Sick Saab 9-5 2.2 tid

Post 786160 by Biff on 2015-09-19 20:40:27

Right guys I know that this isn't Volvo related but I do trust your advice. As most of you know I'm driving a 2.2tid saab 9-5. Recently I have had fuelling issues as a pipe under the car has been leaking. I replaced the metal connector with some braided fuel pipe. The car stopped leaking & all was good for the half tank of derv that was left. Whether it is connected or not I'm not sure but I was getting fault codes in relation to egr & map sensor. I cleaned both with some carb cleaner but they were in a bad state so I ordered both genuine brand new. Whilst I was waiting on the new parts I used the car as I had no elm yet on Thursday it conked out literally 3 minutes after filling it to the brim with shell nitro plus diesel. Today I've fitted the parts & tried it but failed. I've looked & I'm getting no fuel pressure at all. I might be barking up the wrong tree but is it possible that I have air in my system after my leak? Now I've filled it up to the top I guess it could of pushed the air into the system? Does this sound plausible? I've flattened the battery today trying, it did have the odd splutter as if it was going to go. I've managed to bag a electrometer tonight so will check the pump is running tomorrow. Pretty sure I can hear it. Yes I know I should've bought a v40 or v70 & I regret it now. I've not got a clue with diesels but I remember my mates 306 dti having a hand pump under the bonnet for when it ran out. Seems diesels take a bit more to start? Any help greatly appreciated.

Post 786165 by Orca2 on 2015-09-19 21:11:39

Is there a way of repriming the pump. Or an air bleed valve.

Post 786168 by Biff on 2015-09-19 21:26:38

[QUOTE=Orca2;786165]Is there a way of repriming the pump. Or an air bleed valve.[/QUOTE] No from what I've read they don't have either. They struggle with air leaking into the fuel system through corroded return lines but this is a seperate issue. Looks like my only hoping is to keep cranking & praying. I will check the pump has power first, if it does then it has to be air. Never had this kind of before but only had the golf & an old rover diesel so rather clueless as to the fuel system & I'm believing what I read on the Internet. Hmmmm

Post 786170 by jamesy12345 on 2015-09-19 21:34:29

My ford focus diesel was a £££££££ to start once air got into the system (from changing the fuel filter), hopefully cranking it will push the diesel through eventually

Post 786176 by martin_r_smith on 2015-09-19 22:09:02

The vectra with the same engine suffers real bad when air gets in the system, as jamesy says keep on cranking and it should fire eventually. Maybe try some easy start too, if it fires on that then it should pull some fuel through.

Post 786185 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-19 22:51:59

I doubt if there is air in the system as it was driving fine.They do have problems with the fuel pump.If u were closer I could check out whats going on and read the fuel pressure etc.I`m not sure if these have electric pump in the tank like 1.9d if they have then take the feed pipe off before the filter and try ignition on if ok try if the same happens after fuel filter.Read the fault codes if you can,as a crank or cam sensor could be at fault too but do the fuel pump test 1st

Post 786188 by Orca2 on 2015-09-19 23:00:13

Does it have a schrader valve on the fuel rail, if so slacken it and stick some tubing on the spigot, it will allow fuel to purge the air in the lines ,as it will keep pumping fuel to try to make up the pressure it needs , clear tubing will show the air coming through. Works on some Beemers, which are prone to this after changing fuel filter .

Post 786192 by Biff on 2015-09-20 08:13:33

No mention of crank or cam sensor, I've been caught out with that before on my Astra gte 16v. Codes relate to map & egr valve. I just think it's strange that it was fine with no codes, I filled it up & it acted as if it was out of fuel, jerking & cut out. It wouldn't bump when I was coasting & now I have 0 fuel pressure. I had no elm when it did cut out & that's what's making me doubt it's sensor related. I have a fully charged battery, an electro meter to check the pump & I will try undo the fuel pressure valve to try purge it today. Hopefully we should be sorted, if not I think it will have to go to a mechanic. On the note of the pump failure kg the car has shown no symptoms of the seals failing ie struggling to start etc. The oil is still oil with no diesel in it. It's been issue free before the pipe split/fuel leak so hoping I can get it sorted for work tomorrow. Bloody cars!! :(

Post 786227 by foammanmark on 2015-09-20 17:23:26

Hey Biff, my Saab went this afternoon, so my Volvos will see more usage now.

Post 786234 by Biff on 2015-09-20 18:35:19

[QUOTE=foammanmark;786227]Hey Biff, my Saab went this afternoon, so my Volvos will see more usage now.[/QUOTE] Hey Mark, my saab didn't go at all. Looking more & more like a pump failure & no way am I spending £900 on it. Could possibly end up in a Volvo soon!

Post 786235 by foammanmark on 2015-09-20 18:44:01

[QUOTE=Biff;786234]Hey Mark, my saab didn't go at all. Looking more & more like a pump failure & no way am I spending £900 on it. Could possibly end up in a Volvo soon![/QUOTE] Sorry to hear of your issue, but my Saab went for so little that I will not buy another one. I liked the car a lot but it broke down with various things even more than my Alfa, and that's really saying something!!

Post 786246 by The Flying Moose on 2015-09-20 19:20:32

Having recently had similar issues on a friends 1.9cdti vectra I would have suggested the fuel pump too. However if it started well everytime before then I'd have doubts over the pump being at fault. Not alot of help but agreeing with your diagnosis. Id definitely do the fuel line check though.

Post 786265 by Doingitsideways on 2015-09-20 21:03:09

Sorry to state the obvious Biff, but you have put diesel in it? Just with you saying it started shortly after filling up.

Post 786267 by Biff on 2015-09-20 21:11:35

Lol Steve I've even doubted myself but yes I put diesel in. :) Mark I know what you mean, the last few weeks it's been a total pain in the arse. I've tried allsorts today to get fuel, all in vain. It's now been towed to my man who can. He's currently scratching his head & arse but I have faith in him & his diagnosis. Pump is £900. Programming it to my ecu via tech 2 is £200. I wonder how much it's worth in bits. Lol

Post 786271 by Biff on 2015-09-20 21:17:04

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;786185]I doubt if there is air in the system as it was driving fine.They do have problems with the fuel pump.If u were closer I could check out whats going on and read the fuel pressure etc.I`m not sure if these have electric pump in the tank like 1.9d if they have then take the feed pipe off before the filter and try ignition on if ok try if the same happens after fuel filter.Read the fault codes if you can,as a crank or cam sensor could be at fault too but do the fuel pump test 1st[/QUOTE] They do have a priming pump, it works with 12v up its hoop. I managed to get 20 seconds of it running & hours looking for a fuel pump relay. If it has one I can't find it. As per the pump on the engine, I can't get anything out of that with it being a sealed unit. My man has a diagnostic probe though so sure he will try it. I ran out of time & patience with it today but I refrained from giving it a good thrashing.

Post 786683 by Biff on 2015-09-24 13:29:18

Still stood scratching head & arse... Thinking its the end for the saab myself. Anyone got a t5 lpg they want to sell?

Post 786686 by Ettienne on 2015-09-24 14:02:01

[QUOTE=Biff;786683]Still stood scratching head & arse... Thinking its the end for the saab myself. Anyone got a t5 lpg they want to sell?[/QUOTE] God I saw one recently, can't remember where, if it pops into my head I'll let you know

Post 786688 by Ettienne on 2015-09-24 14:06:33

There's that lpg s70r on eBay saffron but someone said it was a bit iffy

Post 786702 by mike 850 on 2015-09-24 16:13:55

try undoing the injector pipes and crank it, a friend had a tdci ford that ran out of fuel and wouldn't start again, went through 2 full batterys cranking with nothing, loosened the injector pipe and cranked for a min or so until he saw fuel, tightened them up and worked fine ever since.... worth a try if you haven't already>

Post 786708 by craigoodwood on 2015-09-24 17:04:58

[QUOTE=Biff;786234]Could possibly end up in a Volvo soon![/QUOTE] :bud: find a half decent transporter for me an you can have mine :beer:

Post 786770 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-25 00:31:46

There is an s60 auto down here mate if any good,keep looking at it myself but gonna stick with the merc for now.

Post 787003 by Biff on 2015-09-28 10:53:15

Update on the gm piece of poo. After working all day Saturday draining fuel tanks inspecting fuel, checking for dodgy air leaks we decided to tie it to the back of my mates td5 discovery & take it for a few laps of our industrial estate. About 15 laps later of failing to start it threw up an elm light finally..... p0149 fuel timing error & p0607 control modual performance. I have spent too much time & thrown too much money at this piece of crap for long enough, I will not be spending another penny on it. What its fate will be I'm unsure, what it will be replaced with I don't know but I need to earn some money first. I quite fancy a V40 tdi or who knows... Moral of the story, don't buy GM!

Post 787004 by Biff on 2015-09-28 10:54:29

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;786770]There is an s60 auto down here mate if any good,keep looking at it myself but gonna stick with the merc for now.[/QUOTE] What merc you driving dude? I wont entertain an auto but thanks!

Post 787007 by smithy on 2015-09-28 13:30:39

Sorry to here ur probs mate .ive had the 40 series for 6 yrs now and have to say I've never had a problem with them and they are good on fuel too .but mine have both been petrol one was a 1.8 s40 for 4.5yrs and the second one a 2.0t v40 .dont get a gbi in the 40 series they are poo.

Post 787009 by Biff on 2015-09-28 15:02:53

[QUOTE=smithy;787007]Sorry to here ur probs mate .ive had the 40 series for 6 yrs now and have to say I've never had a problem with them and they are good on fuel too .but mine have both been petrol one was a 1.8 s40 for 4.5yrs and the second one a 2.0t v40 .dont get a gbi in the 40 series they are poo.[/QUOTE] Cheers mate, the pump is jut too much money to spend on the saab. I'm looking at 1.9tdi v40's between an 01-04. Would these have a gbi engine? I say looking, it will be another month or so before I can afford anything half decent depending on how much I can make off breaking the saab. Doubt it will be much tbh. Wishing I'd bought the d5 I went to see now. Should'v listened to my heart not my head. lol

Post 787010 by Blackdog on 2015-09-28 16:57:21

Is it worth getting your pump rebuilt? Looks like ECU Testing will do it for £250.

Post 787018 by jamesy12345 on 2015-09-28 19:41:43

Sorry to hear you are having trouble fella There'll be a VOlvo 480 ready here soon you can use while I'm away :) doubt it will be reliable or do decent mpg tho!!

Post 787022 by nottsgreent5 on 2015-09-28 20:08:08

[QUOTE=Biff;787009]Cheers mate, the pump is jut too much money to spend on the saab. I'm looking at 1.9tdi v40's between an 01-04. Would these have a gbi engine? I say looking, it will be another month or so before I can afford anything half decent depending on how much I can make off breaking the saab. Doubt it will be much tbh. Wishing I'd bought the d5 I went to see now. Should'v listened to my heart not my head. lol[/QUOTE] There cracking cars the facelifts are even nicer my sisters got a sport lux tdi with arcadias very nice cars if you buy a decent one mpg wise from memory hers does around 60mpg+ on a run

Post 787053 by The Flying Moose on 2015-09-29 01:47:42

On the v40 Tdi front I have to agree with nottsgreen. I had an 52 plate sport lux and it sipped the fuel, was comfy and reliable. I put 20k on in five months and sold it on 250k still going strong. They hold good residual value too.

Post 787060 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-29 08:43:59

[QUOTE=Biff;787004]What merc you driving dude? I wont entertain an auto but thanks![/QUOTE] Its a 2005 E320cdi mate,with a remap goes faster than a remapped t5,u can get a 220 and 270 in manual.I prefer autos at the moment.V40`s are affordable cars,renault engines which usually not bad at all.

Post 787062 by Doingitsideways on 2015-09-29 09:37:15

Gutted for you, Biff :( Have to agree with above, X40s are cracking cars. They go well, handle reasonably and seem to last. Just the rear arches seem to let go first, same as the 400s before them. Must be those crazy Dutch stoners gettng high on the underseal! Oh, GDi = Gasoline Direct Injection. Obviously not a problem on the diesels, and only on the 1.8 petrol I think.

Post 787065 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-29 10:35:30

[QUOTE=Doingitsideways;787062]Gutted for you, Biff :( Have to agree with above, X40s are cracking cars. They go well, handle reasonably and seem to last. Just the rear arches seem to let go first, same as the 400s before them. Must be those crazy Dutch stoners gettng high on the underseal! Oh, GDi = Gasoline Direct Injection. Obviously not a problem on the diesels, and only on the 1.8 petrol I think.[/QUOTE] My T4 was handling better than any T5 I had tbh both stock so if its a diesel with a lowering springs should be handling just the same.Very good on fuel too.I live the V40 shape rather than S40.

Post 787077 by Biff on 2015-09-29 12:20:09

Cheers Kg, the merc sounds lovely, Gav has planted a seed that one day I may end up with one myself. Cracking motors. As per getting the pump rebuilt, I'm looking at at least £250 for a pump, £200 for programming, I need a fair few O-rings & gaskets from the high pressure lines as well as rear brakes, front tyres etc etc. The wear and tear parts weren't a problem when it was working as I was planning them in as I went along. Spending all that money on top of what I have paid out & time spent on it so far its just not worth it as I have no confidence it will be 100% once a new pump is fitted. Given the state of the fuel system I'd say its had unleaded in it at some point as a lot of seals have perished etc. Its a risk to consider it when the working car is worth £1000-£1500. The car has already started to be broken with the wheels, interior & lights already sold & my financial advisor (the wife) has informed me we have a bit in the off shore account so maybe car shopping this weekend. :) Keep an eye out for me boys, doesn't have to be an estate but does have to be diesel. thanks guys, hoping for a new Volvo in my possession soon. ;)

Post 787099 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-29 17:11:23

[QUOTE=Biff;787077]Cheers Kg, the merc sounds lovely, Gav has planted a seed that one day I may end up with one myself. Cracking motors. As per getting the pump rebuilt, I'm looking at at least £250 for a pump, £200 for programming, I need a fair few O-rings & gaskets from the high pressure lines as well as rear brakes, front tyres etc etc. The wear and tear parts weren't a problem when it was working as I was planning them in as I went along. Spending all that money on top of what I have paid out & time spent on it so far its just not worth it as I have no confidence it will be 100% once a new pump is fitted. Given the state of the fuel system I'd say its had unleaded in it at some point as a lot of seals have perished etc. Its a risk to consider it when the working car is worth £1000-£1500. The car has already started to be broken with the wheels, interior & lights already sold & my financial advisor (the wife) has informed me we have a bit in the off shore account so maybe car shopping this weekend. :) Keep an eye out for me boys, doesn't have to be an estate but does have to be diesel. thanks guys, hoping for a new Volvo in my possession soon. ;)[/QUOTE] Good decision mate.Best of luck,will let u know if I find anything.I`m looking out for BMW 530D or 535D,very fast tho not as reliable as pre facelift W211 merc.

Post 787110 by Biff on 2015-09-29 19:58:59

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;787099]Good decision mate.Best of luck,will let u know if I find anything.I`m looking out for BMW 530D or 535D,very fast tho not as reliable as pre facelift W211 merc.[/QUOTE] Lad I worked with had a mapped 535d & it totally spanked me in my ep3 type r. Well impressed! It was trouble with the injection system if I remember rightly.

Post 787116 by merc85 on 2015-09-29 20:13:16

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;787060]Its a 2005 E320cdi mate,with a remap goes faster than a remapped t5,u can get a 220 and 270 in manual.I prefer autos at the moment.V40`s are affordable cars,renault engines which usually not bad at all.[/QUOTE] 15.2 @ 90 at North weald, if it helps ;)

Post 787117 by merc85 on 2015-09-29 20:17:44

Post 787119 by Ettienne on 2015-09-29 20:25:02

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;787099]Good decision mate.Best of luck,will let u know if I find anything.I`m looking out for BMW 530D or 535D,very fast tho not as reliable as pre facelift W211 merc.[/QUOTE] Speaking with Shem recently, he says they like to eat turbos in general but especially if tuned. Fast though for a diesel and they get the dreaded Bmw auto box issues, however the 530d can come as a manual

Post 787139 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-30 00:54:55

[QUOTE=merc85;787117][video=youtube;bPyrtIHqTuI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPyrtIHqTuI[/video][/QUOTE] That was the facelift V6 320cdi mate which I`d avoid for the known issues and currently have a customers one in with plenty or problems.I`d rather stick to my I6 tractor engine.Not sure if I`ll find another one with the same low miles if I sell it.

Post 787140 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-30 00:57:34

[QUOTE=Ettienne;787119]Speaking with Shem recently, he says they like to eat turbos in general but especially if tuned. Fast though for a diesel and they get the dreaded Bmw auto box issues, however the 530d can come as a manual[/QUOTE] I know people with a remapped 530 and 535D who thrush them as well and no turbo fail just yet and the gearboxes are good too,u can get manual 530 but not 535d tho.

Post 787226 by LiamT4 on 2015-09-30 20:47:41

[QUOTE=merc85;787116]15.2 @ 90 at North weald, if it helps ;)[/QUOTE] I thought it would be quicker than that. No wonder my 540 used to do standard ones easily. [QUOTE=Ettienne;787119]Speaking with Shem recently, he says they like to eat turbos in general but especially if tuned. Fast though for a diesel and they get the dreaded Bmw auto box issues, however the 530d can come as a manual[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kingsford G;787140]I know people with a remapped 530 and 535D who thrush them as well and no turbo fail just yet and the gearboxes are good too,u can get manual 530 but not 535d tho.[/QUOTE] My bmw garage has only had two 535ds with gearbox issues that they can remember. One was mapped and driven by a muppet, the other had 250k miles on it. Very few issues with turbos as well. Will last 200k if its been looked after.

Post 787238 by Kingsford G on 2015-09-30 22:34:43

[video=youtube;Nx12WpryXJ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx12WpryXJ0[/video]

Post 787243 by Ettienne on 2015-09-30 22:50:55

[QUOTE=LiamT4;787226]I thought it would be quicker than that. No wonder my 540 used to do standard ones easily. My bmw garage has only had two 535ds with gearbox issues that they can remember. One was mapped and driven by a muppet, the other had 250k miles on it. Very few issues with turbos as well. Will last 200k if its been looked after.[/QUOTE] We were talking ref mapping as well, but always good to hear that a positive experiences, I had seen a few buying guides with same turbo / gearbox concerns and urban mpg. However if I had a diesel it would be the one I'd go for, for performance, YouTube has one going 186mph I'm guessing that why you see a lot of police patrol 335 /535 diesels

Post 787270 by merc85 on 2015-10-01 08:21:58

[QUOTE=LiamT4;787226]I thought it would be quicker than that. No wonder my 540 used to do standard ones easily.[/QUOTE] lol i recon it did standard they are only 204hp, mine had no issues at all in Germany easily keeping with 635d's on the Autobahn's the power really come through 80mph plus starts dying off at 140mph and 662miles on a tank at a "average" speed of 64mph cant complain, all on 1 tank of fuel too, Eats 540's all day long i did struggle with a Golf R tho at 140mph lol

Post 787275 by Kingsford G on 2015-10-01 10:29:03

I have to say even a launch is very impressive on Mercs,the down side against a BMW is the gearbox response a bit slower where BMW is pretty much instant but Mercs(prefacelift anyway) have less headache with electronics.

Post 787332 by LiamT4 on 2015-10-01 19:59:49

[QUOTE=merc85;787270] Eats 540's all day long i did struggle with a Golf R tho at 140mph lol[/QUOTE] Thats strange, because a standard e39 540 auto does the 1/4mile in 14.4@100mph. Which also meant that it managed 100mph in 0.8 seconds less than it took your merc to do 90mph.

Post 787337 by LiamT4 on 2015-10-01 20:10:08

[QUOTE=Ettienne;787243]We were talking ref mapping as well, but always good to hear that a positive experiences, I had seen a few buying guides with same turbo / gearbox concerns and urban mpg. However if I had a diesel it would be the one I'd go for, for performance, YouTube has one going 186mph I'm guessing that why you see a lot of police patrol 335 /535 diesels[/QUOTE] Yep, they do point out these issues, and so they should. If they did go wrong they are very expensive to fix. These big power twin turbo diesels need to be looked at like the performance cars they are, and looked after accordingly. If you had a mapped 535d, and didn't service it properly, thrashed it from cold, power starts etc, then i have no doubt it would go wrong quicker that a normal 2 or 3 litre diesel. After all, it is a higher strung engine producing a lot of torque. And they don't have particular good mpg on short journeys and they're not amazing when it comes to long journeys either, but they are better than the equivalent powered petrol engines on fuel.

Post 787339 by Ettienne on 2015-10-01 20:21:17

[QUOTE=LiamT4;787332]Thats strange, because a standard e39 540 auto does the 1/4mile in 14.4@100mph. Which also meant that it managed 100mph in 0.8 seconds less than it took your merc to do 90mph.[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a 335d in the 12s at one 1/4 event, I'm not a diesel or a Bmw fan but they pretty good by any standard. I'm sure someone will remember I believe it was the fastest car on the day.

Post 787345 by LiamT4 on 2015-10-01 20:52:45

[QUOTE=Ettienne;787339]Wasn't there a 335d in the 12s at one 1/4 event, I'm not a diesel or a Bmw fan but they pretty good by any standard. I'm sure someone will remember I believe it was the fastest car on the day.[/QUOTE] I've seen a mapped 335d touring do 13.5@112mph and he was having trouble with launching. Think it was a "10" plate. 12s is very good going for one though, i'd of thought it would take more than a map to manage that. Not impossible though, sticky tyres and a great launch and who knows.