Discussion on the above question - http://forums.t5d5.org/topic/22112-koni-yellows-or-koni-fsd/
and some sales blurb on the same
http://www.koni.com/car-racing/technology/faq/
It all seems to be saying the Yellows would be a little firmer.
Post 765600 by jdavis on 2015-03-27 22:45:26
http://www.dvs.net.au/320conv.html
These and v50 t5 callipers and disks.
Heard good reviews about konis, and BC coilovers, depends really if you want a fast road car or a track car for the road
Post 765607 by Biff on 2015-03-28 00:04:47
I've had Koni yellows on various cars & never had a problem with them. So smooth, no crashing & excellent handling even on the softest setting.
As for 302's I think genuine discs & ferrodo ds2500 pads were great for me as I don't hammer my brakes, in all honesty with your captain slow status I feel you could be just paying for the look of the ap's.
Good to see you keeping it mate! ;)
Hope I get to keep mine! :(
Post 765608 by AcidicDavey on 2015-03-28 00:22:01
I'm happy with 302s on my car, yes you can make them fade, I cooked them in the fog and rain through the Welsh Mountains, Steve you are not alone lol :D
But when you're not driving like a complete tool they're fine. I've got Brembo discs, genuine pads.
Suspension wise I'm running KW V2s and to be honest they're not that great, the ride is a bit bumpy. I've got iPD anti roll bars too which are maybe too stiff.
I wouldn't recommend the setup I've got! ...but then maybe that's just me.
Post 765619 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 06:18:46
302 are rubbish, pad contact area is laughable small, tiny pistons and tiny discs, they overheat quickly and I'd say almost dangerous, especially on fast heavy cars.
I'm temporarily putting 316mm on my olive to get it up and running, I deem those acceptable.
I brake very late, something most people tell me as a passenger, maybe because I raced and rode bikes first, I'd go for the 320s ash dvs set up as it fits under everything and is cheap.
My rear brakes make a lot more breaking force than the 302s.
Post 765620 by Redbrick on 2015-03-28 06:18:47
[QUOTE=AcidicDavey;765608]
Suspension wise I'm running KW V2s and to be honest they're not that great, the ride is a bit bumpy. I've got iPD anti roll bars too which are maybe too stiff.[/QUOTE]
Set too low, set too hard? What tyre size are you running? Were they new to you?
Post 765627 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 07:46:50
[QUOTE=AcidicDavey;765608]Suspension wise I'm running KW V2s and to be honest they're not that great, the ride is a bit bumpy. I've got iPD anti roll bars too which are maybe too stiff.
I wouldn't recommend the setup I've got! ...but then maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Redbrick;765620]Set too low, set too hard? What tyre size are you running? Were they new to you?[/QUOTE]
I'd be interested to know the answer to that cos was considering changing my current FSDs to either Bilstein B6/Koni Yellows (eibach springs) or maybe KW coilovers. KWs seemed to be twice the price of anything else...no wish to fit them & not be happy.
Maybe you need them setting up Davey - corner weights, ride height etc. In your area I know John Price can do it
Post 765631 by Biff on 2015-03-28 08:04:51
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765619]302 are rubbish, pad contact area is laughable small, tiny pistons and tiny discs, they overheat quickly and I'd say almost dangerous, especially on fast heavy cars.
I'm temporarily putting 316mm on my olive to get it up and running, I deem those acceptable.
I brake very late, something most people tell me as a passenger, maybe because I raced and rode bikes first, I'd go for the 320s ash dvs set up as it fits under everything and is cheap.
My rear brakes make a lot more breaking force than the 302s.[/QUOTE]
You've answered yourself there Steve. You use your brakes hard so they can't cope. My point was I don't tend to stand on my middle peddle & can't see Graham doing it either.
Only time I'd upgrade was if I was using it regular on the track.
Post 765634 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 08:13:33
They are imho barely passable for everyday and I don't track drive and wouldn't have 302s other than awaiting an upgrade, for the cost difference (which is small) the 320s are the best bet by far.
Post 765637 by MIKESC70T5 on 2015-03-28 08:22:49
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765634]They are imho barely passable for everyday and I don't track drive and wouldn't have 302s other than awaiting an upgrade, for the cost difference (which is small) the 320s are the best bet by far.[/QUOTE]
You need to learn how to drive then :saythat:
Post 765641 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-28 08:47:20
[QUOTE=jdavis;765600]http://www.dvs.net.au/320conv.html
These and v50 t5 callipers and disks.
[/QUOTE]
Link doesn't seem to be working atm
Post 765642 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 08:48:04
I'm doing ok 21 years no accidents thanks.
Post 765646 by Yosser on 2015-03-28 08:58:45
In my experience the 302 setup can be perfectly acceptable, even for some track use.
Prior to fitting the AP brakes to the s70r I did several track outings on the 302's without issue.
Pad and fluid choice will have a considerable effect.
I've had downright dangerous standard brakes and I've had excellent standard brakes, pads made the difference.
Post 765647 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 09:14:56
I've used decent fluid, pads, and braided lines, still no happy but obviously things improve, the Gul 855 even had new calipers and hangers.
Volvo upgraded for a reason from 280 / 302 and increased piston size for less power cars that some even weigh less.
Another problem is the servo, very low assistance on the p1s the 940 servo works much better and even that has 320s
Low assistance probably better for track driving though.
P1s are very good cars but old technology ref suspension and brakes.
Post 765652 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-28 09:33:21
[QUOTE=Yosser;765646]
Pad and fluid choice will have a considerable effect. [/QUOTE]
Any recommendations.....
Post 765656 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 09:48:30
Even replacing the existing fluid new dot 4 will help as it's something that's often over looked.
I've been using ate super blue
Post 765662 by Yosser on 2015-03-28 10:10:57
ATE super blue is what I've used in the past, although it's been discontinued due to eu meddling.
I had success with ebc yellowstuff and ferodo ds2500 but I'm assured the carbotech compounds are far superior.
Ebc redstuff ceramic is singularly the worst braking experience I've ever had.
Post 765663 by Jamest5r on 2015-03-28 10:37:44
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765641]Link doesn't seem to be working atm[/QUOTE]
Has used all available bandwidth on the website this month it will be back up beginning of April or contact him via fb :)
Post 765664 by AshDVS on 2015-03-28 10:42:46
[QUOTE=Nealevo;765574]i did rate them highly for comfort mate, and even though they are not designed for lowering springs the ride was excellent, and body control was much improved over standard. it was just suggested to me once id fitted the FSDs that Koni Yellow would be more suitable, as they are designed to go with lowering springs.
This is what Andy has on his R.
The XC90 set up has just been completed by Stephen Evans on his fake R diseasel
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?59244-Fitting-XC90-Calipers-amp-336mm-Discs-to-S60-V70&highlight=xc90+brakes
Its pretty much the same setup as i used to run, now being run by Pete, they have just upgraded the parts.[/QUOTE]
This is a good, budget conversion. It's well done and will make a nice difference over stock. It just won't work on a P80 850/C70/S70/V70.
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765575]Doesn't look like it will fit P1's[/QUOTE]
Correct.
[QUOTE=t5 pete;765579]Nope the xc90 with not fit what so ever it's the v50 t5 320 mm x25mm kit that will fit and ash dvs sells adapters[/QUOTE]
The 320mm conversion that we offer is visually similar to the calipers in the links above, fitted to the S60.
It uses the rotor and caliper from a S40/V50T5 AWD or LS-LV Ford Focus ST.
It requires zero modification to the vehicle and is a bolt-on solution. It requires minor machine work to the donor hardware. Super simple.
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765590]People seem to be split 50:50 Koni yellow's or FSD's.....main differences ?[/QUOTE]
FSD are a good fit for standard ride height but not great for lowered ride height - they typically get rattley quite quickly and ride a little harsher than they should.
The Koni Sport Adjustable yellows are very good - I'd go for these or a Bilstein B6.
I'd suggest H&R springs too as they're ride just a little better than the Eibach (not much in it, the Eibach will likely be better suited than the H&R for a track day though. It is noticably a little firmer).
[QUOTE=jdavis;765600]http://www.dvs.net.au/320conv.html
These and v50 t5 callipers and disks.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765641]Link doesn't seem to be working atm[/QUOTE]
Our website has been popular this month, we've exceed our bandwidth limit. It'll be back up on April 1st. Happy to answer any questions via PM if you like.
[QUOTE=Yosser;765662]ATE super blue is what I've used in the past, although it's been discontinued due to eu meddling.
I had success with ebc yellowstuff and ferodo ds2500 but I'm assured the carbotech compounds are far superior.
Ebc redstuff ceramic is singularly the worst braking experience I've ever had.[/QUOTE]
You could also use Motul RBF600 too.
There are some good pad options from Project Mu and Hawk as well for the 320mm brakes.
Post 765665 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 10:46:27
[QUOTE=Yosser;765662]ATE super blue is what I've used in the past, although it's been discontinued due to eu meddling.
I had success with ebc yellowstuff and ferodo ds2500 but I'm assured the carbotech compounds are far superior.
Ebc redstuff ceramic is singularly the worst braking experience I've ever had.[/QUOTE]
Still available on eBay, I had ebc yellows not brill (but I do think that was my particular pads).
Gen Volvo pads are pretty good, ferrodo, brembo, ds2500 are pads I've tried plus cheapies.
Post 765666 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 10:49:24
[QUOTE=Nealevo;765574]i did rate them highly for comfort mate, and even though they are not designed for lowering springs the ride was excellent, and body control was much improved over standard. it was just suggested to me once id fitted the FSDs that Koni Yellow would be more suitable, as they are designed to go with lowering springs.
This is what Andy has on his R.
The XC90 set up has just been completed by Stephen Evans on his fake R diseasel
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?59244-Fitting-XC90-Calipers-amp-336mm-Discs-to-S60-V70&highlight=xc90+brakes
Its pretty much the same setup as i used to run, now being run by Pete, they have just upgraded the parts.[/QUOTE]
These can be fitted, but requires a bracket, not an easy thing to do but Ive got a template I made up, however I wouldn't bother may as well fit the 320s and save the hassle.
Post 765667 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 10:55:19
I stumbled across some brakes off a standard car that with minimal (I do mean minimal) work fit on standard hubs
330mm discs.
Only issue was I was using a 4 pot and offset (caliper width) was too much, but same manufacturer uses single and double pistons as well, which would fit only reason I didn't was I'd already bought calipers etc.
Post 765670 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 11:41:42
Just to further confuse things on coilovers - Gaz also do a set for P80 cars...Gaz Gold. Available from Don at Kalmar Union (I think they are the same, I've asked him)
http://kalmar-union.com/parts/volvo-850_s70_v70_c70-suspension/
http://www.gazshocks.com/products/gaz-gold-coilover-kits
larger diameter strut bodies than KW & BC, as far as I can make out. PLus more choice with spring rates
//edit
I just asked KW if they had any advice for spring rates/any feedback from customers for S70's..no....but they do offer different rates if you ask
Post 765678 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 12:53:20
(Raining here) Just mocked up the standard caliper (280) on the 320mm disc. It's about 2-3 off top of disc and if I used a 302 hanger it would be pretty much perfect for a 336mm xc90 disc, that would fit under Volans, using later xc90 pads etc would take up the unswept area.
Food for thought although I'd have to check fitment over the discs for width
Post 765682 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 13:20:56
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765678](Raining here) Just mocked up the standard caliper (280) on the 320mm disc. It's about 2-3 off top of disc and if I used a 302 hanger it would be pretty much perfect for a 336mm xc90 disc, that would fit under Volans, using later xc90 pads etc would take up the unswept area.
Food for thought although I'd have to check fitment over the discs for width[/QUOTE]
I thought you said 280/302 calipers were crap....my T5 had 302s on, no problem with brake fade around Harewood Hillclimb although tbf that is a short track
Post 765683 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 13:34:43
If you also read "just for mot" until I fit 350 4 pots, and it's just something i was pointing out for people who are happy with lesser brakes, I also said using xc90 pads 50% bigger than 850 pads.
So eliminating most of the problems with the crappy original brakes. Bigger discs, bigger pad area.
Post 765687 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 13:43:03
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765683]If you also read "just for mot" until I fit 350 4 pots, and it's just something i was pointing out for people who are happy with lesser brakes, I also said using xc90 pads 50% bigger than 850 pads.
So eliminating most of the problems with the crappy original brakes. Bigger discs, bigger pad area.[/QUOTE]
look at the OP's car :)...he doesn't do things just for the MOT
Post 765690 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 14:15:40
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765687]look at the OP's car :)...he doesn't do things just for the MOT[/QUOTE]
That's not what you asked me.
I've made my suggestion which is to remove the rubbish calipers on small discs and replace with 320s and bigger piston calipers
Post 765694 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 14:47:53
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765690]That's not what you asked me.
I've made my suggestion which is to remove the rubbish calipers on small discs and replace with 320s and bigger piston calipers[/QUOTE]
aye that's what pete said in post #8 :lol:
Post 765695 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 14:53:24
[QUOTE=AcidicDavey;765608]I'm happy with 302s on my car, yes you can make them fade, I cooked them in the fog and rain through the Welsh Mountains, Steve you are not alone lol :D
But when you're not driving like a complete tool they're fine. I've got Brembo discs, genuine pads.
Suspension wise I'm running KW V2s and to be honest they're not that great, the ride is a bit bumpy. I've got iPD anti roll bars too which are maybe too stiff.
I wouldn't recommend the setup I've got! ...but then maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised you say that mate. KW V2's are widely regarded as the number one option for our cars. Perhaps they need setting up properly? Did you buy them new? or are they and old set, maybe past their best?
Post 765696 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 14:58:04
[QUOTE=S70T5Chris;765695]I'm surprised you say that mate. KW V2's are widely regarded as the number one option for our cars. Perhaps they need setting up properly? Did you buy them new? or are they and old set, maybe past their best?[/QUOTE]
Chris on your white T5 you fitted BC coilovers? Are the KW2/3 's really worth the extra money..? They seem very expensive
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oops it's an R..! Didn't mean to offend :). Open question then, to anyone - are KWs really worth choosing over the BCs/Gaz...seeing as how they are a good few hundred quid more?
Post 765697 by t5 pete on 2015-03-28 15:31:01
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765694]aye that's what pete said in post #8 :lol:[/QUOTE]
James mate the amount of stuff i recommend and then it gets recommend again and again in the same thread it's unreal.
Post 765698 by t5 pete on 2015-03-28 15:33:08
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765696]Chris on your white T5 you fitted BC coilovers? Are the KW2/3 's really worth the extra money..? They seem very expensive
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oops it's an R..! Didn't mean to offend :). Open question then, to anyone - are KWs really worth choosing over the BCs/Gaz...seeing as how they are a good few hundred quid more?[/QUOTE]
Haha it is really just a white t5 with r bits.
Sorry Chris but now your I the R club you minds well get the stick we all do
Post 765700 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 15:45:37
[QUOTE=t5 pete;765698]Haha it is really just a white t5 with r bits.
Sorry Chris but now your I the R club you minds well get the stick we all do[/QUOTE]
nice bits though :)
this thread has got me thinking about coilovers now...! If that group buy reappears I could be up for it
Post 765701 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 15:55:52
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765545]Right, now I've decided to keep the car I am thinking of upgrading the brakes and suspension and just wanted some advise/recommendations/off topic posts (delete as applicable) :)
Suspension wise I currently have stock shocks, god knows how old the fronts are (rears are 3 years old), and cheapish 30mm lowering springs, the ride does 'crash around' a bit and I put this down to worn shocks.
I have asked a couple of people who have come up with either bc coilovers or Koni FSD's and some Eibach pro springs, I am put off the coilovers however as I'm lead to believe they need to be rebuilt every couple of years and don't really like winter weather.
As for the brakes I have 280mm disks and standard pads (genuine Volvo) and even I have experienced brake fade after only a few stops from high (70mph officer) speeds.
As replacements I am looking at the AP Racing set up, any comments, or indeed any alternatives I should think about ?
As always, thank you for your time.[/QUOTE]
So many options! I guess it all depends on what you want from the car?
Here would be my favourite options, depending on what you want from the car:
Suspension:
Koni FSD (not suitable for lowering springs) & new standard Volvo springs (may be R equipment?) - This would be your most comfortable option. If your current setup is a mixture of old and cheap gear, then a factory refresh will make the world of difference. FSD's are a nice alternative to using factory shocks.
Bilstein B6's & H&R lowering springs - A pretty expensive option, especially if you want to replace top mounts as well, this will probably run well over £1k in parts. But will retain most of the comfort as the above option, plus the addition of a more planted sporty feel. H&R springs would be my number 1 choice of lowering springs. The most expensive (approx £275 a set) of the lowering spring options, but performance and comfort from these springs is second to none.
Koni Yellow kit - Excellent value for money, roughly £650. Complete kit with adjustable shocks and matching lowering springs. You could just buy the shocks, and use the H&R springs. The shocks are adjustable rebound damping with the twist of a knob, so you can have a play to set the ride how hard you want. But even on max soft i think they would be harsher than either of the above options. But by no means crashy or back breaking. I remember being in a mates 850 a few years ago with these set quite hard, and the car handled beautifully, but for everyday use the way he had it would soon get son your tits.
BC BR Series Coilovers (not the V1's!) - The absolute best value suspension you could spend your money on. Fully adjustable ride height and damping. The kit includes top mounts, the fronts are camber adjustable too. They're very good quality, and as far as I know no-one has had to have any shocks rebuilt. The ride can be set as soft or hard as you require, but as above the unlikely to the the same level of comfort as FSD/B6's. Obviously you have a fair amount of height adjustment also, but the key to getting them to ride nice is not to go too mad on lowering the car. My 850 is set roughly standard ride height with the shocks set sensibly in the middle somewhere. The ride is firm ish, but not crashy, and copes with bumps in the road well. Yet rag it round a bend, and it feels planted and level (granted I do also have an IPD rear ARB), it's a very nice all round set up IMO.
KW Variant 2 Coilovers - The best of the best! Fully adjustable, superb quality. When set up properly, (and to quote Mr W!) The best way to describe the ride is like driving a modern new car. Comfortable, stable yet firm and capable, they absolutely tick all the boxes. But they come with the price tag too. Once you factor in top mounts, you'll probably be looking at £1500 ish. Again the key to get the ride right, is to not be drawn into the temptation of slamming the car, which is where most people go wrong with coilovers.
[B][U]Brakes:
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It all depends on what you want to achieve. Decent brakes for the road? Decent brakes for the road and track? Just a bit of bling?
302's - 302mm brakes, using genuine Volvo discs and Genuine Volvo pads, with decent new fluid (I use ATE Superblue). That will be plenty good enough for the road. I doubt you'd ever get in enough trouble on the road to have any issue with a good 302 setup. If you do, your driving way to fast for the road! You always have the option to upgrade the pads to DS2500's if you prefer, which will improve them and cut down on the possibility of fade.
Using V50 or XC90 or other retro fitted Volvo brakes as mentioned above - I don't really know anything about. So can't really comment.
Brembo "Big Reds" - As used on the Porsche 993tt. Not to be confused with other, cheaper Brembo calipers. I had these on my S70. They were stunning. Using S60R discs, and Ferodo DS2500 pads, I never had one issue at all, ever, on any track day. And ask anyone who knows my driving style, I batter the brakes! LOL! They're an excellent option, as replacement discs and pads are very sensibly priced. Plus, piece the kit together, and you'll never lose a penny, you'll always be able to sell them for what you bought them for. They are an excellent option. They work as well as anything else and give a huge amount of bling also. Only downside is the wheel clearance. You end up with quite a large spacer if you wanted to use the comets. That's why most of the guys using this or similar set ups use an aftermarket wheel with quite a deep offset. My Pro Race 1.2's were 17x8 ET38. Genuine 17" Pegs do clear these brakes however, just! But they are like rocking horse poo. Having said that, Redbrick just sold a set and I believe will have another set for sale shortly.
AP's - The ultimate, I guess. But most expensive! Over £2k if you buy a kit from someone. But can be pieced together for a lot less, that's what I did with my 850. Calipers aren't hard to find, I got mine from Ebay for £400ish. Discs from Reyland are excellent value @ approx £250 a set, and DS2500 pads are only a little over £100! Bells and brackets are a bit more of a pain to organize, but can be done, as that's what I did. Including a refurb in my choice of colour, my complete kit with all new components came out at about £1300. As above these brakes will do what ever you require from them on the road or track, and add plenty of bling to boot. Not so much clearance issue as the Big Reds, some Volvo 17's will clear without spacers. Although, if you're not going on a track running a small spacer isn't exactly an issue.
Cheaper Brembos - There have been a few kits pieced together using Boxster calipers or Renault calipers or similar. Braking performance isn't going to be as high as the AP kit or the Big Reds kit, but still going to be a good improvement over a standard 302 set up. And fairly cheap too. If I was going to be using the car on a track a lot, I'm not sure I'd run with any of these options. But for the road, ideal, and blingy too.
Hope that helps a bit!
Post 765702 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 16:01:13
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765696]Chris on your white T5 you fitted BC coilovers? Are the KW2/3 's really worth the extra money..? They seem very expensive
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oops it's an R..! Didn't mean to offend :). Open question then, to anyone - are KWs really worth choosing over the BCs/Gaz...seeing as how they are a good few hundred quid more?[/QUOTE]
No offence taken mate! A white R is so RARE everyone can be forgiven for thinking it's a mediocre T5! LOL!
It's a bloody hard question to answer. They're well over twice the price. Are the better, yes. The do ride better than BC's. but BC's aren't bad at all if set up correctly. I went with BC's, so you know what my choice would be!
Gaz are supposed to be very good also. However I've heard of issues with the shocks meaning they have to be rebuilt. This is done FOC by GAZ, but it's agrovation.
Post 765703 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 16:02:08
[QUOTE=t5 pete;765698]Haha it is really just a white t5 with r bits.
[/QUOTE]
Faaaarkk Ooooorrrrrrrffffff! LOL!
Tim calls it an Ex-plod. He's just Jel. :D
Post 765706 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 16:13:51
I had bc's on the 854 t5r very good but still prefer koni yellows
Post 765707 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 16:15:26
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765694]aye that's what pete said in post #8 :lol:[/QUOTE]
I didn't realise anyone but myself had used the ashdvs set up?
He uses different discs and calipers on his 320s
Post 765711 by Jamest5r on 2015-03-28 17:01:23
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765700]nice bits though :)
this thread has got me thinking about coilovers now...! If that group buy reappears I could be up for it[/QUOTE]
And me I'd be in :)
Post 765716 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 17:10:07
[QUOTE=Jamest5r;765711]And me I'd be in :)[/QUOTE]
Didn't Wobbly attempt to sort a group buy for BC's a while ago? I think it fell flat on it's face. The BC's are so cheap anyway, I don't think there's a lot of room for movement. I got mine from Larkspeed for approx £650 delivered.
Post 765718 by Nealevo on 2015-03-28 17:12:03
I phoned them up direct and got a little discount, it wasn't worth the hassle of the extra £10 I'd have saved for a group buy.
Post 765724 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 17:38:56
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765707]I didn't realise anyone but myself had used the ashdvs set up?
He uses different discs and calipers on his 320s[/QUOTE]
I'm not having a dig Steve, I just don't understand what you have suggested - you've mentioned a few different sized discs, and I see Graham as someone who will do a whole load of research before fitting the best he can find in a kit/in one go and leaving it on.
(...maybe only leaving on for one week!!)
Pete suggested V50 items...if you are saying use something else maybe I missed the idea of it
Post 765727 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-28 17:52:56
[QUOTE=S70T5Chris;765701]So many options! I guess it all depends on what you want from the car?
Here would be my favourite options, depending on what you want from the car:
Suspension:
Koni FSD (not suitable for lowering springs) & new standard Volvo springs (may be R equipment?) - This would be your most comfortable option. If your current setup is a mixture of old and cheap gear, then a factory refresh will make the world of difference. FSD's are a nice alternative to using factory shocks.
Bilstein B6's & H&R lowering springs - A pretty expensive option, especially if you want to replace top mounts as well, this will probably run well over £1k in parts. But will retain most of the comfort as the above option, plus the addition of a more planted sporty feel. H&R springs would be my number 1 choice of lowering springs. The most expensive (approx £275 a set) of the lowering spring options, but performance and comfort from these springs is second to none.
Koni Yellow kit - Excellent value for money, roughly £650. Complete kit with adjustable shocks and matching lowering springs. You could just buy the shocks, and use the H&R springs. The shocks are adjustable rebound damping with the twist of a knob, so you can have a play to set the ride how hard you want. But even on max soft i think they would be harsher than either of the above options. But by no means crashy or back breaking. I remember being in a mates 850 a few years ago with these set quite hard, and the car handled beautifully, but for everyday use the way he had it would soon get son your tits.
BC BR Series Coilovers (not the V1's!) - The absolute best value suspension you could spend your money on. Fully adjustable ride height and damping. The kit includes top mounts, the fronts are camber adjustable too. They're very good quality, and as far as I know no-one has had to have any shocks rebuilt. The ride can be set as soft or hard as you require, but as above the unlikely to the the same level of comfort as FSD/B6's. Obviously you have a fair amount of height adjustment also, but the key to getting them to ride nice is not to go too mad on lowering the car. My 850 is set roughly standard ride height with the shocks set sensibly in the middle somewhere. The ride is firm ish, but not crashy, and copes with bumps in the road well. Yet rag it round a bend, and it feels planted and level (granted I do also have an IPD rear ARB), it's a very nice all round set up IMO.
KW Variant 2 Coilovers - The best of the best! Fully adjustable, superb quality. When set up properly, (and to quote Mr W!) The best way to describe the ride is like driving a modern new car. Comfortable, stable yet firm and capable, they absolutely tick all the boxes. But they come with the price tag too. Once you factor in top mounts, you'll probably be looking at £1500 ish. Again the key to get the ride right, is to not be drawn into the temptation of slamming the car, which is where most people go wrong with coilovers.
[B][U]Brakes:
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It all depends on what you want to achieve. Decent brakes for the road? Decent brakes for the road and track? Just a bit of bling?
302's - 302mm brakes, using genuine Volvo discs and Genuine Volvo pads, with decent new fluid (I use ATE Superblue). That will be plenty good enough for the road. I doubt you'd ever get in enough trouble on the road to have any issue with a good 302 setup. If you do, your driving way to fast for the road! You always have the option to upgrade the pads to DS2500's if you prefer, which will improve them and cut down on the possibility of fade.
Using V50 or XC90 or other retro fitted Volvo brakes as mentioned above - I don't really know anything about. So can't really comment.
Brembo "Big Reds" - As used on the Porsche 993tt. Not to be confused with other, cheaper Brembo calipers. I had these on my S70. They were stunning. Using S60R discs, and Ferodo DS2500 pads, I never had one issue at all, ever, on any track day. And ask anyone who knows my driving style, I batter the brakes! LOL! They're an excellent option, as replacement discs and pads are very sensibly priced. Plus, piece the kit together, and you'll never lose a penny, you'll always be able to sell them for what you bought them for. They are an excellent option. They work as well as anything else and give a huge amount of bling also. Only downside is the wheel clearance. You end up with quite a large spacer if you wanted to use the comets. That's why most of the guys using this or similar set ups use an aftermarket wheel with quite a deep offset. My Pro Race 1.2's were 17x8 ET38. Genuine 17" Pegs do clear these brakes however, just! But they are like rocking horse poo. Having said that, Redbrick just sold a set and I believe will have another set for sale shortly.
AP's - The ultimate, I guess. But most expensive! Over £2k if you buy a kit from someone. But can be pieced together for a lot less, that's what I did with my 850. Calipers aren't hard to find, I got mine from Ebay for £400ish. Discs from Reyland are excellent value @ approx £250 a set, and DS2500 pads are only a little over £100! Bells and brackets are a bit more of a pain to organize, but can be done, as that's what I did. Including a refurb in my choice of colour, my complete kit with all new components came out at about £1300. As above these brakes will do what ever you require from them on the road or track, and add plenty of bling to boot. Not so much clearance issue as the Big Reds, some Volvo 17's will clear without spacers. Although, if you're not going on a track running a small spacer isn't exactly an issue.
Cheaper Brembos - There have been a few kits pieced together using Boxster calipers or Renault calipers or similar. Braking performance isn't going to be as high as the AP kit or the Big Reds kit, but still going to be a good improvement over a standard 302 set up. And fairly cheap too. If I was going to be using the car on a track a lot, I'm not sure I'd run with any of these options. But for the road, ideal, and blingy too.
Hope that helps a bit![/QUOTE]
Thanks Chris, though if your not going to do an in depth review don't bother :wink:
As far as I can see the B6/H&R option will work out to around £900 with the KW2's coming in at £1200
https://www.larkspeed.com/shopper/i/Q15267010
I'd have to add on fitting to that (unless someone would like some beer tokens :beer:)
My car is currently lowered around 30mm so the range of 35mm-65mm would probably see me at the lower end (35mm).
Brakes wise Ash has sent me a detailed e-mail which has all the details I need to price up the parts I would need for the V50 conversion, I could of course go AP running spacers, but would I then need to upgrade the rears ?
So many choices.....thank's to all those who have contributed so far.
Post 765730 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 17:56:44
No need to worry about the rears mate. Rears are purely for bling factor.
I haven't bothered doing the rears on my 850, yet :D:dgrin:
Post 765731 by S70T5Chris on 2015-03-28 17:57:28
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765727]Thanks Chris, though if your not going to do an in depth review don't bother :wink:
As far as I can see the B6/H&R option will work out to around £900 with the KW2's coming in at £1200
https://www.larkspeed.com/shopper/i/Q15267010
I'd have to add on fitting to that (unless someone would like some beer tokens :beer:)
My car is currently lowered around 30mm so the range of 35mm-65mm would probably see me at the lower end (35mm).
Brakes wise Ash has sent me a detailed e-mail which has all the details I need to price up the parts I would need for the V50 conversion, I could of course go AP running spacers, but would I then need to upgrade the rears ?
So many choices.....thank's to all those who have contributed so far.[/QUOTE]
You may need/want to do your top mounts while your at it.
Post 765734 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 18:03:38
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765727]As far as I can see the B6/H&R option will work out to around £900 with the KW2's coming in at £1200
https://www.larkspeed.com/shopper/i/Q15267010
[/QUOTE]
...KW3's 'only' 200 quid more...overkill I know I know
https://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=F35267010&a=i
Post 765754 by Redbrick on 2015-03-28 19:16:16
It's much easier to price these upgrades by tanks of fuel. @ roughly £80 a tank those V3's are just two and a half tanks of fuel more... it' easy to justify when you do that.
Post 765757 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 19:24:27
[QUOTE=Redbrick;765754]It's much easier to price these upgrades by tanks of fuel. @ roughly £80 a tank those V3's are just two and a half tanks of fuel more... it' easy to justify when you do that.[/QUOTE]
80 quid a tank you should be using v-power...or has fuel prices dropped so low now???
Post 765782 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-28 20:46:58
[QUOTE=Redbrick;765754]It's much easier to price these upgrades by tanks of fuel. @ roughly £80 a tank those V3's are just two and a half tanks of fuel more... it' easy to justify when you do that.[/QUOTE]
Or roughly 50 Big Mac meals.....if I didn't eat for a week or two I'd almost be there lol
Post 765787 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 20:58:17
This thread has almost convinced me to get that Gaz kit...you can buy loads of tins of waxoyl for the price difference to KW's
Or is it a Leda kit from Kalmar Union. Gaz Gold are not camber adjustable AFAIK, maybe with different top mounts. Anyway will see, thanks for a useful thread Graham
ps mcdonalds is the devil
Post 765788 by Ettienne on 2015-03-28 20:59:53
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765787]This thread has almost convinced me to get that Gaz kit...you can buy loads of tins of waxoyl for the price difference to KW's
Or is it a Leda kit from Kalmar Union. Gaz Gold are not camber adjustable AFAIK, maybe with different top mounts. Anyway will see, thanks for a useful thread Graham
ps mcdonalds is the devil[/QUOTE]
Did you not fancy the bc's
Post 765791 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 21:07:47
[QUOTE=Ettienne;765788]Did you not fancy the bc's[/QUOTE]
They look pretty good but the Gaz stuff is larger diameter so 'should' take a bit more punishment. I'm not scared of the corrosion on the tubes (quite happy to slap something like waxoyl on there...it doesn't need to look pretty). And getting stuff re-built/changing spring rates would be a lot easier with the manufacturer in the UK.
Speaking of corrosion, in my line of work (marine atmosphere), we don't mix different materials..or try not to without precautions. Won't mixing of stainless and carbon steel with the KWs cause galvanic corrosion..? Just a thought.
All this is just conjecture..think I need to put my money where my mouth is :)
Post 765795 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-28 21:29:38
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765791]Won't mixing of stainless and carbon steel with the KWs cause galvanic corrosion..? Just a thought.
[/QUOTE]
Will it what ?
On a serious note do coilovers cope with the winter weather ? I've also heard they need rebuilding every couple of years.
Post 765798 by Kingsford G on 2015-03-28 21:33:18
I know from my experience Belstein shocks are good quality and made to last therefore is a good choice.
Post 765801 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 21:46:59
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765795]Will it what ?
On a serious note do coilovers cope with the winter weather ? I've also heard they need rebuilding every couple of years.[/QUOTE]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion just trying to convince myself tbh
Keep them clean I guess, rebuild when they leak...? Those threads at the base of the springs look like they would catch dirt but most of the designs are like that
Some good comments here about protecting them from crap:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=995558
...and coilover condoms!
[QUOTE=Kingsford G;765798]I know from my experience Belstein shocks are good quality and made to last therefore is a good choice.[/QUOTE]
Agree with that they are on my Renault, but never seen any coilovers for p80 cars from them
Post 765824 by Redbrick on 2015-03-28 22:39:05
The KW's hav some coating on them and don't rust. My 855 was lifted from its bump stops when Tim Williams set it up. Everything moved freely with no problems after years of being in use.
Post 765826 by Redbrick on 2015-03-28 22:40:43
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;765757]80 quid a tank you should be using v-power...or has fuel prices dropped so low now???[/QUOTE]
Yes I only use V-Power.
Post 765828 by t5 pete on 2015-03-28 22:43:30
My coil overs all ready got them jamsey
Post 765832 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-28 22:46:25
[QUOTE=t5 pete;765828]My coil overs all ready got them jamsey
[/QUOTE]
Nice one....cable tie-ins an all. I'll see if our lass can make them, about time she got that sewing machine back out
Post 766023 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-29 20:09:06
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;765795]
On a serious note do coilovers cope with the winter weather ? I've also heard they need rebuilding every couple of years.[/QUOTE]
I was looking for information on the above - protecting coilovers in the winter. On the forums ACF-50 keeps getting mentioned but it looks too expensive for me, any water repellant should do the trick like GT85 spray or some kind of grease. Electrical tape over the threads maybe. Those covers I posted wouldn't be enough on their own but I think they would help.
Post 766052 by AcidicDavey on 2015-03-29 21:44:59
[QUOTE=AcidicDavey;765608]Suspension wise I'm running KW V2s and to be honest they're not that great, the ride is a bit bumpy. I've got iPD anti roll bars too which are maybe too stiff.
I wouldn't recommend the setup I've got! ...but then maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]
My KW V2s were brand new in November/December.
They're set quite low with 215/35/18s so I'm not helping them, probably more me to blame than the hardware plus they haven't been professionally set up quite yet.
The ride isn't that much worse than before fitting them so probably more to do with everything.
Jamesy, I'll send John Price an email, thanks.
Post 766277 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-30 21:05:25
Looks like it's going to be the H&R springs with either B6's or Koni Yellows with new top mounts etc.
Just a quickie, would the B6's be ok with the lowering springs ?
Post 766283 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-30 21:15:16
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;766277]Looks like it's going to be the H&R springs with either B6's or Koni Yellows with new top mounts etc.
Just a quickie, would the B6's be ok with the lowering springs ?[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a good choice, Graham. I was wondering the same about the B6's, think so but best to get it confirmed
I spoke to Don at Kalmar Union today...the plan was swap the FSDs for Yellows but looks like it will be the Gaz kit
Post 766285 by t5 pete on 2015-03-30 21:18:20
Gaz seem to be pretty good classic swede also has a deal with them were they do 240 coil overs
Post 766290 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-30 21:23:37
[QUOTE=t5 pete;766285]Gaz seem to be pretty good classic swede also has a deal with them were they do 240 coil overs[/QUOTE]
I saw/heard some comments about needing them re-built after a couple of years but can't say that I'm worried about it since they are made in the UK
Post 766295 by AcidicDavey on 2015-03-30 21:27:48
A friend had GAZs on his MX5 but in less than a year they were buggered but then he was using them as low and as stiff as possible!
Post 766296 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-30 21:31:44
[QUOTE=AcidicDavey;766295]A friend had GAZs on his MX5 but in less than a year they were buggered but then he was using them as low and as stiff as possible![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads up...not planning on going too low....ride height is fine now...maybe only 10-20 mm below normal R height
Post 766328 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-03-30 22:17:29
Having owned and run many suspension setups I will try to give you my honest opinion
In order of ownership
Eibach prokit springs and monroe reflex - most comfy and relaxed ride. Not sure you can get them these days. Not too expensive.
Eibach prokit and Koni FSD - bit firmer good road/track compromise. Long lasting (over 100K miles)
Eibach prokit and Bilstein B6 - owned since 2009 - firmer still - excellent track option - expensive - high quality.
BC Coilovers - BNIB not yet fitted.
Depends what you want to use the car for. If you want to bimble around to BKV events - then I would leave the coilover option alone. Koni FSD/Eibach represented a really good fast road and VFM option.
Brakes - again BBK are all well and good - but I've had compliments on track days for how well the Ferodo pads on 302mm actually arrest the car. I would like a BBK option but remain skeptical of plunging for non-standard compilation of parts due to the effect on brake balance. AP kits are OTT, expensive to maintain, rotors don't last and whilst nice to look at - are too rich for my taste.
I did want Kirsty's tested set-up but even at 800 quid - I can't justify right now.
Post 766349 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-30 22:38:41
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;766328]Having owned and run many suspension setups I will try to give you my honest opinion
In order of ownership
Eibach prokit springs and monroe reflex - most comfy and relaxed ride. Not sure you can get them these days. Not too expensive.
Eibach prokit and Koni FSD - bit firmer good road/track compromise. Long lasting (over 100K miles)
Eibach prokit and Bilstein B6 - owned since 2009 - firmer still - excellent track option - expensive - high quality.
BC Coilovers - BNIB not yet fitted.
Depends what you want to use the car for. If you want to bimble around to BKV events - then I would leave the coilover option alone. Koni FSD/Eibach represented a really good fast road and VFM option.
Brakes - again BBK are all well and good - but I've had compliments on track days for how well the Ferodo pads on 302mm actually arrest the car. I would like a BBK option but remain skeptical of plunging for non-standard compilation of parts due to the effect on brake balance. AP kits are OTT, expensive to maintain, rotors don't last and whilst nice to look at - are too rich for my taste.
I did want Kirsty's tested set-up but even at 800 quid - I can't justify right now.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Dave, what is Kirsty's set up?
I can't say I would recommend Eibach/FSDs on anything but very smooth roads when pressing on a bit
Post 766376 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-03-30 23:25:52
It wasn't Kirsty - it was Keri-WMS (I knew it was a girl-like name beginning with K)- and the thread was here...
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?40382-Affordable-4-pot-brake-kit
as usual a lot of noise but little uptake. I would have gone for it - I just can't justify it at the moment despite numerous PM conversations.
The last quote, June 2014, I had was this...
[QUOTE][COLOR=#333333]It looks like this:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]- 331.7x30, T30x (big) caliper, fits 17" Titan with NO wheel spacer (based on the test in the photos) = Est £668.46+vat (+/- 5%) including discs.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]- T30x-fit Ferodo (deep / 49mm type) DS2500 = £109.24+vat/set[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]- WMS/Earls lines = £35.39+vat/pr[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]- UK zone 1 shipping = £FREE (if using a bank transfer which saves us PayPal fees, failing that PayPal is fine and shipping is £10.00+vat!) [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]Total = £813.09+vat[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I know they clear on 7.5J comets. This is their site - http://www.wms-brakes.co.uk/
Post 766389 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-03-30 23:45:55
The other commercial option is Wilwood from the states - but I have no idea what they are like...http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=wilwood+brakes+volvo&LH_PrefLoc=2
Post 766408 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-31 09:07:54
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;766328]Having owned and run many suspension setups I will try to give you my honest opinion
In order of ownership
Eibach prokit springs and monroe reflex - most comfy and relaxed ride. Not sure you can get them these days. Not too expensive.
Eibach prokit and Koni FSD - bit firmer good road/track compromise. Long lasting (over 100K miles)
Eibach prokit and Bilstein B6 - owned since 2009 - firmer still - excellent track option - expensive - high quality.
BC Coilovers - BNIB not yet fitted.
Depends what you want to use the car for. If you want to bimble around to BKV events - then I would leave the coilover option alone. Koni FSD/Eibach represented a really good fast road and VFM option.
Brakes - again BBK are all well and good - but I've had compliments on track days for how well the Ferodo pads on 302mm actually arrest the car. I would like a BBK option but remain skeptical of plunging for non-standard compilation of parts due to the effect on brake balance. AP kits are OTT, expensive to maintain, rotors don't last and whilst nice to look at - are too rich for my taste.
I did want Kirsty's tested set-up but even at 800 quid - I can't justify right now.[/QUOTE]
Comments appreciated Dave, but I don't think Koni FSD's suit lowering springs.
Post 766409 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-31 09:14:12
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;766408]Comments appreciated Dave, but I don't think Koni FSD's suit lowering springs.[/QUOTE]
They're not bad but I'm getting torque steer and don't inspire confidence at higher speeds (with Eibachs/FSDs I mean). I've got a dash camera with GPS/G-force logging...maybe it would show up in there, pulling left & right. If they were standard I might not notice, but for a 1000 quid aftermarket product I expect better to be honest.
(Sorry Yosser...maybe my roads are worse than yours!)
Post 766412 by Ettienne on 2015-03-31 10:00:00
If you want to wait you can drive both of my sets ups back to back
B6s lesjford springs
Koni yellows eibachs
Post 766415 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-31 10:09:50
[QUOTE=Ettienne;766412]If you want to wait you can drive both of my sets ups back to back
B6s lesjford springs
Koni yellows eibachs[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a plan Steve, I'm hoping to try a few at Gaydon as well.
Post 766417 by Yosser on 2015-03-31 10:21:09
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;766409]
(Sorry Yosser...maybe my roads are worse than yours!)[/QUOTE]
No worries.
The suspension was adequate but was certainly the top of the list for future attention.
I'll be interested to see how you get on, I'd probably have gone for koni yellow or bc coilovers.
I look forward to getting this car back once you've finished it for me ;)
Post 766422 by MoleT-5R on 2015-03-31 10:49:35
Should have my FSD's fitted later this week, so you can check them out at the Shropshire meet, if you like Graham
Post 766423 by V70 Graham on 2015-03-31 10:57:29
[QUOTE=MoleT-5R;766422]Should have my FSD's fitted later this week, so you can check them out at the Shropshire meet, if you like Graham[/QUOTE]
Would be appreciated Ade.
Post 766424 by MoleT-5R on 2015-03-31 11:03:48
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;766423]Would be appreciated Ade.[/QUOTE]
I was tempted after reading this thread just to fit the fsd's with standard springs, but I'll go with the eibach's and see what I feel, as I can always swap back to standard springs if I need to.
Post 766434 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-31 12:02:48
[QUOTE=Yosser;766417]No worries.
The suspension was adequate but was certainly the top of the list for future attention.
I'll be interested to see how you get on, I'd probably have gone for koni yellow or bc coilovers.
I look forward to getting this car back once you've finished it for me ;)[/QUOTE]
:lol: it's all done to personal preference really. If the Gaz (Gold??) are no good then second choice is eibach & yellows
Post 766463 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-03-31 14:55:34
I've also had thicker IPD ARB's front & rear since 2009 and Meyle ARB droplinks in an attempt to reduce torque steer.
Post 766467 by jamesy12345 on 2015-03-31 15:27:02
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;766463]I've also had thicker IPD ARB's front & rear since 2009 and Meyle ARB droplinks in an attempt to reduce torque steer.[/QUOTE]
same here apart from front ARB, which is standard
Post 766468 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-03-31 15:49:19
and a Quaiffe LSD.
Post 766470 by Nealevo on 2015-03-31 15:54:21
I had no issues what so ever with my FSD and eibach mate, the rude was great for comfy driving, I only suggested other options as this is what I was told
Post 766471 by Ettienne on 2015-03-31 15:54:35
I'm just waiting for the ipd rose bush drop links and I have an uprated rear arb on the olive.
The irony is the gul on its b6s and Poly'd everything, meyle drop links, meyle ball joints, subframe inserts, strutbrace and lesjford springs, will never be driven.
At least it's ready for a drive should the occasion arise.
Post 767650 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-04 13:18:20
Well I'm not having much luck with the brakes, V50T5 calipers are hard to source and they come in at £320 from Volvo !!
Jamie at PFV suggested 'Black Diamond' discs and pads though I have yet to find a favourable review of these, anyone have/had them ?
Suspension wise I think it may well be the Koni Yellow/Eibach pro kit combination and have found the parts for just over £700 at Larkspeed......
Anything else to change suspension wise, top mounts/spring seats, bolts, bump stops ??
Post 767651 by S70T5Chris on 2015-04-04 13:25:56
If your running with 302's, just stick with genuine Volvo discs and pads mate.
Post 767652 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-04 13:29:59
Just had a quick look, the yellows look a right pita to fit.....drilling and cutting !!
Post 767653 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-04 13:32:32
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;767650]...
Suspension wise I think it may well be the Koni Yellow/Eibach pro kit combination and have found the parts for just over £700 at Larkspeed......
[/QUOTE]
Graham if you hold on a bit I'll have some Eibach springs spare, providing I like the Gaz kit
Post 767657 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-04 13:47:12
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;767653]Graham if you hold on a bit I'll have some Eibach springs spare, providing I like the Gaz kit[/QUOTE]
I'm holding.....gonna try a few cars at next weeks 'Gaydon' meet first.
Post 767663 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-04 14:06:44
Just a thought, can you use B6's with lowering springs ?
Post 767665 by Ettienne on 2015-04-04 14:10:39
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;767663]Just a thought, can you use B6's with lowering springs ?[/QUOTE]
Yes mine are fine, but it's usually b8s, I've got the brakes and suspension your thinking of on the gul.
Post 767666 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-04 14:13:36
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;767663]Just a thought, can you use B6's with lowering springs ?[/QUOTE]
Bilsteins here and lowered/uprated springs are mentioned - I assumed these were B6's, could be mistaken
http://kalmar-union.com/parts/volvo-850_s70_v70_c70-suspension/
//edit just noticed - the eibach springs are cheaper there also
Post 767702 by Ettienne on 2015-04-04 19:14:58
Last eibach I paid £135 for new
Ebay item 151006609886
Post 767737 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-04-04 22:30:08
I have bilsteins with eibachs....
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28554[/ATTACH]
Post 767749 by MIKESC70T5 on 2015-04-04 22:49:59
Bilsteins and h&r springs are highly rated on the M3 forums.
Post 767760 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-04 23:18:41
B6's or B8's gentlemrn ?
Post 767771 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-04-04 23:45:36
B6 - iirc
Post 767781 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-05 07:56:28
Just to throw a new one in there - anybody came across these...RSC coilovers...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28556[/ATTACH]
http://www.rscsuspensions.ch/
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28557[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28558[/ATTACH]
Post 767804 by jdavis on 2015-04-05 12:58:08
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;767781]Just to throw a new one in there - anybody came across these...RSC coilovers...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28556[/ATTACH]
http://www.rscsuspensions.ch/
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28557[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]28558[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
they look amazing. blooming pricey though
Post 767806 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-05 13:15:46
[QUOTE=jdavis;767804]they look amazing. blooming pricey though[/QUOTE]
yeah I'm reading about twin tube & mono tube trying to educate myself why they are expensive..! Mono on the left, twin on the right:
https://www.tein.co.jp/e/special/ni_toryu/
Post 767924 by AshDVS on 2015-04-06 12:15:31
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;767663]Just a thought, can you use B6's with lowering springs ?[/QUOTE]
Yes you can.
On our V70, we have H&R springs. Bilstein B6 on the rear and Ohlins up front.
Post 768007 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 08:13:41
Seeing as how a set of B6's can be had for a good price and I already have Eibach springs on the car....I've decided to go with the Bilstein's for now. This brand is on the Renault and they seem to be pretty good.
I'm not ruling coilovers out yet, but to get Gaz or RSC I would need to spend between 2 & 4 times more and I will always be wondering if the Bilsteins would have been OK. The roads around my way are rough as...no wish to spend money just to get pissed off rattling about & or more importantly drive straight on through the first bumpy corner...!
For anyone who is interested the B6's are twin-tube at the front (with gas charge) and mono-tube at the rear :)
//edit...dust covers for the front shocks are available from PFV for 12 quid although not listed.
Post 768022 by Yosser on 2015-04-07 11:46:38
If it helps any, I fitted new gaiters to the front struts last year so they should be good enough to reuse.
Post 768023 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 11:55:17
[QUOTE=Yosser;768022]If it helps any, I fitted new gaiters to the front struts last year so they should be good enough to reuse.[/QUOTE]
OK thanks fella I will take a look!
Post 768025 by Wobbly Dave on 2015-04-07 12:00:36
I spent 800 quid on a set of Bilstein B6 back in 2009.
Post 768027 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 13:02:00
[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;768025]I spent 800 quid on a set of Bilstein B6 back in 2009.[/QUOTE]
Reduced a bit now....http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_25_154_441&products_id=7697
6 years on, technology becomes cheaper I guess
Post 768028 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-07 13:02:22
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;768007]Seeing as how a set of B6's can be had for a good price and I already have Eibach springs on the car....I've decided to go with the Bilstein's for now. This brand is on the Renault and they seem to be pretty good.
I'm not ruling coilovers out yet, but to get Gaz or RSC I would need to spend between 2 & 4 times more and I will always be wondering if the Bilsteins would have been OK. The roads around my way are rough as...no wish to spend money just to get pissed off rattling about & or more importantly drive straight on through the first bumpy corner...!
For anyone who is interested the B6's are twin-tube at the front (with gas charge) and mono-tube at the rear :)
//edit...dust covers for the front shocks are available from PFV for 12 quid although not listed.[/QUOTE]
Let me know what you think of them.
Post 768030 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 13:10:26
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;768028]Let me know what you think of them.[/QUOTE]
Will do Graham, will be updating my project thread...would you like some FSDs? One careful owner (Yosser) and one numpty (moi) :)
Post 768031 by Yosser on 2015-04-07 13:17:33
Errrm.....
I bought them from Greg, so they've done the rounds a wee bit more.
Post 768032 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 13:24:45
[QUOTE=Yosser;768031]Errrm.....
I bought them from Greg, so they've done the rounds a wee bit more.[/QUOTE]
two careful owners then!! bargain price mister!
Post 768034 by V70 Graham on 2015-04-07 13:41:51
[QUOTE=jamesy12345;768032]two careful owners then!! bargain price mister![/QUOTE]
Maybe I'll pass on these low mileage, careful owner specimens lol
Post 768035 by jamesy12345 on 2015-04-07 14:01:48
[QUOTE=V70 Graham;768034]Maybe I'll pass on these low mileage, careful owner specimens lol[/QUOTE]
hope Greg doesn't read this otherwise more owners might come out!!
I'll provide an update about the Bilsteins in due course, if you could do the same Graham about whatever you try I would still be interested.
Nice thread btw very useful
Post 768855 by dob on 2015-04-16 07:00:28
Hi guys interesting thread. Do you have any updates on your set ups yet?
I have a droopy or broken front spring and will need to sort it in the very near future.
Cheers dob
